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Postby Valrifell » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:41 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Gormwood wrote:But for you somehow it's proof that Trump should not be charged.

Not necessarily. The Mueller Report itself couldn't find enough evidence, and without evidence, I think charging him would be wrong.


That's not what the Mueller report established on the obstruction charge. In fact I believe they said there was enough to levy charges but Mueller didn't want to be the one to levy him since he believed he couldn't indict a sitting president.

Did you miss that part?
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Postby San Lumen » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:42 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Not necessarily. The Mueller Report itself couldn't find enough evidence, and without evidence, I think charging him would be wrong.


That's not what the Mueller report established on the obstruction charge. In fact I believe they said there was enough to levy charges but Mueller didn't want to be the one to levy him since he believed he couldn't indict a sitting president.

Did you miss that part?

He should have through the protocol out the window and indicted him. There is no law that says a sitting president can't be indicted

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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:44 pm

Valrifell wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Not necessarily. The Mueller Report itself couldn't find enough evidence, and without evidence, I think charging him would be wrong.


That's not what the Mueller report established on the obstruction charge. In fact I believe they said there was enough to levy charges but Mueller didn't want to be the one to levy him since he believed he couldn't indict a sitting president.

Did you miss that part?


They're deliberately ignoring it because it hurts the "Trump is 100% innocent of everything ever" narrative.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:53 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Valrifell wrote:
That's not what the Mueller report established on the obstruction charge. In fact I believe they said there was enough to levy charges but Mueller didn't want to be the one to levy him since he believed he couldn't indict a sitting president.

Did you miss that part?


They're deliberately ignoring it because it hurts the "Trump is 100% innocent of everything ever" narrative.

He could be taped shooting someone dead on 5th Avenue and he'd still be 100% innocent of everything ever to his cult.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:59 pm

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Obama wears a tan suit.
Republicans: That’s outrageous.

LGBTQ couple shops for wedding cake.
Republicans: That’s offensive.

NFL players kneel to protest injustice.
Republicans: That’s disrespectful.

Trump obstructs justice & rapes women.
Republicans: That’s our president!



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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:27 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Vassenor wrote:



This isn’t your blog

And yet, she’s not wrong. And additionally, it is relevant.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:47 pm

Well, looks like I was right about the deflection thing.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:57 pm

Kowani wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:

This isn’t your blog

And yet, she’s not wrong. And additionally, it is relevant.


Doesn’t matter if they’re right or wrong, it’s a pointless post that doesn’t add anything to the conversation. It’s just them smearing Republicans. Hence, the response.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:59 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Kowani wrote:And yet, she’s not wrong. And additionally, it is relevant.


Doesn’t matter if they’re right or wrong, it’s a pointless post that doesn’t add anything to the conversation. It’s just them smearing Republicans. Hence, the response.

Considering that there was a conversation about the “obstruction of justice” that happened right after her post, it seems that contribution was made.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:00 pm

Kowani wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Doesn’t matter if they’re right or wrong, it’s a pointless post that doesn’t add anything to the conversation. It’s just them smearing Republicans. Hence, the response.

Considering that there was a conversation about the “obstruction of justice” that happened right after her post, it seems that contribution was made.


No it doesn’t
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Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:00 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Kowani wrote:And yet, she’s not wrong. And additionally, it is relevant.


Doesn’t matter if they’re right or wrong, it’s a pointless post that doesn’t add anything to the conversation. It’s just them smearing Republicans. Hence, the response.

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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:00 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Doesn’t matter if they’re right or wrong, it’s a pointless post that doesn’t add anything to the conversation. It’s just them smearing Republicans. Hence, the response.

The Truth Is Out There A Smear


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1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:01 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Kowani wrote:Considering that there was a conversation about the “obstruction of justice” that happened right after her post, it seems that contribution was made.


No it doesn’t

“It doesn’t contribute anything to the conversation”
>Points at conversation.
“That doesn’t count!”
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




The triumph of the Democracy is essential to the struggle of popular liberty


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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:02 pm

Kowani wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
No it doesn’t

“It doesn’t contribute anything to the conversation”
>Points at conversation.
“That doesn’t count!”


People respond to blog posts on here all the time, doesn’t make them not blog posts. Keep white knighting if you wish, I’m not responding to this any further.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:03 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Kowani wrote:“It doesn’t contribute anything to the conversation”
>Points at conversation.
“That doesn’t count!”


People respond to blog posts on here all the time, doesn’t make them not blog posts. Keep white knighting if you wish, I’m not responding to this any further.

Go report it if you feel it's a blog.
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Postby Kowani » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:05 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Kowani wrote:“It doesn’t contribute anything to the conversation”
>Points at conversation.
“That doesn’t count!”


People respond to blog posts on here all the time, doesn’t make them not blog posts. Keep white knighting if you wish, I’m not responding to this any further.

“White knighting.”

That would imply I expected, or wanted a reward.
Abolitionism in the North has leagued itself with Radical Democracy, and so the Slave Power was forced to ally itself with the Money Power; that is the great fact of the age.




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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:05 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
People respond to blog posts on here all the time, doesn’t make them not blog posts. Keep white knighting if you wish, I’m not responding to this any further.

