MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Moral Absolutism Inc]

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2019/10/07/trump-campaign-threatens-to-sue-target-center-if-rally-is-blocked

Trump is threatening to sue the Target Center in Downtown Minneapolis if they prevent his rally from happening on Thursday. The arena is owned by the city but operated by a private company and if they don't receive 530,000 dollars ahead of the event for security costs and other fees the Target Center has said they would “withhold use of the arena,”.

The state GOP is using this to claim the mayor of the city is preventing the president from speaking and they even using a map of state showing he won more land area like it matters. The metro area is almost 60 percent of the state.

I wish more arenas would do this. The campaign needs to pay its bills like everyone else and if they don't then they dont get to use the venue.

Security shouldn't be the person using the Arenas problem.

Okay then, if Donald goes there anyway and it's not secured, then whose problem do you think that is going to be for the most part?

[San Lumen]

When did Democrats solicit a foreign government for help winning a election? Thats what he did on the call. He openly called for it on the White House lawn.



why not?

When Clinton took money from Qatar. The whole basis for the Russia investigation was a dossier obtained from foreigners.

And mind you. That's not what he's called for. He called for Ukraine to reopen investigations into potential misdeeds by Biden.

Full stop.

He did not ask for dirt. He did not ask for election hacking. He asked about a specific potential criminal occurence. If Biden is innocent, NOTHING wrong would happen.

As for the Arena thing. How would you feel if I decided you were dangerous and upped your rent/homeowners insurance by a few hundred thousand dollars?

He called for them to investigate a political opponent. That is election interference and is ILLEGAL. The prosecutor in Ukraine said there was nothing to see.

You couldn't do that. This is about paying fees to use a a venue that everyone must pay. If Trump doesn't like it hold the event elsewhere

[The Emerald Legion]

Security shouldn't be the person using the Arenas problem.

Okay then, if Donald goes there anyway and it's not secured, then whose problem do you think that is going to be for the most part?

Exactly. Mind you as president he comes with secret service. He should be charging the Arena for security. Not the other way around.

[San Lumen]

Okay then, if Donald goes there anyway and it's not secured, then whose problem do you think that is going to be for the most part?

Exactly. Mind you as president he comes with secret service. He should be charging the Arena for security. Not the other way around.

He can't do that. That's not how it works

[The Emerald Legion]

Exactly. Mind you as president he comes with secret service. He should be charging the Arena for security. Not the other way around.

He can't do that. That's not how it works

Sure it is. It's called business.

[San Lumen]

He can't do that. That's not how it works

Sure it is. It's called business.

Then why doesnt he do it? The venue is owned by the city but run by a private company. They have the right to charge fees for use and decide who gets to use it.

[Moral Absolutism Inc]

Okay then, if Donald goes there anyway and it's not secured, then whose problem do you think that is going to be for the most part?

Exactly. Mind you as president he comes with secret service. He should be charging the Arena for security. Not the other way around.

JFK came places with SS too. He'd be mindful to pay the bill in Minneapolis. He's coming there to win votes, right? How does his Deadbeatism help him here?

[Duhon]

Wanting to honor your end of a deal is now interventionism. Looks like you think Trump had a great idea stiffing employees and small businesses.

We have altered the deal, the socialist Kurds best pray we don’t alter it further.

genocide the kurds? that will save turkish men and materiel and make erdogan write the best letters ever, believe me!

[San Lumen]

Exactly. Mind you as president he comes with secret service. He should be charging the Arena for security. Not the other way around.

JFK came places with SS too. He'd be mindful to pay the bill in Minneapolis. He's coming there to win votes, right? How does his Deadbeatism help him here?

Its likely many of his supporters dont care. They merely see it as a attempt to prevent Trump from speaking.

[The Emerald Legion]

Exactly. Mind you as president he comes with secret service. He should be charging the Arena for security. Not the other way around.

