MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Bear Stearns]

So we should have kept spending money to station troops there? When the Cold War was over?

You want Europe to spend actual effort on defence yet you do not condemn the unprecedented cannibalisation of the forces that was there in Europe in 1989. What the fuck do you want?

For Europe to handle its own shit for once. It's a wealthy continent. What gives?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You want Europe to spend actual effort on defence yet you do not condemn the unprecedented cannibalisation of the forces that was there in Europe in 1989. What the fuck do you want?

Those weren't European forces.

What is BAOR? Where is BAOR right now?

[Valrifell]

This is extremely preventable and requires starting zero new conflicts, I thought you'd be fond of that aspect of that.

We can do our part by not starting any conflicts ourselves and just going home. The burden is on them to also not start conflicts.

You seem to not be getting the point that by maintaining a border presence a conflict is prevented entirely. By leaving we are starting a conflict, we were already there anyway, so staying there was just the status quo.

Yes, yes, ideally no interventions and whatnot. However, we're there now staying there changes nothing whereas leaving has the potential for very negative outcomes.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

You want Europe to spend actual effort on defence yet you do not condemn the unprecedented cannibalisation of the forces that was there in Europe in 1989. What the fuck do you want?

For Europe to handle its own shit for once. It's a wealthy continent. What gives?

The whole 2 months and a penstroke to destroy a regiment and 200 years to raise a regiment thing.

[Telconi]

Those weren't European forces.

What is BAOR? Where is BAOR right now?

Well given that it's not called AAOR I don't think American had anything to do with that.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

What is BAOR? Where is BAOR right now?

Well given that it's not called AAOR I don't think American had anything to do with that.

Ok American. How big is the VII Corps rn vs its size in 1989?

[Bear Stearns]

We never voted to become an empire.

No. But the USA partially adopted a certain kind of faustian spirit post WW2 and with the establishment of the security state, military-industrial complex it developed an vehicle for this spirit to take hold and dominate US politics ever since.

This is certainly true regarding the US establishment that took power around the 1940s and replaced the old robber baron class that got obliterated by the Depression. But I don't think it's true regarding the American people. I think they would have returned to isolationism in the 1950s if not for the Red Scare.

I should add that the essence of this stands inherently in opposition to the original ideas the US were once founded upon and as well the constitution and much of the surrounding thought.

Duh.

It's like a form of demonic possession. And it has remarkable made well use of it's vessel so far, elevating it to superpower status and brought it to the moon... at a price.

American foreign policy from the 20th Century on is truly insane.

[Telconi]

Well given that it's not called AAOR I don't think American had anything to do with that.

Ok American. How big is the VII Corps rn vs its size in 1989?

Those aren't European forces.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Well given that it's not called AAOR I don't think American had anything to do with that.

Ok American. How big is the VII Corps rn vs its size in 1989?

Orite the VII Corps ceased to exist in 1992.

[Gravlen]

>Mandate of Heaven

...Did Trump finally declare himself emperor then?

What now?

Trumps senior religious advisor Pat "The Pope" Robertson comes back from the grave to warn Trump that he is in great danger of "losing the mandate of Heaven" if he permits the withdrawal of forces from Northern Syria to happen.

[Major-Tom]

An American is more valuable than anyone from that part of the world.

A human life is a human life regardless of location of birth, which is arbitrary.

You are entirely correct. But we can assist the Kurds with aid and whatever else they may need as opposed to just throwing troops at the problem. Turkey could quite possibly escalate things in the Kurdish regions, and if they would choose to do so, then we'd have a moral precedent to step in all the while avoiding military escalation, except as a last resort.

But ISIS is fucking dead, they're off the map. And the Kurdish people, wonderful as they are, aren't all belonging to the "dotingly Pro-American, liberationist and enlightened rebel groups." There is a substantial grey area there as well.

I think all of us are wary of any tangible involvement in the Middle East. Just this once, I have to agree with Trump. A broken clock is right twice a day.

[Nakena]

This is certainly true regarding the US establishment that took power around the 1940s and replaced the old robber baron class that got obliterated by the Depression. But I don't think it's true regarding the American people. I think they would have returned to isolationism in the 1950s if not for the Red Scare.

Very likely werent it for the Red Scare, Codl War, Space Race and the conflict with the USSR the US would have returned to isolationism in some degree. Its almost as if the USSR fulfilled a purpose.

Thanks Ludendorff, you did well.

Duh.

Its quite the opposite idea of "I just want to be left alone" its the idea of getting involved and drive things forward.

It's like a form of demonic possession. And it has remarkable made well use of it's vessel so far, elevating it to superpower status and brought it to the moon... at a price.

American foreign policy from the 20th Century on is truly insane.

Depends on the metric. Insane as it has been doing all those things... or insane due the inconsistency and inconsequence with whom all this insanity has been applied? :^)

[Gormwood]

"And also internet user Gravlen"

Hey everybody! We're all gonna get laid impeached! *Dangerfield.jpg*

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That said, I'd like to see more of Trump's tweets in this format:

Should have been Oranged.

[Vassenor]

"And also internet user Gravlen"

Hey everybody! We're all gonna get laid impeached! *Dangerfield.jpg*

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That said, I'd like to see more of Trump's tweets in this format:

Like that time someone put a David Cameron speech in the mouth of Doctor Doom?

