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Postby Nakena » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:23 pm

Duhon wrote:
Nakena wrote:
I doubt that the suffering on this world has been much increased or decreased through the actions of Donald Trump. Some of his predecessors have an argueably worse record in this regard.


Except now, he's the lynchpin of a worldwide movement for some form of authoritarianism, one that recognizes there is virtue in ganging up and beating democracy senseless now so they can wreak havoc later, instead of an isolated figure like Nixon.


Wherever those are sucessfull, they only tear down what was already weak before and prone to fall.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:30 pm

Duhon wrote:
Nakena wrote:
I doubt that the suffering on this world has been much increased or decreased through the actions of Donald Trump. Some of his predecessors have an argueably worse record in this regard.


Except now, he's the lynchpin of a worldwide movement for some form of authoritarianism, one that recognizes there is virtue in ganging up and beating democracy senseless now so they can wreak havoc later, instead of an isolated figure like Nixon.


You’re jumping at shadows man
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Postby Duhon » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:45 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
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Except now, he's the lynchpin of a worldwide movement for some form of authoritarianism, one that recognizes there is virtue in ganging up and beating democracy senseless now so they can wreak havoc later, instead of an isolated figure like Nixon.


You’re jumping at shadows man


How I wish I could believe that.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:46 pm

Duhon wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
You’re jumping at shadows man


How I wish I could believe that.


The world has survived far worse than Trump and will do so again.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:46 pm

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I took a really big shit some years ago.

It’s a state senator now.


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Postby Duhon » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:48 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Duhon wrote:
How I wish I could believe that.


The world has survived far worse than Trump and will do so again.


Trump and more and chomping at the bit, you mean.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:50 pm

Duhon wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
The world has survived far worse than Trump and will do so again.


Trump and more and chomping at the bit, you mean.


Yes. Far worse than them.
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Postby Proctopeo » Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:59 pm

Bombadil wrote:I know CTOAN has been aching for an update on the knitting controversy..

“Historically, knitting, like any art, has always been political,” she said. “These problems are not new, but I cannot deny that this presidency and the era we are in now has emboldened people to share hateful views.”

Leesa Renee Hall, a writer whose work centers on unpacking unconscious biases, said she has followed the ongoing discussion in the knitting world in recent months, which she called a “racial awakening” not limited to the Ravelry platform. Major companies such as Reddit, YouTube and Facebook have been struggling to police outright racist and racially biased language on platforms in recent years.

“The problem with this kind of response is that the issue will undoubtedly pop up again,” she said. “In its attempt to do the right thing, Ravelry is going to create more chaos. In their attempt to jump into action immediately, they don’t work on the underlying biases at hand.”

Some knitters opposed to Sunday’s ban have started the hashtag “#MakeKnittingFunAgain” in response to what they see as an overpoliticization of the fibers space.


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I had thought it was a gentle society infiltrated by rogue MAGA knitters but seems knitting is an overly white pastime where others don't feel welcome and overly so since Trump has emboldened knitters to express their views more outwardly.

Thanks Trump.

What the fuck is this nonsense?

Reads like it was written by a half-together geriatric then touched up by their middle-aged offspring who didn't check to make sure it actually made sense.

Also it's not surprising that The Guardian is the one spewing this sewage lmao
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Postby Telconi » Tue Jun 25, 2019 9:19 pm

Galloism wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:Even shitting?

I took a really big shit some years ago.

It’s a state senator now.


Plot twist, Gallo is a state Senator and the shit is posting on Nation States.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 25, 2019 11:50 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Duhon wrote:
How I wish I could believe that.


The world has survived far worse than Trump and will do so again.

The ability of a surfer to survive a shark attack is no in way reflective of its ability to survive multiple shark attacks.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:02 am

Galloism wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:Even shitting?

I took a really big shit some years ago.

It’s a state senator now.


So that's where Republicans come from.
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Postby Corrian » Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:02 am

So I see things have been going well lately.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:31 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:Oh for fuck's sake, the fragility.

