MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Aureumterra]

Trade agreement with Japan signed

[Loben The 2nd]

Took less than a day for the Turkish military to start wantonly attacking the SDF after Trump announced the withdrawal of US forces in Syria.

I sure am excited for the likely impending genocide.

youre likely the only one.

[Loben The 2nd]

Took less than a day for the Turkish military to start wantonly attacking the SDF after Trump announced the withdrawal of US forces in Syria.

I sure am excited for the likely impending genocide.

And it's Trump's fault.
Anyone who supports this is ok with genocide.

Ok.

[Militant Costco]

Took less than a day for the Turkish military to start wantonly attacking the SDF after Trump announced the withdrawal of US forces in Syria.

I sure am excited for the likely impending genocide.

And it's Trump's fault.
Anyone who supports this is ok with genocide.

Let's not forget that Turkey is the one doing it, not Trump. Ignoring it definitely isn't good, but I don't want to read 20 years later that the Kurdish genocide was Trump's fault entirely and let Turkey off the hook from another genocide.

[Miami Shores]

Took less than a day for the Turkish military to start wantonly attacking the SDF after Trump announced the withdrawal of US forces in Syria.

I sure am excited for the likely impending genocide.

And it's Trump's fault.
Anyone who supports this is ok with genocide.

I am on record on this thread as agreeing against the policy with Graham and Nikki Haley, and I support an independent Kurdistan state, but if the policy of withdrawal results in impending genocide those who support it are not guilty of genocide and they are not ok with genocide, they just agree with the policy of withdrawal and bringing the troops home, a campaign promise of Donnie Trump. I did not vote for Donnie Trump based on only one issue, I voted and support Donnie Trump on many issues.

[San Lumen]

And it's Trump's fault.
Anyone who supports this is ok with genocide.

I am on record on this thread as agreeing against the policy with Graham and Nikki Haley, and I support an independent Kurdistan state, but if the policy of withdrawal results in impending genocide those who support it are not guilty of genocide, are not ok with genocide, they just agree with the policy of withdrawal and bringing the troops home, a campaign promise of Donnie Trump. I did not vote for Donnie Trump based on only one issue, I voted and support Donnie Trump on many issues.

A genocide is not worth a campaign promise

[Telconi]

I am on record on this thread as agreeing against the policy with Graham and Nikki Haley, and I support an independent Kurdistan state, but if the policy of withdrawal results in impending genocide those who support it are not guilty of genocide, are not ok with genocide, they just agree with the policy of withdrawal and bringing the troops home, a campaign promise of Donnie Trump. I did not vote for Donnie Trump based on only one issue, I voted and support Donnie Trump on many issues.

A genocide is not worth a campaign promise

It's more what that promise was.

[Militant Costco]

Let's not forget that Turkey is the one doing it, not Trump. Ignoring it definitely isn't good, but I don't want to read 20 years later that the Kurdish genocide was Trump's fault entirely and let Turkey off the hook from another genocide.

Yes but Trump made it possible.

Possibility doesn't mean responsibility. As soon as the genocide occurs, every nation will technically be responsible under your logic.

[Telconi]

Let's not forget that Turkey is the one doing it, not Trump. Ignoring it definitely isn't good, but I don't want to read 20 years later that the Kurdish genocide was Trump's fault entirely and let Turkey off the hook from another genocide.

Yes but Trump made it possible.

Not stopping a thing does not make you responsible for it. If my neighbor Bob beats up my other neighbor Joe while I'm at work, it's not suddenly my fault Joe gets hurt.

[Torrocca]

And it's Trump's fault.
Anyone who supports this is ok with genocide.

Let's not forget that Turkey is the one doing it, not Trump. Ignoring it definitely isn't good, but I don't want to read 20 years later that the Kurdish genocide was Trump's fault entirely and let Turkey off the hook from another genocide.

It's a likely genocide that's been made possible by Trump's actions. He's as much an involved party in whatever impending atrocities occur in Northern Syria as Erdogan is.

[Telconi]

Yes but Trump made it possible.

Possibility doesn't mean responsibility. As soon as the genocide occurs, every nation will technically be responsible under your logic.

Those damned Montenegrans, not stopping the Turkish army from killing Kurds.

