MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Aclion]

That doesn't make us responsible, and neither does that mean we could have held them forever. Turkey has absolutely no regards in terms of their alliance and they know they could just switch sides to Russia and what a blow that would be for us. Believe it or not, we aren't the center of the world and if nations really want to do something, they can.

It absolutely makes Trump responsible when the US military presence in the region was an active deterrence to Erdogan's planned invasion. Multiple parties and individuals can bear responsibility for bad things happening, champ; the Turkish military would be directly responsible for committing atrocities, and Trump would be indirectly responsible for removing the one and only safeguard that was openly preventing those atrocities.

By that reasoning isn't Obama responsible for ISIS?

[Militant Costco]

That doesn't make us responsible, and neither does that mean we could have held them forever. Turkey has absolutely no regards in terms of their alliance and they know they could just switch sides to Russia and what a blow that would be for us. Believe it or not, we aren't the center of the world and if nations really want to do something, they can.

It absolutely makes Trump responsible when the US military presence in the region was an active deterrence to Erdogan's planned invasion. Multiple parties and individuals can bear responsibility for bad things happening, champ; the Turkish military would be directly responsible for committing atrocities, and Trump would be indirectly responsible for removing the one and only safeguard that was openly preventing those atrocities.

Active? Did I not just point out they fly-by Greek airspace monthly with armed fighter jets? While threatening to blow them up? While being in an alliance with them?

If push came to shove, and they started firing, they would avoid American troops entirely for as long as they can and both Trump and his military advisers would recommend to pull our troops out to avoid escalation. You're mistaking our presence in Kurdistan as being a deterrent against Turkey, when in reality it was against ISIS and other groups in Syria. It was never our mission to protect Kurdistan, it was only beneficial for Turkey to not constantly bomb our allies.

[Loben The 2nd]

It absolutely makes Trump responsible when the US military presence in the region was an active deterrence to Erdogan's planned invasion. Multiple parties and individuals can bear responsibility for bad things happening, champ; the Turkish military would be directly responsible for committing atrocities, and Trump would be indirectly responsible for removing the one and only safeguard that was openly preventing those atrocities.

So do the Democrats have a new reason to impeach Donnie Trump on?

i dont quite think that can be one of them.

[Gormwood]

It absolutely makes Trump responsible when the US military presence in the region was an active deterrence to Erdogan's planned invasion. Multiple parties and individuals can bear responsibility for bad things happening, champ; the Turkish military would be directly responsible for committing atrocities, and Trump would be indirectly responsible for removing the one and only safeguard that was openly preventing those atrocities.

So do the Democrats have a new reason to impeach Donnie Trump on?

Trump could be recorded committing actual treason and you'd still mindlessly declare the Democrats are being partisan impeaching him.

[Gormwood]

It absolutely makes Trump responsible when the US military presence in the region was an active deterrence to Erdogan's planned invasion. Multiple parties and individuals can bear responsibility for bad things happening, champ; the Turkish military would be directly responsible for committing atrocities, and Trump would be indirectly responsible for removing the one and only safeguard that was openly preventing those atrocities.

By that reasoning isn't Obama responsible for ISIS?

Today I learned Obama was the one who actually drafted the pullout agreement W. Bush signed with Iraq.

[Loben The 2nd]

By that reasoning isn't Obama responsible for ISIS?

Today I learned Obama was the one who actually drafted the pullout agreement W. Bush signed with Iraq.

tbf he *did* abide by it.

[Miami Shores]

So do the Democrats have a new reason to impeach Donnie Trump on?

Trump could be recorded committing actual treason and you'd still mindlessly declare the Democrats are being partisan impeaching him.

Well Donnie has not committed any treason or impeachable offense worth impeaching Donnie for lol, as for partisan bias on the Democrats part that is called politics during an election season lol. They want to weaken Trump politically as much as they can, ain't that obvious?

[Militant Costco]

Today I learned Obama was the one who actually drafted the pullout agreement W. Bush signed with Iraq.

tbf he *did* abide by it.

My statement about inaction goes both ways. Trump isn't responsible for Turkey and Obama isn't responsible for ISIS. Obama would eventually lead a U.S. coalition against ISIS as well.

