MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[The Emerald Legion]

I mean, your point was nonsensical. You ignore all evidence that goes contrary to your views.

Then surely you know you could be speaking with Mr. Trump.

... Vassenor is Trump.

A twist worthy of Shyamalan

[Loben The 2nd]

Javalins which I am sure they are putting to effective use.

Ukraine is literally at war with Russia. Russia is sending active duty soldiers in to the separatist parts of Ukraine. Russia supplies the separatist with weapons, ammunition, and other support. The Javaline is a pretty good ATGM, and can be used to engage bunkers and aircraft. So yeah, I think that Ukraine is probably putting it to good use.

Did the Russians send a declaration of war?

[Individual 1]

Then surely you know you could be speaking with Mr. Trump.

... Vassenor is Trump.

A twist worthy of Shyamalan

Just waiting for the super-unnatural ending of the Trump era. A sudden case of Elephantitis bloats him to the size of William Howard Taft. Next his doctor says he must step down for his health. He's carted out to some strange health facility near Langley and is somehow mistakenly stuffed.

[Spirit of Hope]

Ukraine is literally at war with Russia. Russia is sending active duty soldiers in to the separatist parts of Ukraine. Russia supplies the separatist with weapons, ammunition, and other support. The Javaline is a pretty good ATGM, and can be used to engage bunkers and aircraft. So yeah, I think that Ukraine is probably putting it to good use.

Did the Russians send a declaration of war?

No, but a declaration of war isn't necessary for there to be a war.

[Gravlen]

EXCLUSIVE: OFFICIAL WHO HEARD CALL SAYS TRUMP GOT 'ROLLED' BY TURKEY AND 'HAS NO SPINE'

Looks like any authoritarian can spanky Donny with a rolled up magazine.

The most important quote of the article:

"President Trump was definitely out-negotiated and only endorsed the troop withdraw to make it look like we are getting something—but we are not getting something," the National Security Council source told Newsweek. "The U.S. national security has entered a state of increased danger for decades to come because the president has no spine and that's the bottom line."

Master dealmaker with great and unmatched wisdom in action.

[Loben The 2nd]

Did the Russians send a declaration of war?

No, but a declaration of war isn't necessary for there to be a war.

and despite all of that, a stalemate.

with shitty, Soviet style trenches.

[Gormwood]

EXCLUSIVE: OFFICIAL WHO HEARD CALL SAYS TRUMP GOT 'ROLLED' BY TURKEY AND 'HAS NO SPINE'

Looks like any authoritarian can spanky Donny with a rolled up magazine.

The most important quote of the article:

"President Trump was definitely out-negotiated and only endorsed the troop withdraw to make it look like we are getting something—but we are not getting something," the National Security Council source told Newsweek. "The U.S. national security has entered a state of increased danger for decades to come because the president has no spine and that's the bottom line."

Master dealmaker with great and unmatched wisdom in action.

Stable Genius, if by "Stable" we mean "stall".

[Zurkerx]

EXCLUSIVE: OFFICIAL WHO HEARD CALL SAYS TRUMP GOT 'ROLLED' BY TURKEY AND 'HAS NO SPINE'

Looks like any authoritarian can spanky Donny with a rolled up magazine.

The most important quote of the article:

"President Trump was definitely out-negotiated and only endorsed the troop withdraw to make it look like we are getting something—but we are not getting something," the National Security Council source told Newsweek. "The U.S. national security has entered a state of increased danger for decades to come because the president has no spine and that's the bottom line."

Master dealmaker with great and unmatched wisdom in action.

He must have wax off then wax on instead.

So, this is in a CNN update here: White House officials scrambled to alert lawyers and contain damage after Trump's Ukraine call. Basically, they knew this was troubling and tried to hide it. But this seems to also confirm that Barr was unaware given they didn't alert him.

Aides to President Trump scrambled in the aftermath of his July 25 phone call with Ukraine’s leader — both to alert lawyers of their concerns and to contain the damage, new CNN reporting shows.