JFK came places with SS too. He'd be mindful to pay the bill in Minneapolis. He's coming there to win votes, right? How does his Deadbeatism help him here?

The issue here is it's an attempt to just push him out or bleed him of money. It's corruption that's become common.

[Thermodolia]

I have this shocking new idea for you. Become uninvolved. We don’t need to stick around anymore. Oh job is done.

The job is not done when you decide you don't want to do it any more, it is done when it is done.

It’s been done for months. ISIS has no more territory in Syria or Iraq. Our job is done. It’s time for the locals to take over.

Never said that it could. What I have been saying is that we don’t need to be there and that’s we shouldn’t have been there.

But you are there, and your plans to pull out are already making things worse. Leaving people to die is immoral even if you think you should never have been in a position where you leaving will endanger them.

US pulling out isn’t going to make everything worse. That idea is utter bullshit. The locals are quite capable of handling themselves without us.

It’s American and western centric to believe that nations like Syria can’t handle themselves

Don't act like that's anything to do with your position.

It has everything to do with it. You’re all acting like the locals can’t handle themselves without the west guiding them along. It’s a terribly racist and imperialist viewpoint wrapped up to look like we are fighting for freedom.

Ya got enough straw there to start a fire there iffy. Be careful you don’t catch yourself on fire.

They're analogies, not strawmen. It's a common rhetorical device, not a logical fallacy.

No it’s a strawman and a dumb one at that.

You very plainly saying that America should ignore the world beyond its borders,

No I’m not. Hence the strawman. You’re trying to put words in my mouth so it’s easier to attack because otherwise you’ll look like a warmonger.

let ISIS grow they're someone else's problem,

ISIS is dead. They are operationally dead

let Assad murder his people, he's their problem,

We aren’t the worlds police. If you want to stop him be my fucking guest.

let Russia grow, they're someone else's problem,

Russia isn’t a threat. They are a paper tiger. Besides we need Russia to help us counter China.

let anyone out there do anything, it's not your problem until it's on your side of the imaginary line.

Again I’ve never said that. I think we should be ramping up our support for Hong Kong and get to work on toppling the CPC. But because my foreign policy doesn’t involve sticking around in the dessert it’s bad.

And I am saying that that is stupid. I am comparing that to other stupid ideas to illustrate how it is stupid. Burying your head in the sand does not make you safe from the outside world. That's why ostriches don't actually do that.

And it’s a strawman because it doesn’t actually represent any of my views. There’s nothing wrong with wanting to pull back and take care of your own people.

I’m not saying that we don’t fight terrorism. I’m saying that we do it differently. We aren’t going to shoot our way to ending terrorism. We don’t need to be in Syria to fight terrorists. We have plenty of homegrown terrorists we can fight here for starters

You're an enormously rich country, you can easily police domestic terrorists and maintain your presence in Syria until it is actually safe to pull out.

Ya fuck that. If you want to be in Syria so badly go do it yourself.

[Duhon]

wow, the libs arguing for continued war, while the conservatives are arguing against it. Trump has truly turned the world upside down.

this lib here wanted to prevent war by keeping the turks in their barracks and isis in avici en route to a future dmz style deal
but sure, i'm the warmongering sociopath

[Thermodolia]

wow, the libs arguing for continued war, while the conservatives are arguing against it. Trump has truly turned the world upside down.

this lib here wanted to prevent war by keeping the turks in their barracks and isis in avici en route to a future dmz style deal
but sure, i'm the warmongering sociopath

Isis is long gone in Syria. There’s no point to sticking around

[The Emerald Legion]

wow, the libs arguing for continued war, while the conservatives are arguing against it. Trump has truly turned the world upside down.

this lib here wanted to prevent war by keeping the turks in their barracks and isis in avici en route to a future dmz style deal
but sure, i'm the warmongering sociopath

Stop stealing my job.