[Militant Costco]

Trump could be recorded committing actual treason and you'd still mindlessly declare the Democrats are being partisan impeaching him.

Well Donnie has not committed any treason or impeachable offense worth impeaching Donnie for lol, as for partisan bias on the Democrats part that is called politics during an election season lol. They want to weaken Trump politically as much as they can, ain't that obvious?

The GOP impeached Clinton over lying about sex so tbf anything goes.

[Miami Shores]

Well Donnie has not committed any treason or impeachable offense worth impeaching Donnie for lol, as for partisan bias on the Democrats part that is called politics during an election season lol. They want to weaken Trump politically as much as they can, ain't that obvious?

The GOP impeached Clinton over lying about sex so tbf anything goes.

I have stated many times, it was wrong, dumb and stupid for my fellow Republicans to try to impeach President Bill Clinton. "so tbf anything goes" can be read as I keep saying this impeachment drive by the Democrats against Donnie is political, lets stop denying that it is not political. I have tried hard to get a good poll on this thread without success. I think all General and RP threads should have a good poll, it is on my sig.

[Torrocca]

It absolutely makes Trump responsible when the US military presence in the region was an active deterrence to Erdogan's planned invasion. Multiple parties and individuals can bear responsibility for bad things happening, champ; the Turkish military would be directly responsible for committing atrocities, and Trump would be indirectly responsible for removing the one and only safeguard that was openly preventing those atrocities.

By that reasoning isn't Obama responsible for ISIS?

I don't know why you'd possibly think I'd say no when pulling out of Iraq directly led to ISIS rising to power.

Shockingly enough, I'm not gonna play bat for a Neolib who caused bad shit to happen.

It absolutely makes Trump responsible when the US military presence in the region was an active deterrence to Erdogan's planned invasion. Multiple parties and individuals can bear responsibility for bad things happening, champ; the Turkish military would be directly responsible for committing atrocities, and Trump would be indirectly responsible for removing the one and only safeguard that was openly preventing those atrocities.

Active? Did I not just point out they fly-by Greek airspace monthly with armed fighter jets? While threatening to blow them up? While being in an alliance with them?

If push came to shove, and they started firing, they would avoid American troops entirely for as long as they can and both Trump and his military advisers would recommend to pull our troops out to avoid escalation. You're mistaking our presence in Kurdistan as being a deterrent against Turkey, when in reality it was against ISIS and other groups in Syria. It was never our mission to protect Kurdistan, it was only beneficial for Turkey to not constantly bomb our allies.

The thing is is that push came to shove and they stayed on their side of the Syrian-Turkey border right up until US troops were withdrawn. They were not going to invade Syria so long as US troops were there, and the months of them sitting idly despite having plans for an invasion prove that.

[San Lumen]

The GOP impeached Clinton over lying about sex so tbf anything goes.

I have stated many times, it was wrong, dumb and stupid for my fellow Republicans to try to impeach President Bill Clinton. "so tbf anything goes" can be read as I keep saying this impeachment drive by the Democrats against Donnie is political, I have tried hard to get a good poll on this thread without success. I think all General and RP threads should have a good poll, it is on my sig.

Calling on foreign countries to investigate your opponents isn’t impeccable? It’s against the law to solicit such help. Let me put this in a way maybe you can understand. Let’s pretend I’m Governor of New York and your my likely republican opponent in the next election. It would be perfectly acceptable for me to publicly call for the district attorney of your home county or state attorney general to investigate you?

[Militant Costco]

By that reasoning isn't Obama responsible for ISIS?

I don't know why you'd possibly think I'd say no when pulling out of Iraq directly led to ISIS rising to power.

Shockingly enough, I'm not gonna play bat for a Neolib who caused bad shit to happen.

Active? Did I not just point out they fly-by Greek airspace monthly with armed fighter jets? While threatening to blow them up? While being in an alliance with them?

If push came to shove, and they started firing, they would avoid American troops entirely for as long as they can and both Trump and his military advisers would recommend to pull our troops out to avoid escalation. You're mistaking our presence in Kurdistan as being a deterrent against Turkey, when in reality it was against ISIS and other groups in Syria. It was never our mission to protect Kurdistan, it was only beneficial for Turkey to not constantly bomb our allies.