At least one National Security Council official alerted the White House's national security lawyers about the concerns, three sources familiar with the matter said. Those same lawyers would later order the transcript of the call moved to a highly classified server typically reserved for code-word classified material.

Those concerns were raised independently of the complaint brought forward by an intelligence community whistleblower. They reflect new evidence of the unease mounting within the administration at the President’s actions.

Unsettled aides also immediately began quizzing each other about whether they should alert senior officials who were not on the call — mainly those at the Justice Department, since Trump had invoked the agency’s boss, Attorney General Bill Barr, multiple times during the 30-minute talk.

White House lawyers, aware of the tumult, initially believed it could be contained within the walls of the White House. As more people became aware of the conversation — and began raising their internal concerns about it — a rough transcript of the call was stored away in a highly classified server that few could access. The order to move the transcript came from the White House's national security lawyers to prevent more people from seeing it, according to people familiar with the situation.

The scramble and fallout from the call, described by six people familiar with it, parallels and expands upon details described in the whistleblower complaint. The anxiety and internal concern reflect a phone conversation that deeply troubled national security professionals, even as Trump now insists there was nothing wrong with how he conducted himself. And it shows an ultimately unsuccessful effort to contain the tumult by the administration’s lawyers.

[Gormwood]

U.S. Officials Caught Off Guard By Trump's Shift In Northern Syria

We keep forgetting that he knows more than the generals.

[Greater Miami Shores]

EXCLUSIVE: OFFICIAL WHO HEARD CALL SAYS TRUMP GOT 'ROLLED' BY TURKEY AND 'HAS NO SPINE'

Looks like any authoritarian can spanky Donny with a rolled up magazine.

"According to the National Security Council official to whom Newsweek spoke on condition of Anonymity" lol, anything anti Trump gets treated as fact around here, with personal insults against Donnie, Why am I not surprised lol?

[Gormwood]

EXCLUSIVE: OFFICIAL WHO HEARD CALL SAYS TRUMP GOT 'ROLLED' BY TURKEY AND 'HAS NO SPINE'

Looks like any authoritarian can spanky Donny with a rolled up magazine.

"According to the National Security Council official to whom Newsweek spoke on condition of Anonymity" lol, anything anti Trump gets treated as fact around here, with personal insults against Donnie, Why am I not surprised lol?

Of course you act like Donny doesn't demand anyone talking bad about him get arrested (and executed) as a traitot.

[Ifreann]

EXCLUSIVE: OFFICIAL WHO HEARD CALL SAYS TRUMP GOT 'ROLLED' BY TURKEY AND 'HAS NO SPINE'

Looks like any authoritarian can spanky Donny with a rolled up magazine.

"According to the National Security Council official to whom Newsweek spoke on condition of Anonymity" lol, anything anti Trump gets treated as fact around here, with personal insults against Donnie, Why am I not surprised lol?

Whereas you don't believe the Trump White House about the content of Trump's call with the President of Ukraine when I show you Trump asking for a favour when Zelensky says he wants to buy more missiles.

[Gravlen]

According to Republican House Devin Nunes, House Intelligence Committee Ranking Member:
The Video speaks for itself and Devin Nunes:
https://twitter.com/DevinNunes

This picture by Devin Nunes' mom speaks for itself.

https://republicans-intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=969

A few excerpts because their is a lot here:
September 26, 2019
I want to congratulate the Democrats on the rollout of their latest information warfare operation against the President, and their extraordinary ability once again to enlist the mainstream media in their campaign.

The douchebag dislikes free speech. We know that, thanks in part to his cow.

Just watch, he'll try to sue me and NationStates next, the bastard.

The Ukrainian President denies being pressured by President Trump.

Yes, while sitting next to Trump and desperately begging not to be involved in this shit.

We all read the summary, and we know the context: As Trump was withholding important aid while he was asking for a favour, the pressure was clear as day.

But that would’ve been useless for them. They don’t want answers, they want a public spectacle.

As does Trump. He's banging the big drum.

And so we’ve been treated to an unending parade of press releases, press conferences, and fake news stories.

Name one fake news story.

Joe Biden bragged that he extorted the Ukrainians into firing a prosecutor, who happened to be investigating Biden’s own son.