Go report it if you feel it's a blog.


Reporting your opponents over trivial things is your shtick Gauth, not mine.
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Ecclesiastes 1:18 "For in much wisdom is much vexation, and those who increase knowledge increase sorrow"
Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
James I of Aragon "Have you ever considered that our position is Idolatry to the Rabbi?"
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Postby Bear Stearns » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:14 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
The burden of proof usually falls with those making the charge.

So charges should not be filed unless conviction is guaranteed. Someone should have told the Republicans back in 1998. :)


Uh...okay?
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Jun 25, 2019 2:44 pm

Tarsonis wrote:
Gormwood wrote:Go report it if you feel it's a blog.


Reporting your opponents over trivial things is your shtick Gauth, not mine.

So it wasn't a blog and you're just virtue shitposting.
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Postby Tarsonis » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:03 pm

Gormwood wrote:
Tarsonis wrote:
Reporting your opponents over trivial things is your shtick Gauth, not mine.

So it wasn't a blog and you're just virtue shitposting.


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Thucydides: “The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools.”
1 Corinthians 5:12 "What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?"
Galatians 6:7 "Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow."
T. Stevens: "I don't hold with equality in all things, but I believe in equality under the Law."
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:39 pm

Oh for fuck's sake, the fragility.

Try to yank this train back on the tracks again...After apparently backing off at the last second (at least if you trust him), Trump is wagging his dick at yet another country...
President Donald Trump threatened Iran with "obliteration" on Tuesday, saying that an attack on "anything American will be met with great and overwhelming force."
"In some areas, overwhelming will mean obliteration. No more John Kerry & Obama!" the President tweeted.
Speaking in the Oval Office later in the day, Trump said he believes Iran still takes his threats seriously after he canceled a planned military strike and told reporters he does not need an "exit strategy" from the increasingly tense situation.
Trump also said his message to Tehran following the recent exchange of hostile words between the US and Iran -- including Iranian President Hassan Rouhani saying the White House is suffering from a "mental disability" -- was that he wants to negotiate.

"I'll tell you what the message is: When they're ready, they have to let us know," Trump said. "Whatever they want to do, I'm ready."
"You're not going to need an exit strategy. I don't need exit strategies," he added.

"I don't need exit strategies" is probably the most insightful thing said about Trump's decision making he could have said. Consequences? Those are for poor people...
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Postby Ism » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:54 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:Oh for fuck's sake, the fragility.

Try to yank this train back on the tracks again...After apparently backing off at the last second (at least if you trust him), Trump is wagging his dick at yet another country...
President Donald Trump threatened Iran with "obliteration" on Tuesday, saying that an attack on "anything American will be met with great and overwhelming force."
"In some areas, overwhelming will mean obliteration. No more John Kerry & Obama!" the President tweeted.
Speaking in the Oval Office later in the day, Trump said he believes Iran still takes his threats seriously after he canceled a planned military strike and told reporters he does not need an "exit strategy" from the increasingly tense situation.
Trump also said his message to Tehran following the recent exchange of hostile words between the US and Iran -- including Iranian President Hassan Rouhani saying the White House is suffering from a "mental disability" -- was that he wants to negotiate.

"I'll tell you what the message is: When they're ready, they have to let us know," Trump said. "Whatever they want to do, I'm ready."
"You're not going to need an exit strategy. I don't need exit strategies," he added.

"I don't need exit strategies" is probably the most insightful thing said about Trump's decision making he could have said. Consequences? Those are for poor people...


I don't know, I think we could still get some more mileage out of that knitting website.


More seriously, I would find it very funny, and very sad, if we replaced the deal Obama got with Iran with something similar to what Trump got with North Korea, and half of America called it an improvement.
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Postby Maineiacs » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:02 pm

Ism wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Oh for fuck's sake, the fragility.

Try to yank this train back on the tracks again...After apparently backing off at the last second (at least if you trust him), Trump is wagging his dick at yet another country...

"I don't need exit strategies" is probably the most insightful thing said about Trump's decision making he could have said. Consequences? Those are for poor people...


I don't know, I think we could still get some more mileage out of that knitting website.


More seriously, I would find it very funny, and very sad, if we replaced the deal Obama got with Iran with something similar to what Trump got with North Korea, and half of America called it an improvement.




How much would anyone care to bet that if Trump actually does offer a new deal to Iran, it will look exactly like the deal Obama worked out, but with Trump's name on it?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:35 pm

Maineiacs wrote:
Ism wrote:
I don't know, I think we could still get some more mileage out of that knitting website.


More seriously, I would find it very funny, and very sad, if we replaced the deal Obama got with Iran with something similar to what Trump got with North Korea, and half of America called it an improvement.




How much would anyone care to bet that if Trump actually does offer a new deal to Iran, it will look exactly like the deal Obama worked out, but with Trump's name on it?

But more toothless. His 'art of the deal' seems to be 'get worse than what was offered and then call it the greatest'.
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Postby Zurkerx » Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:14 pm

Breaking: Mueller agrees to testify in an open session before two House Committees

Yuge news I tell ya folks, YUGE! Although that's bad news bears for Trump... get ready for the Twitter Shitstorm.
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