[Gormwood]

Hey everybody! We're all gonna get laid impeached! *Dangerfield.jpg*

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That said, I'd like to see more of Trump's tweets in this format:

Like that time someone put a David Cameron speech in the mouth of Doctor Doom?

I hope that was the only thing Cameron put in Doctor Doom's mouth.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Like that time someone put a David Cameron speech in the mouth of Doctor Doom?

I hope that was the only thing Cameron put in Doctor Doom's mouth.

Now, now, Doctor Doom is not a pig corpse.

[Ghost Land]

This is actually the second time America has done this against the Kurds for the record. The first time lead to gassings.

That happens when an Empire's policy changes every 4-8 years randomly and unpredictably based on the outcome of popularity contests.

Agreed, even without the emoticon. I'd like to see a stable benevolent autocracy that actually represents the people as opposed to, exactly as you said, popularity contests causing complete 180s on our country's direction.

But you have one. Now if you don't defend it the US will become like all the other former powers. Beholden to the biggest swinging dick in the playground. At the moment that looks like it will become China or India. Do you want US shipping to be at the mercy of the whims of the Chinese military?

We never voted to become an empire.

Well, we are literally twice as big as the Roman Empire was even at its greatest extent, so it's a pretty apt comparison.

[Moral Absolutism Inc]

Hey everybody! We're all gonna get laid impeached! *Dangerfield.jpg*

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That said, I'd like to see more of Trump's tweets in this format:

Should have been Oranged.

I heard Iran and Russia are both messing with our election. Hard to see Iran helping out Donald Trump. I guess that would mean they'd be trying to defeat him.

*Jimmy Carter makes face*

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Why is Politico suddenly the anti-Trumper’s #1 enemy now?

[Vassenor]

Why is Politico suddenly the anti-Trumper’s #1 enemy now?

Based on what?

[Militant Costco]

Hey everybody! We're all gonna get laid impeached! *Dangerfield.jpg*

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That said, I'd like to see more of Trump's tweets in this format:

Like that time someone put a David Cameron speech in the mouth of Doctor Doom?

If this is true, this wouldn't be the first time David Cameron's stuck something of his inside another's mouth.

[Duhon]

and now it seems trump in his infinite wisdom has hereby ordered the us to back out of the open skies treaty, allowing it and its allies to monitor russian military deployments

oh and it's putin's birthday don't you guys know

happy birthday volodya
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maximum damage
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[Valrifell]

A human life is a human life regardless of location of birth, which is arbitrary.

You are entirely correct. But we can assist the Kurds with aid and whatever else they may need as opposed to just throwing troops at the problem. Turkey could quite possibly escalate things in the Kurdish regions, and if they would choose to do so, then we'd have a moral precedent to step in all the while avoiding military escalation, except as a last resort.

But ISIS is fucking dead, they're off the map. And the Kurdish people, wonderful as they are, aren't all belonging to the "dotingly Pro-American, liberationist and enlightened rebel groups." There is a substantial grey area there as well.

I think all of us are wary of any tangible involvement in the Middle East. Just this once, I have to agree with Trump. A broken clock is right twice a day.

I'm not saying we declare war on Turkey, I'm saying we keep patrolling the border and apply economic pressure to dissway them from launching a military occupation and displacing the Kurds, which is their plan.

The politics of the situation don't factor in, preventing the most amount of violence means leaving US troops on the border until we have assurances Turkey won't fuck up the situation infinitely more than it already is, because believe it or not, other nationstates are totally capable of screwing up occupations and doing horrendous things.

This is not even to mention that abandoning a long-term US ally like this is a real bad look.

Why the fuck should we wait for the Turks to start ethnically cleansing Northern Syria when we already know that's what they intend to do? Literally what sense does that make?

[Neutraligon]

Why does Trump seem to be insisting on destroying our ability to provide pressure abroad. This somewhat what I was worried about when he was elected, that he would fail badly at foreign policy.

[Militant Costco]

You are entirely correct. But we can assist the Kurds with aid and whatever else they may need as opposed to just throwing troops at the problem. Turkey could quite possibly escalate things in the Kurdish regions, and if they would choose to do so, then we'd have a moral precedent to step in all the while avoiding military escalation, except as a last resort.

But ISIS is fucking dead, they're off the map. And the Kurdish people, wonderful as they are, aren't all belonging to the "dotingly Pro-American, liberationist and enlightened rebel groups." There is a substantial grey area there as well.

I think all of us are wary of any tangible involvement in the Middle East. Just this once, I have to agree with Trump. A broken clock is right twice a day.

I'm not saying we declare war on Turkey, I'm saying we keep patrolling the border and apply economic pressure to dissway them from launching a military occupation and displacing the Kurds, which is their plan.

The politics of the situation don't factor in, preventing the most amount of violence means leaving US troops on the border until we have assurances Turkey won't fuck up the situation infinitely more than it already is, because believe it or not, other nationstates are totally capable of screwing up occupations and doing horrendous things.

This is not even to mention that abandoning a long-term US ally like this is a real bad look.

Why the fuck should we wait for the Turks to start ethnically cleansing Northern Syria when we already know that's what they intend to do? Literally what sense does that make?

Turkey already has very little incentives to stay in NATO and right now, we gain a lot more from them being an ally than they do from us. Pressure them the wrong way, and you'll push Turkey into the hands of Russia, and then we really won't be able to do jack when they start murdering the Kurds.