[Telconi]

Let's not forget that Turkey is the one doing it, not Trump. Ignoring it definitely isn't good, but I don't want to read 20 years later that the Kurdish genocide was Trump's fault entirely and let Turkey off the hook from another genocide.

It's a likely genocide that's been made possible by Trump's actions. He's as much an involved party in whatever impending atrocities occur in Northern Syria as Erdogan is.

Only in your imagination.

[Ngelmish]

Yes but Trump made it possible.

Not stopping a thing does not make you responsible for it. If my neighbor Bob beats up my other neighbor Joe while I'm at work, it's not suddenly my fault Joe gets hurt.

If there was a constraint in place that prevent Bob from beating Joe that you would removed, like, say the key that locked Bob in the basement, then you (like Trump, removing the deterrents in this case) are very much responsible.

Would you like to try not being pedantically obtuse, now?

[Miami Shores]

Let's not forget that Turkey is the one doing it, not Trump. Ignoring it definitely isn't good, but I don't want to read 20 years later that the Kurdish genocide was Trump's fault entirely and let Turkey off the hook from another genocide.

It's a likely genocide that's been made possible by Trump's actions. He's as much an involved party in whatever impending atrocities occur in Northern Syria as Erdogan is.

But Donnie is not guilty of whatever outcome happens, Donnie did not commit or order the actual outcomes, I hope it doesn't happen that way, but I am against this policy of Donnie.

[Militant Costco]

Let's not forget that Turkey is the one doing it, not Trump. Ignoring it definitely isn't good, but I don't want to read 20 years later that the Kurdish genocide was Trump's fault entirely and let Turkey off the hook from another genocide.

It's a likely genocide that's been made possible by Trump's actions. He's as much an involved party in whatever impending atrocities occur in Northern Syria as Erdogan is.

First part is correct, second is absolutely not. This just takes away responsibility for what Turkey is doing. They are an independent nation capable of doing what they say, it's not our job to hold their hands when they need help and stop them when they commit wrongdoings. If we blame Trump for this shit, later down the road Turkey is going to start saying it was Trump who allowed the genocide to happen and thus they aren't responsible for it.

[Telconi]

Not stopping a thing does not make you responsible for it. If my neighbor Bob beats up my other neighbor Joe while I'm at work, it's not suddenly my fault Joe gets hurt.

If there was a constraint in place that prevent Bob from beating Joe that you would removed, like, say the key that locked Bob in the basement, then you (like Trump, removing the deterrents in this case) are very much responsible.

Would you like to try not being pedantically obtuse, now?

Only if I'm under some obligation to restrain Bob.

[Militant Costco]

Not stopping a thing does not make you responsible for it. If my neighbor Bob beats up my other neighbor Joe while I'm at work, it's not suddenly my fault Joe gets hurt.

If there was a constraint in place that prevent Bob from beating Joe that you would removed, like, say the key that locked Bob in the basement, then you (like Trump, removing the deterrents in this case) are very much responsible.

Would you like to try not being pedantically obtuse, now?

If you somehow allowed some way for Bob to beat up Joe, that doesn't mean you committed the same crime as Bob.

[Torrocca]

It's a likely genocide that's been made possible by Trump's actions. He's as much an involved party in whatever impending atrocities occur in Northern Syria as Erdogan is.

First part is correct, second is absolutely not. This just takes away responsibility for what Turkey is doing. They are an independent nation capable of doing what they say, it's not our job to hold their hands when they need help and stop them when they commit wrongdoings. If we blame Trump for this shit, later down the road Turkey is going to start saying it was Trump who allowed the genocide to happen and thus they aren't responsible for it.

It doesn't take away Turkey's own responsibility for the atrocities to come by any stretch, but we can't ignore the fact of the matter that Trump's also implicitly responsible for them by taking away the very thing that was deterring these atrocities in the first place.

[Telconi]

First part is correct, second is absolutely not. This just takes away responsibility for what Turkey is doing. They are an independent nation capable of doing what they say, it's not our job to hold their hands when they need help and stop them when they commit wrongdoings. If we blame Trump for this shit, later down the road Turkey is going to start saying it was Trump who allowed the genocide to happen and thus they aren't responsible for it.

