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Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:09 pm**

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Maybe America shouldn't be so armed.

Maybe some people like me don't want to live under Sino-Russian hegemony... though granted maybe you do.

>not wanting America to be an imperialist bully around the world and waste its own money and lives fighting for backwards fanatics in the Middle East means you're obviously rooting for the Russians/Chinese/commies/insert enemy here

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:09 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You want the nice shit about being the biggest economic power in the world then you have to accept the bad shit about enforcing that position. At one point during the British Empire about 50% of UK taxation was going towards the navy to defend British interests.

I don't want empire, because imperialism is expensive and immoral.

But you have one. Now if you don't defend it the US will become like all the other former powers. Beholden to the biggest swinging dick in the playground. At the moment that looks like it will become China or India. Do you want US shipping to be at the mercy of the whims of the Chinese military?

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:10 pm**

Telconi wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Weirdest ad hominen I've seen in awhile. I can't criticize imperialism and wars built on rather faulty premises because of my job/username...?

"I may want to create and perpetuate rediculous, decades long conflict amongst people in a socially backwards economically depressed part of the world. But at least I don't work at a bank, you monster!"

Correct.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:10 pm**

Valrifell wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Sudden liberals are warhawks now.

Yeah, I'd like to avoid seeing the Kurds indiscriminately killed and displaced by Turkish soldiers, which would happen, so I guess I'm the bad guy :/

I don't see you enlisting.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:11 pm**

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
You want the nice shit about being the biggest economic power in the world then you have to accept the bad shit about enforcing that position. At one point during the British Empire about 50% of UK taxation was going towards the navy to defend British interests.

Man, you guys really hated sunsets.

And brown people. Especially Indians.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:11 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Yeah, I'd like to avoid seeing the Kurds indiscriminately killed and displaced by Turkish soldiers, which would happen, so I guess I'm the bad guy :/

I don't see you enlisting.

What a lazy argument to make for anything. I've never been fond of the military, but if they were there already, why not prevent the displacement of loads of people? Oh, wait, because then some Americans may get killed (Turkey would never, for the record, kill an American soldier, which is why there was a tense but stable standoff at the Turkish border when we were patrolling) and I guess they're more valuable than a Kurd because... reasons.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:11 pm**

Fartsniffage wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
I don't want empire, because imperialism is expensive and immoral.

But you have one. Now if you don't defend it the US will become like all the other former powers. Beholden to the biggest swinging dick in the playground. At the moment that looks like it will become China or India. Do you want US shipping to be at the mercy of the whims of the Chinese military?

We never voted to become an empire.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:12 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
Yeah, I'd like to avoid seeing the Kurds indiscriminately killed and displaced by Turkish soldiers, which would happen, so I guess I'm the bad guy :/

I don't see you enlisting.

Enlistment is for brown people. Wealthy people just vote for wars they have every intention of having bone spurs throughout.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:12 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:Lol the one time there's bipartisanship in Congress is one the rare occasion when Trump goes against the military industrial complex.

We need to pull out of the Middle East entirely. Tired of my country being dragged into these dark age desert religious wars for oil.

Oil was highly valued in the Dark Ages, as we all know.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:12 pm**

Valrifell wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
I don't see you enlisting.

What a lazy argument to make for anything. I've never been fond of the military, but if they were there already, why not prevent the displacement of loads of people? Oh, wait, because then some Americans may get killed (Turkey would never, for the record, kill an American soldier, which is why there was a tense but stable standoff at the Turkish border when we were patrolling) and I guess they're more valuable than a Kurd because... reasons.

An American is more valuable than anyone from that part of the world.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:12 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:
Nakena wrote:
Quite intrigueing isn't it?

That happens if when a Leviathan is being created and then a few generations later people no longer know to ride it. It becomes then the willing beast for those who understand best to ride it and its nature.

Unfortunatly that have been the Neocons until recently.

Sudden liberals are warhawks now.

Neoconism was imperialist neo-liberalism. And with the later being fading or having been replaced by left-liberals... they seem to take over from their predecessor in those regards.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:12 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Maybe some people like me don't want to live under Sino-Russian hegemony... though granted maybe you do.

>not wanting America to be an imperialist bully around the world and waste its own money and lives fighting for backwards fanatics in the Middle East means you're obviously rooting for the Russians/Chinese/commies/insert enemy here

I didn't even mention the ME...

You said: "Maybe America shouldn't be so armed."
Assuming that to be the premise, from whence do you wish to draw down? East Asia and leave it under PRC hegemony? Europe and leave it under Russian hegemony? Anywhere else?

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:13 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
What a lazy argument to make for anything. I've never been fond of the military, but if they were there already, why not prevent the displacement of loads of people? Oh, wait, because then some Americans may get killed (Turkey would never, for the record, kill an American soldier, which is why there was a tense but stable standoff at the Turkish border when we were patrolling) and I guess they're more valuable than a Kurd because... reasons.