The thing is is that push came to shove and they stayed on their side of the Syrian-Turkey border right up until US troops were withdrawn. They were not going to invade Syria so long as US troops were there, and the months of them sitting idly despite having plans for an invasion prove that.

I assume you have a belief Turkey was going to pull a 1941 Japan and attack U.S. troops. I'm not going to say whether you are right or wrong because the situation for that never occurred, but I will say it's almost impossible. They've been making incursions into Kurdish territory for years and only avoid directly attacking U.S-Kurdish settlements. There is not enough American troops to cover every Kurdish village and we sure as hell won't send our troops right into the front lines to fight a previous ally. Any attack by Turkey would have been small scale incursions, possible razing, and avoid any American troop, and we would have pulled back and possibly just limit ourselves to air dropping supplies to the Kurds. Turkey sat idling not because they were blocked, but because they were preparing. There never needed to be a war, Turkey knew the U.S. had very little to cling on to with Kurdistan.

[Torrocca]

I don't know why you'd possibly think I'd say no when pulling out of Iraq directly led to ISIS rising to power.

Shockingly enough, I'm not gonna play bat for a Neolib who caused bad shit to happen.



The thing is is that push came to shove and they stayed on their side of the Syrian-Turkey border right up until US troops were withdrawn. They were not going to invade Syria so long as US troops were there, and the months of them sitting idly despite having plans for an invasion prove that.

I assume you have a belief Turkey was going to pull a 1941 Japan and attack U.S. troops.

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm saying that Turkey wasn't going to do any major jack shit regarding Northern Syria so long as the US had a presence there.

I'm not going to say whether you are right or wrong because the situation for that never occurred, but I will say it's almost impossible. They've been making incursions into Kurdish territory for years and only avoid directly attacking U.S-Kurdish settlements. There is not enough American troops to cover every Kurdish village and we sure as hell won't send our troops right into the front lines to fight a previous ally. Any attack by Turkey would have been small scale incursions, possible razing, and avoid any American troop, and we would have pulled back and possibly just limit ourselves to air dropping supplies to the Kurds. Turkey sat idling not because they were blocked, but because they were preparing. There never needed to be a war, Turkey knew the U.S. had very little to cling on to with Kurdistan.

Yes, they have been making incursions. Small scale incursions and nothing more, because the US presence in Northern Syria was an active deterrence to anything major. A larger presence could've stopped that entirely. Instead, the fuckface in charge made the stupid decision of withdrawing whatever presence we had, and Erdogan immediately jumped the gun and started attacking the Kurds.

[Loben The 2nd]

i have yet to hear a reasonable argument that Americans should be wading into a decades long conflict anyway.

and or why they should be dying for a unrecognized nation that no one in the region wants.

[Militant Costco]

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm saying that Turkey wasn't going to do any major jack shit regarding Northern Syria so long as the US had a presence there.

And I'm saying if you don't think Turkey would attack Kurdistan because U.S. troops are there, that means you believe Turkey would have to attack U.S. troops directly to take Kurdistan and that the U.S. would return fire. Otherwise, it's called a bluff, which is what I've been saying for about two hours now ffs.

Yes, they have been making incursions. Small scale incursions and nothing more, because the US presence in Northern Syria was an active deterrence to anything major. A larger presence could've stopped that entirely. Instead, the fuckface in charge made the stupid decision of withdrawing whatever presence we had, and Erdogan immediately jumped the gun and started attacking the Kurds.

Again, you are implying that Turkey would be so far up their ass they would charge with multiple divisions at American territory to capture Kurdistan. And you are not realizing that Kurdistan is sparsely populated and American troops are even sparser and Turkey was simply gobbling up what was low-risk, low-intensity, battles. And I'm not even going into details about how stupid it would be for either Turkey to commit to mass-attacks or for American's to counter a few Turkish patrols, much less pull a Call of Duty and hold out against a massive wave of Turks if Turkey was that stupid.

[Neutraligon]

What the fuck are you talking about? I'm saying that Turkey wasn't going to do any major jack shit regarding Northern Syria so long as the US had a presence there.