It doesn't take away Turkey's own responsibility for the atrocities to come by any stretch, but we can't ignore the fact of the matter that Trump's also implicitly responsible for them by taking away the very thing that was deterring these atrocities in the first place.

This isn't a fact, this is your belief.

[Miami Shores]

It doesn't take away Turkey's own responsibility for the atrocities to come by any stretch, but we can't ignore the fact of the matter that Trump's also implicitly responsible for them by taking away the very thing that was deterring these atrocities in the first place.

This isn't a fact, this is your belief.

I second this post.

[Militant Costco]

First part is correct, second is absolutely not. This just takes away responsibility for what Turkey is doing. They are an independent nation capable of doing what they say, it's not our job to hold their hands when they need help and stop them when they commit wrongdoings. If we blame Trump for this shit, later down the road Turkey is going to start saying it was Trump who allowed the genocide to happen and thus they aren't responsible for it.

It doesn't take away Turkey's own responsibility for the atrocities to come by any stretch, but we can't ignore the fact of the matter that Trump's also implicitly responsible for them by taking away the very thing that was deterring these atrocities in the first place.

Failure of prevention doesn't equate to being responsible for that crime. Unless Trump actively supported Turkey in the genocide, then he's not responsible for it. Turkey would have called our bluff if we had threatened anything, and had war started or sanctions been applied, Turkey would have started the genocide anyways.

Under your logic, Iran and Russia are responsible for America's crimes in Iraq since Russia could have stopped the U.S. diplomatically and Iran could have intervened physically. Yet we don't hold these nations responsible for good reasons.

[Miami Shores]

It doesn't take away Turkey's own responsibility for the atrocities to come by any stretch, but we can't ignore the fact of the matter that Trump's also implicitly responsible for them by taking away the very thing that was deterring these atrocities in the first place.

Failure of prevention doesn't equate to being responsible for that crime. Unless Trump actively supported Turkey in the genocide, then he's not responsible for it. Turkey would have called our bluff if we had threatened anything, and had war started or sanctions been applied, Turkey would have started the genocide anyways.

Under your logic, Iran and Russia are responsible for America's crimes in Iraq since Russia could have stopped the U.S. diplomatically and Iran could have intervened physically. Yet we don't hold these nations responsible for good reasons.

I second this post.

[Torrocca]

It doesn't take away Turkey's own responsibility for the atrocities to come by any stretch, but we can't ignore the fact of the matter that Trump's also implicitly responsible for them by taking away the very thing that was deterring these atrocities in the first place.

Failure of prevention doesn't equate to being responsible for that crime. Unless Trump actively supported Turkey in the genocide, then he's not responsible for it. Turkey would have called our bluff if we had threatened anything, and had war started or sanctions been applied, Turkey would have started the genocide anyways.

Under your logic, Iran and Russia are responsible for America's crimes in Iraq since Russia could have stopped the U.S. diplomatically and Iran could have intervened physically. Yet we don't hold these nations responsible for good reasons.

I don't care about legal responsibility or whatever hocus-pocus shit is being used to justify why Trump can't possibly be blamed for knowingly and willingly taking actions that create a severely dangerous situation for the Kurds, I care about the fact of the matter that it's morally and ethically reprehensible on every level imaginable.

You might not be legally responsible for throwing open the door to one of your friends' homes to let another friend come in to kill them, knowing they were waiting on the other side to kill them, but you're sure as shit an absolute piece of shit for doing it.

Actually, you probably would be legally responsible for that in the form of aiding and abetting, which is basically what Trump's doing by knowingly giving Turkey the greenlight to invade Northern Syria.

[Duhon]

Took less than a day for the Turkish military to start wantonly attacking the SDF after Trump announced the withdrawal of US forces in Syria.

I sure am excited for the likely impending genocide.

waiting for the great unmatched mind to start applying the mandate of heaven

anytime now

[Duhon]

Possibility doesn't mean responsibility. As soon as the genocide occurs, every nation will technically be responsible under your logic.

Those damned Montenegrans, not stopping the Turkish army from killing Kurds.

what is your fucking point

And it's Trump's fault.
Anyone who supports this is ok with genocide.

Ok.

i know your fucking point
just stop