Try to yank this train back on the tracks again...After apparently backing off at the last second (at least if you trust him), Trump is wagging his dick at yet another country...
President Donald Trump threatened Iran with "obliteration" on Tuesday, saying that an attack on "anything American will be met with great and overwhelming force."
"In some areas, overwhelming will mean obliteration. No more John Kerry & Obama!" the President tweeted.
Speaking in the Oval Office later in the day, Trump said he believes Iran still takes his threats seriously after he canceled a planned military strike and told reporters he does not need an "exit strategy" from the increasingly tense situation.
Trump also said his message to Tehran following the recent exchange of hostile words between the US and Iran -- including Iranian President Hassan Rouhani saying the White House is suffering from a "mental disability" -- was that he wants to negotiate.

"I'll tell you what the message is: When they're ready, they have to let us know," Trump said. "Whatever they want to do, I'm ready."
"You're not going to need an exit strategy. I don't need exit strategies," he added.

"I don't need exit strategies" is probably the most insightful thing said about Trump's decision making he could have said. Consequences? Those are for poor people...

Don't worry, America, Trump won't get you into another quagmire in the Middle East. He's just going to fuck with other countries without any kind of plan and hopefully everything will somehow work out.
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Postby Tarsonis » Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:48 am

Kowani wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
The world has survived far worse than Trump and will do so again.

The ability of a surfer to survive a shark attack is no in way reflective of its ability to survive multiple shark attacks.


Lies, after the first one you build an immunity
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:43 am

Wayfair workers plan walkout in protest of company's bed sales to migrant camps

Now, this issue can be seen on both sides. On one hand, I can understand why the workers don't want to sell these beds to the Fed: they don't want to endorse the cruel practices currently unfolding at detention centers, which for some odd reason, some people are like "well, they shouldn't have come here then", which is disturbing...

On the other hand, the Feds are still going to detain immigrants and now with less beds, their living conditions will deteriorate even faster now. Eh, it's a double edge sword.
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Postby Nea Byzantia » Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:47 am

Duhon wrote:
Nakena wrote:
I doubt that the suffering on this world has been much increased or decreased through the actions of Donald Trump. Some of his predecessors have an argueably worse record in this regard.


Except now, he's the lynchpin of a worldwide movement for some form of authoritarianism, one that recognizes there is virtue in ganging up and beating democracy senseless now so they can wreak havoc later, instead of an isolated figure like Nixon.

Do you actually believe people like Xi and Putin are conspiring with Trump to slay the neoliberal world order? The neoliberal order is dying of its own excesses, and if America - who is its primary patron and exporter - doesn't knock it off, it will go the way of the Soviet Union (the primary patron and exporter of the Communist order); that is to say, it will cease to be a Power and its Empire collapse under its own weight. I think Trump is in many ways irrelevant in the grand scheme of things; he's one man and won't be able to change the trajectory of where the American Empire is ultimately headed (there are too many entrenched special interests, coteries and factions); all he can do is influence what sort of landing America has - whether it will be a soft(er) landing, or a hard(er) one - when it loses its international Empire. How that all plays out remains to be seen, I don't see America losing its Empire for another decade or so, but I definitely think we're headed that way; and with each passing year and each passing election cycle it gets closer and closer, and more and more apparent.

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:01 am

I see Micron and some other us companies are resuming component deliveries to Huawei.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:20 am

Kellyanne is getting a subpoena and could be held in contempt.

Which will likely end up in court.

The vote -- 25 to 16, with Democrats and Rep. Justin Amash, Republican of Michigan, voting in favor -- could set up another challenge in court between Congress and the Trump administration, which has consistently stymied Democrats' oversight efforts since they took control of the House earlier this year.

"This is not a conspiracy to silence her or restrict her First Amendment rights," Cummings said. "This is an effort to enforce federal law."