And I'm saying if you don't think Turkey would attack Kurdistan because U.S. troops are there, that means you believe Turkey would have to attack U.S. troops directly to take Kurdistan and that the U.S. would return fire. Otherwise, it's called a bluff, which is what I've been saying for about two hours now ffs.

Yes, they have been making incursions. Small scale incursions and nothing more, because the US presence in Northern Syria was an active deterrence to anything major. A larger presence could've stopped that entirely. Instead, the fuckface in charge made the stupid decision of withdrawing whatever presence we had, and Erdogan immediately jumped the gun and started attacking the Kurds.

Again, you are implying that Turkey would be so far up their ass they would charge with multiple divisions at American territory to capture Kurdistan. And you are not realizing that Kurdistan is sparsely populated and American troops are even sparser and Turkey was simply gobbling up what was low-risk, low-intensity, battles. And I'm not even going into details about how stupid it would be for either Turkey to commit to mass-attacks or for American's to counter a few Turkish patrols, much less pull a Call of Duty and hold out against a massive wave of Turks if Turkey was that stupid.

We have been involved, hence the withdrawing troops. Have there been American deaths there?

[The Black Forrest]

The GOP impeached Clinton over lying about sex so tbf anything goes.

I have stated many times, it was wrong, dumb and stupid for my fellow Republicans to try to impeach President Bill Clinton. "so tbf anything goes" can be read as I keep saying this impeachment drive by the Democrats against Donnie is political, lets stop denying that it is not political. I have tried hard to get a good poll on this thread without success. I think all General and RP threads should have a good poll, it is on my sig.

It being political is irrelevant. Well....unless of course you think your boy hasn’t done anything wrong.

[Torrocca]

Yes, they have been making incursions. Small scale incursions and nothing more, because the US presence in Northern Syria was an active deterrence to anything major. A larger presence could've stopped that entirely. Instead, the fuckface in charge made the stupid decision of withdrawing whatever presence we had, and Erdogan immediately jumped the gun and started attacking the Kurds.

Again, you are implying that Turkey would be so far up their ass they would charge with multiple divisions at American territory to capture Kurdistan.

I'm cutting out the rest because this single sentence of yours basically sums up your argument. How the hell are you actually misinterpreting what I'm saying this hard? My whole fucking point is that Erdogan did not want to escalate a situation with the US; more US troops being present would mean the Turkish military would be deterred from doing even the small-scale bullshit it was doing. That's the whole fucking point I'm making, that they wouldn't fight the fucking US troops in the first place.

[Militant Costco]

And I'm saying if you don't think Turkey would attack Kurdistan because U.S. troops are there, that means you believe Turkey would have to attack U.S. troops directly to take Kurdistan and that the U.S. would return fire. Otherwise, it's called a bluff, which is what I've been saying for about two hours now ffs.


Again, you are implying that Turkey would be so far up their ass they would charge with multiple divisions at American territory to capture Kurdistan. And you are not realizing that Kurdistan is sparsely populated and American troops are even sparser and Turkey was simply gobbling up what was low-risk, low-intensity, battles. And I'm not even going into details about how stupid it would be for either Turkey to commit to mass-attacks or for American's to counter a few Turkish patrols, much less pull a Call of Duty and hold out against a massive wave of Turks if Turkey was that stupid.

We have been involved, hence the withdrawing troops. Have there been American deaths there?

Give me a link showing where Turkey attacked American troops holding out on Kurdish territory. This wouldn't change my very low opinion on Turkey nor my point but I would find the article interesting.

[Neutraligon]

We have been involved, hence the withdrawing troops. Have there been American deaths there?

Give me a link showing where Turkey attacked American troops holding out on Kurdish territory. This wouldn't change my very low opinion on Turkey nor my point but I would find the article interesting.

Sorry I somehow responded to the wrong person, I intended to reply to Loben

[The Emerald Legion]

I have stated many times, it was wrong, dumb and stupid for my fellow Republicans to try to impeach President Bill Clinton. "so tbf anything goes" can be read as I keep saying this impeachment drive by the Democrats against Donnie is political, I have tried hard to get a good poll on this thread without success. I think all General and RP threads should have a good poll, it is on my sig.