False. He did not extort, and Biden's son was not being investigated.

Others have rightly pointed out that, in reality, Biden was not simply relaying the message pushed by the Obama administration, but that his position was supported by Ukrainian anti-corruption activists, European allies, and even groups like the International Monetary Foundation (IMF). As Tom Malinowski, former assistant secretary of state under Obama, recalled this week, “All of us working on Ukraine wanted this prosecutor gone, because he was NOT prosecuting corruption. So did the Europeans. So did the IMF. This didn't come from Joe Biden—he just delivered our message.”

That’s all, of course, true. Anyone interested in the success of Ukraine’s democratic transition, and its efforts to clean up rampant corruption, wanted Shokin gone. But here’s something that seems to have been lost in this geopolitical shuffle. Not only was Biden not trying to protect his son, Hunter, who was then working at a Ukrainian energy company named Burisma. If anything, what the former vice president did was make the prosecution of his son’s company more likely, not less—a fact that seems to have been overlooked, but which flips Trump’s lies on their head.

I’m not the first to make this point. A few months ago, when Giuliani first began laundering his accusations through friendly voices like The Hill’s John Solomon—a man with an outsized history of whitewashing post-Soviet kleptocracies—The Intercept’s Robert Mackey tried to untangle Giuliani’s ludicrous line of logic. Mackey’s conclusion: “By getting Shokin removed, Biden in fact made it more rather than less likely that the oligarch who employed his son would be subject to prosecution for corruption.”

Trump’s Big Lie About Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Ukraine Falls Apart

“Here is why I do not say anything about Hunter Biden,” Kaleniuk explained. “Vice President Biden called for Ukraine to fire Shokin not because of the Burisma investigation, absolutely not, but because Ukraine’s prosecutor general did not investigate Burisma. U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt insisted [in early 2016] that Shokin should be investigating Burisma. The U.S. government had a clear position: the Burisma probe was killed by Shokin.” And the U.S. thought it and other cases should not have been closed.

[...]

When Hunter Biden started working with the company in May of 2014, it had just had its assets frozen in the United Kingdom, where it was investigated for money laundering.

“I realize that it is very strange that Hunter Biden was working for Burisma,” says Kaleniuk. “I might be the first one to say bad things about Joe Biden’s movements in regard to this case, but I don’t.”

Why? Because far from trying to protect his son from the broader investigation that might establish Hunter received money gained illegally by Burisma’s founder, “Joe Biden wanted to prove it,” that Burisma was crooked. “He tried to make Shokin investigate that,” Kaleniuk said.

“One thing should be clear for everybody today: Joe Biden wanted to fire the prosecutor who did not want to investigate Burisma, where his son was working. That is very important.” Kaleniuk added that “everybody wanted Shokin fired.”

Ukraine’s Top Independent Corruption Fighters Shocked by Trump’s Phone Call—and His Ignorance

For the rest read Devin Nunes official statement.

I agree, but I am sure anti Trumpers will disagree.

Of course, it's easy to disagree with lies and falsehoods.

[Gormwood]

"According to the National Security Council official to whom Newsweek spoke on condition of Anonymity" lol, anything anti Trump gets treated as fact around here, with personal insults against Donnie, Why am I not surprised lol?

Whereas you don't believe the Trump White House about the content of Trump's call with the President of Ukraine when I show you Trump asking for a favour when Zelensky says he wants to buy more missiles.

When partisan hackery enables you to go beyond Baghdad Bob levels of denial regarding evidence.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Whereas you don't believe the Trump White House about the content of Trump's call with the President of Ukraine when I show you Trump asking for a favour when Zelensky says he wants to buy more missiles.

When partisan hackery enables you to go beyond Baghdad Bob levels of denial regarding evidence.

The article says: "According to the National Security Council official to whom Newsweek spoke on condition of Anonymity"
Where is the evidence, where is the whistleblower ? Is he an anti Trumper ? lol.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

When partisan hackery enables you to go beyond Baghdad Bob levels of denial regarding evidence.