"Nobody in this country is above the law," added Cummings.
Earlier this month, the independent Office of Special Counsel sent the Trump administration a letter outlining Conway's "numerous violations" of the Hatch Act, finding that from February to May she publicly criticized the field of Democratic presidential candidates and sought to boost the Trump campaign while in her official role at the White House.
Special counsel Henry Kerner on Wednesday said the office did not make its recommendation "lightly," saying Conway's conduct sent a "false message" to other federal employees that they don't need to abide by the Hatch Act.
Trump has said that he's not going to fire Conway over the alleged Hatch Act violations and White House counsel Pat Cipollone said in a letter Monday that Conway does not need to testify before Congress.
"As you know, the precedent for members of the White House staff to decline invitations to testify before congressional committees has been consistently adhered to by administrations of both political parties, and is based on clearly established constitutional doctrines," Cipollone wrote.
The office has found that she had made similar offenses before. In 2018, the OSC said Conway violated the law during the 2017 Alabama special election for Senate.
Last month, Conway mocked that finding. "Let me know when the jail sentence starts," she told reporters.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:21 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:Kellyanne is getting a subpoena and could be held in contempt.

Which will likely end up in court.

The vote -- 25 to 16, with Democrats and Rep. Justin Amash, Republican of Michigan, voting in favor -- could set up another challenge in court between Congress and the Trump administration, which has consistently stymied Democrats' oversight efforts since they took control of the House earlier this year.


I can't see any court not upholding the subpoena but the fact that I cannot say for certain is frightening

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Postby Cannot think of a name » Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:40 am

Why did I double layer that quote? The world may never know.
San Lumen wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Kellyanne is getting a subpoena and could be held in contempt.

Which will likely end up in court.


I can't see any court not upholding the subpoena but the fact that I cannot say for certain is frightening

I mean, they have been stacking the courts like they'll never get elected again after holding up nominations for 8 years.
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Postby Zurkerx » Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:04 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:Kellyanne is getting a subpoena and could be held in contempt.

Which will likely end up in court.

The vote -- 25 to 16, with Democrats and Rep. Justin Amash, Republican of Michigan, voting in favor -- could set up another challenge in court between Congress and the Trump administration, which has consistently stymied Democrats' oversight efforts since they took control of the House earlier this year.

"This is not a conspiracy to silence her or restrict her First Amendment rights," Cummings said. "This is an effort to enforce federal law."

"Nobody in this country is above the law," added Cummings.
Earlier this month, the independent Office of Special Counsel sent the Trump administration a letter outlining Conway's "numerous violations" of the Hatch Act, finding that from February to May she publicly criticized the field of Democratic presidential candidates and sought to boost the Trump campaign while in her official role at the White House.
Special counsel Henry Kerner on Wednesday said the office did not make its recommendation "lightly," saying Conway's conduct sent a "false message" to other federal employees that they don't need to abide by the Hatch Act.
Trump has said that he's not going to fire Conway over the alleged Hatch Act violations and White House counsel Pat Cipollone said in a letter Monday that Conway does not need to testify before Congress.
"As you know, the precedent for members of the White House staff to decline invitations to testify before congressional committees has been consistently adhered to by administrations of both political parties, and is based on clearly established constitutional doctrines," Cipollone wrote.
The office has found that she had made similar offenses before. In 2018, the OSC said Conway violated the law during the 2017 Alabama special election for Senate.
Last month, Conway mocked that finding. "Let me know when the jail sentence starts," she told reporters.


Are we really surprised? The Trump Administration will fight every single thing, though it seems their strategy of fighting is showing signs of cracks as court after court as basically struck them down. They're not going to win...
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Should Trump be investigated for Zionist nfluence?

Postby Al Mumtahanah » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:27 pm

People worry that Russians are dictating Trump's policy, but what aboit Jews? It is common knowledge that Jewish influence on American policy is much stronger than Russian influence. Trump's son-in-law and therefore his daughter are Jews. Israel has named a settlement after Trump. If Trump werre in Russian pockets rather than Jewish pockets, he would not be pursuing such a hostile course with Iran.


I think an investigation is in order.
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Postby Petrolheadia » Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:31 pm

Outside of the "all Jews are secret Israeli agents" fallacy, I'd rather Donnie allied with Israel than a hostile backwards statist theocracy.
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