An American is more valuable than anyone from that part of the world.

A human life is a human life regardless of location of birth, which is arbitrary.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:13 pm**

Ifreann wrote:
Gravlen wrote:Trump wants to impeach Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and Mitt Romney. Probably someone else as well, I have lost count of how many he's accused of treason by now.

"And also internet user Gravlen"

Hey everybody! We're all gonna get ~~laid~~ impeached! *Dangerfield.jpg*

That said, I'd like to see more of Trump's tweets in this format:

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:14 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
What a lazy argument to make for anything. I've never been fond of the military, but if they were there already, why not prevent the displacement of loads of people? Oh, wait, because then some Americans may get killed (Turkey would never, for the record, kill an American soldier, which is why there was a tense but stable standoff at the Turkish border when we were patrolling) and I guess they're more valuable than a Kurd because... reasons.

An American is more valuable than anyone from that part of the world.

Thank you for affirming your personal belief that you, unlike me is part of the Herrenrasse.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:14 pm**

Gravlen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:"And also internet user Gravlen"

Hey everybody! We're all gonna get ~~laid~~ impeached! *Dangerfield.jpg*

That said, I'd like to see more of Trump's tweets in this format:

my head

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:15 pm**

Gravlen wrote:
Ifreann wrote:"And also internet user Gravlen"

Hey everybody! We're all gonna get ~~laid~~ impeached! *Dangerfield.jpg*

That said, I'd like to see more of Trump's tweets in this format:

That is awesome.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:15 pm**

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
>not wanting America to be an imperialist bully around the world and waste its own money and lives fighting for backwards fanatics in the Middle East means you're obviously rooting for the Russians/Chinese/commies/insert enemy here

I didn't even mention the ME...

You said: "Maybe America shouldn't be so armed."
Assuming that to be the premise, from whence do you wish to draw down? East Asia and leave it under PRC hegemony? Europe and leave it under Russian hegemony? Anywhere else?

I'd draw down from the Middle East for sure. Europe too. If they want to fight Russian "hegemony" then they should actually pay their fair share of NATO and build up their own militaries. Given that they are more than happy to not do that and just take natural gas from Russia makes me think that they really don't view Russia as that much of a threat. If Russia could field an army capable of getting past Poland, I'd be surprised.

China is a threat we don't do enough about so I'd keep up the pressure on them.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:15 pm**

Telconi wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
I don't see you enlisting.

Enlistment is for brown people. Wealthy people just vote for wars they have every intention of having bone spurs throughout.

oh man I wish I were wealthy enough for that.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:16 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:I didn't even mention the ME...

You said: "Maybe America shouldn't be so armed."
Assuming that to be the premise, from whence do you wish to draw down? East Asia and leave it under PRC hegemony? Europe and leave it under Russian hegemony? Anywhere else?

I'd draw down from the Middle East for sure. Europe too. If they want to fight Russian "hegemony" then they should actually pay their fair share of NATO and build up their own militaries. Given that they are more than happy to not do that and just take natural gas from Russia makes me think that they really don't view Russia as that much of a threat. If Russia could field an army capable of getting past Poland, I'd be surprised.

Maybe 30 years of trickle down economics and austerity was a crime but what the fuck do I know.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:16 pm**

>Mandate of Heaven

...Did Trump finally declare himself emperor then?

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:17 pm**

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
I'd draw down from the Middle East for sure. Europe too. If they want to fight Russian "hegemony" then they should actually pay their fair share of NATO and build up their own militaries. Given that they are more than happy to not do that and just take natural gas from Russia makes me think that they really don't view Russia as that much of a threat. If Russia could field an army capable of getting past Poland, I'd be surprised.

Maybe 30 years of trickle down economics and austerity was a crime but what the fuck do I know.

Europe's economy grew faster than America's throughout most of the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. What'd you guys do with all of that wealth?

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:18 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:
Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Maybe 30 years of trickle down economics and austerity was a crime but what the fuck do I know.

Europe's economy grew faster than America's throughout most of the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. What'd you guys do with all of that wealth?

Look in the casinos of Monaco.

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:19 pm**

Duhon wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
Alienating a Middle Eastern tribe is worth keeping America out of that part of the world.

What do you actually want? A US invasion of Turkey? Permanent occupation of Kurdistan? Are you going to fight in these wars?

alienating a mideastern tribe was what led to 9/11
as much as pulling back on us overseas military commitments would be right in my book
exposing the kurds to genocide is simply not it

Posted: **Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:20 pm**

Bear Stearns wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
But you have one. Now if you don't defend it the US will become like all the other former powers. Beholden to the biggest swinging dick in the playground. At the moment that looks like it will become China or India. Do you want US shipping to be at the mercy of the whims of the Chinese military?

We never voted to become an empire.

US voters never voted for Trump to be President. But due to the vagaries of the US political system, here we are.

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