The article says: "According to the National Security Council official to whom Newsweek spoke on condition of Anonymity"
Where is the evidence, where is the whistleblower ? lol.

Do you truly wish to know what the CIA/NSA gets up to on a daily basis?

[Ifreann]

When partisan hackery enables you to go beyond Baghdad Bob levels of denial regarding evidence.

The article says: "According to the National Security Council official to whom Newsweek spoke on condition of Anonymity"
Where is the evidence, where is the whistleblower ? lol.

The White House said that Trump asked Zelensky for a favour when Zelensky said they wanted to purchase more missiles.

[Gravlen]

U.S. Officials Caught Off Guard By Trump's Shift In Northern Syria

We keep forgetting that he knows more than the generals.

Well, when the Top General of the US comes to cry in front of him in his office because the US military is out of ammo, it's understandable why he has no faith in his military men:

"When I took over our military, we did not have ammunition," Trump said. "I was told by a top general, maybe the top of them all, 'Sir, I'm sorry sir, we don't have ammunition.' I said, 'I'll never let another president have that happen to him or her.' We didn't have ammunition."

[Gormwood]

U.S. Officials Caught Off Guard By Trump's Shift In Northern Syria

We keep forgetting that he knows more than the generals.

Well, when the Top General of the US comes to cry in front of him in his office because the US military is out of ammo, it's understandable why he has no faith in his military men:

"When I took over our military, we did not have ammunition," Trump said. "I was told by a top general, maybe the top of them all, 'Sir, I'm sorry sir, we don't have ammunition.' I said, 'I'll never let another president have that happen to him or her.' We didn't have ammunition."

Just one of many examples why Fareed Zakaria openly called Donny a bullshit artist in front of a camera.

[Vassenor]

When partisan hackery enables you to go beyond Baghdad Bob levels of denial regarding evidence.

The article says: "According to the National Security Council official to whom Newsweek spoke on condition of Anonymity"
Where is the evidence, where is the whistleblower ? Is he an anti Trumper ? lol.

So because you don't know who they are and thus publicly write them off as biased against Trump for fatuous reasons then it's all lies.

[Stamp Out Trump]

Well, when the Top General of the US comes to cry in front of him in his office because the US military is out of ammo, it's understandable why he has no faith in his military men:

"When I took over our military, we did not have ammunition," Trump said. "I was told by a top general, maybe the top of them all, 'Sir, I'm sorry sir, we don't have ammunition.' I said, 'I'll never let another president have that happen to him or her.' We didn't have ammunition."

Just one of many examples why Fareed Zakaria openly called Donny a bullshit artist in front of a camera.

And that was back in the summer of 2016. None of these people who bought into Trump can say they weren't warned. Zero.

[Gormwood]

Just one of many examples why Fareed Zakaria openly called Donny a bullshit artist in front of a camera.

And that was back in the summer of 2016. None of these people who bought into Trump can say they weren't warned. Zero.

Have to wonder how many Republicans came to realize Donny is just a nonstop con job but still bend over for him due to fear of humiliation and Sunk Cost Fallacy.

[The Emerald Legion]

Well, when the Top General of the US comes to cry in front of him in his office because the US military is out of ammo, it's understandable why he has no faith in his military men:

"When I took over our military, we did not have ammunition," Trump said. "I was told by a top general, maybe the top of them all, 'Sir, I'm sorry sir, we don't have ammunition.' I said, 'I'll never let another president have that happen to him or her.' We didn't have ammunition."

Just one of many examples why Fareed Zakaria openly called Donny a bullshit artist in front of a camera.

... That was an actual thing. We had Munitions and Ammo shortages.

[Gormwood]

Just one of many examples why Fareed Zakaria openly called Donny a bullshit artist in front of a camera.

... That was an actual thing. We had Munitions and Ammo shortages.

Source? Because so far relevant articles claim that was... bullshit.

[The Emerald Legion]

... That was an actual thing. We had Munitions and Ammo shortages.

Source? Because so far relevant articles claim that was... bullshit.

Certainly not to the extent where we had none. That's total bullshit.

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-sho ... stockpile/