[Duhon]

this lib here wanted to prevent war by keeping the turks in their barracks and isis in avici en route to a future dmz style deal
but sure, i'm the warmongering sociopath

Isis is long gone in Syria. There’s no point to sticking around

reports of isis fighters attacking sdf positions in raqqa did come in literally a day or so ago dude
and even if you discount isis there's simply keeping erdogan from pulling off his final solution

[Moral Absolutism Inc]

JFK came places with SS too. He'd be mindful to pay the bill in Minneapolis. He's coming there to win votes, right? How does his Deadbeatism help him here?

The issue here is it's an attempt to just push him out or bleed him of money. It's corruption that's become common.

Trump's the corruption. He taunts and asks his crowd at rallies to assault people and says he'll pay for their legal fees. I bet the insurers of these "events" want a lot more money too. Trump is totally corrupt through and through.

[Vassenor]

JFK came places with SS too. He'd be mindful to pay the bill in Minneapolis. He's coming there to win votes, right? How does his Deadbeatism help him here?

The issue here is it's an attempt to just push him out or bleed him of money. It's corruption that's become common.

How dare Trump be expected to pay for services rendered.

[Thermodolia]

Isis is long gone in Syria. There’s no point to sticking around

reports of isis fighters attacking sdf positions in raqqa did come in literally a day or so ago dude
and even if you discount isis there's simply keeping erdogan from pulling off his final solution

ISIS has no territory there. At this point they are no more a threat than an random terror group with guns.

[Wallenburg]

this lib here wanted to prevent war by keeping the turks in their barracks and isis in avici en route to a future dmz style deal
but sure, i'm the warmongering sociopath

Isis is long gone in Syria. There’s no point to sticking around

Very cool to see you dismissing the genocide of Kurds as no reason to stick around.

[Duhon]

reports of isis fighters attacking sdf positions in raqqa did come in literally a day or so ago dude
and even if you discount isis there's simply keeping erdogan from pulling off his final solution

ISIS has no territory there. At this point they are no more a threat than an random terror group with guns.

they have the arms caches which can go a long way especially if your enemy is totally getting downed with a fatal dose of genocide
and
again
even if you discount isis, avoiding genocide is supposed to be a GOOD THING
this is not esoteric knowledge or even that old
just seventy plus years separate us from the holocaust man
godfuckingdammit people
all this fucking hell for a fucking favor

[The Emerald Legion]

The issue here is it's an attempt to just push him out or bleed him of money. It's corruption that's become common.

How dare Trump be expected to pay for services rendered.

Traditionally no service is actually rendered. You demand exhorbitant security fees and then allow protestors to break up the event anyway.

[Loben The 2nd]

Isis is long gone in Syria. There’s no point to sticking around

reports of isis fighters attacking sdf positions in raqqa did come in literally a day or so ago dude
and even if you discount isis there's simply keeping erdogan from pulling off his final solution

yes....reports.

any evidence to prove that?

[Wallenburg]

How dare Trump be expected to pay for services rendered.

Traditionally no service is actually rendered. You demand exhorbitant security fees and then allow protestors to break up the event anyway.

Protestors broke up the Minneapolis rally? That's fucking news to me.

[Thermodolia]

Isis is long gone in Syria. There’s no point to sticking around

Very cool to see you dismissing the genocide of Kurds as no reason to stick around.

There isn’t an ongoing genocide though. Besides that’s never been a reason for the US to do anything anyway.

[Thermodolia]

ISIS has no territory there. At this point they are no more a threat than an random terror group with guns.

they have the arms caches which can go a long way especially if your enemy is totally getting downed with a fatal dose of genocide
and
again
even if you discount isis, avoiding genocide is supposed to be a GOOD THING
this is not esoteric knowledge or even that old
just seventy plus years separate us from the holocaust man
godfuckingdammit people
all this fucking hell for a fucking favor

Over dramatic much?

Show me where the US has intervened because of a genocide. You won’t find it because it’s never happened. The US has never intervened because a genocide took place.