Calling on foreign countries to investigate your opponents isn’t impeccable? It’s against the law to solicit such help. Let me put this in a way maybe you can understand. Let’s pretend I’m Governor of New York and your my likely republican opponent in the next election. It would be perfectly acceptable for me to publicly call for the district attorney of your home county or state attorney general to investigate you?

So what you're saying is that everyone who backed the Russia investigation and Mueller probe should be barred from ever sitting in office again?

Because seriously, it's one or the other. Either the Mueller probe, a massive multimillion dollar waste of the taxpayers money in order to dig up dirt on Trump is ok, in which case so is this.

OR it's not, in which case you might as well just nuke the entire democratic party from orbit. Not to mention the bullshit with regards to new york state trying to fuck him over for daring to win an election.

[Gormwood]

Calling on foreign countries to investigate your opponents isn’t impeccable? It’s against the law to solicit such help. Let me put this in a way maybe you can understand. Let’s pretend I’m Governor of New York and your my likely republican opponent in the next election. It would be perfectly acceptable for me to publicly call for the district attorney of your home county or state attorney general to investigate you?

So what you're saying is that everyone who backed the Russia investigation and Mueller probe should be barred from ever sitting in office again?

Because seriously, it's one or the other. Either the Mueller probe, a massive multimillion dollar waste of the taxpayers money in order to dig up dirt on Trump is ok, in which case so is this.

OR it's not, in which case you might as well just nuke the entire democratic party from orbit. Not to mention the bullshit with regards to new york state trying to fuck him over for daring to win an election.

The Mueller Probe was about digging up campaign dirt on Trump now? I don't recall anyone in Donny's tiny inner circle mentioning how they would prosecute Biden and Son if actual dirt was found on them.

[Militant Costco]

Again, you are implying that Turkey would be so far up their ass they would charge with multiple divisions at American territory to capture Kurdistan.

I'm cutting out the rest because this single sentence of yours basically sums up your argument. How the hell are you actually misinterpreting what I'm saying this hard? My whole fucking point is that Erdogan did not want to escalate a situation with the US; more US troops being present would mean the Turkish military would be deterred from doing even the small-scale bullshit it was doing. That's the whole fucking point I'm making, that they wouldn't fight the fucking US troops in the first place.

1. Add more troops to Kurdistan. You think Turkey is not only stupid, but blind? They would clearly see that move and be pushed further to Russia, which would break the whole point of us trying to stop them since we sure as hell aren't going to fight Russia, or an American AND Russian-equipped military.
2. My point is they didn't and don't have to, unless America significantly increased U.S. troop deployment, which would lead to number 1, Turkey only would have to drive around U.S. troops, and we wouldn't fight a western-equipped army with such low numbers.
3. This is what is called as "calling a bluff", Turkey knows the U.S. wouldn't want to deploy more troops, and it knows it doesn't want a conflict. Yes, if we have deployed more troops (which you never stated before), then maybe our bluff would have been credible. But that never happened and I have heard nothing from the JCS that called for such things, so I don't know where in the fuck you are getting these ideas.

God I'm tired of this shit.

[The Black Forrest]

Calling on foreign countries to investigate your opponents isn’t impeccable? It’s against the law to solicit such help. Let me put this in a way maybe you can understand. Let’s pretend I’m Governor of New York and your my likely republican opponent in the next election. It would be perfectly acceptable for me to publicly call for the district attorney of your home county or state attorney general to investigate you?

So what you're saying is that everyone who backed the Russia investigation and Mueller probe should be barred from ever sitting in office again?

Because seriously, it's one or the other. Either the Mueller probe, a massive multimillion dollar waste of the taxpayers money in order to dig up dirt on Trump is ok, in which case so is this.

OR it's not, in which case you might as well just nuke the entire democratic party from orbit. Not to mention the bullshit with regards to new york state trying to fuck him over for daring to win an election.

So edgy I cut myself.

Have you read the Mueller report? Sorry donnie declaring it fraud/witchhunt/whatever hardly invalidates it.

Even on that front; how many bengazi investigations have their been?

You really have to present some “real” proof before you wag your finger and cry waste of money.....