MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Cannot think of a name]

>Mandate of Heaven

...Did Trump finally declare himself emperor then?

What now?

[Telconi]

alienating a mideastern tribe was what led to 9/11
as much as pulling back on us overseas military commitments would be right in my book
exposing the kurds to genocide is simply not it

So what do we do, if we intervene we alienate one tribe, because we stopped their conquest. If we don't we alienate the other tribe, for not defending them from conquest.

Real Sophie's Choice there...

[Republican President Donald J Trump USA]

>Mandate of Heaven

...Did Trump finally declare himself emperor then?

lol I'm having a lol attack good one Vassenor.

USA and Miami Shores.

[Telconi]

We never voted to become an empire.

US voters never voted for Trump to be President. But due to the vagaries of the US political system, here we are.

They did tho.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

So what do we do, if we intervene we alienate one tribe, because we stopped their conquest. If we don't we alienate the other tribe, for not defending them from conquest.

Real Sophie's Choice there...

Start by alienating the medieval mullahs of Riyadh.

[Valrifell]

So what do we do, if we intervene we alienate one tribe, because we stopped their conquest. If we don't we alienate the other tribe, for not defending them from conquest.

Real Sophie's Choice there...

Calling them tribes isn't very cash money of you, it has bad connotations that I would hope you're aware of.

Also, preferably we would side with the group of people not about to ethnically cleanse a region of the world.

[Duhon]

So what do we do, if we intervene we alienate one tribe, because we stopped their conquest. If we don't we alienate the other tribe, for not defending them from conquest.

Real Sophie's Choice there...

turkey has been cockblocked from genocide for decades now
i think they can endure for a bit more

[Nakena]

So what do we do, if we intervene we alienate one tribe, because we stopped their conquest. If we don't we alienate the other tribe, for not defending them from conquest.

Real Sophie's Choice there...

Calling them tribes isn't very cash money of you, it has bad connotations that I would hope you're aware of.

Also, preferably we would side with the group of people not about to ethnically cleanse a region of the world.

The europeans won't do jackshit because Erdogan can blackmail them as he knows of their weakness and unwillingness to defend their nations against the hordes of refugees he could unleash at them at any given moment.

[Bear Stearns]

So what do we do, if we intervene we alienate one tribe, because we stopped their conquest. If we don't we alienate the other tribe, for not defending them from conquest.

Real Sophie's Choice there...

Calling them tribes isn't very cash money of you, it has bad connotations that I would hope you're aware of.

Also, preferably we would side with the group of people not about to ethnically cleanse a region of the world.

That's literally the entire Middle East. Even the supposedly "civilized" countries there like Israel aren't above a good ol' genocide. Why should any of it be our problem? They can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

[Fartsniffage]

US voters never voted for Trump to be President. But due to the vagaries of the US political system, here we are.

They did tho.

Yes dear.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Europe's economy grew faster than America's throughout most of the 80s, 90s, and early 2000s. What'd you guys do with all of that wealth?

Look in the casinos of Monaco.

Shitposting aside. Maybe spending the whole 1990's and 2000's cutting away 80% of the military forces that were in Europe in 1989 because "muh peace dividend" was one of the worst ideas ever implemented.

[Telconi]

So what do we do, if we intervene we alienate one tribe, because we stopped their conquest. If we don't we alienate the other tribe, for not defending them from conquest.

Real Sophie's Choice there...

Start by alienating the medieval mullahs of Riyadh.

The mullahs of ExxonMobil said we can't.

[Bear Stearns]

Calling them tribes isn't very cash money of you, it has bad connotations that I would hope you're aware of.

Also, preferably we would side with the group of people not about to ethnically cleanse a region of the world.

The europeans won't do jackshit because Erdogan can blackmail them as he knows of their weakness and unwillingness to defend their nations against the hordes of refugees he could unleash at them at any given moment.

All this does is confirm that our intervention in the Middle East since like the 1940s has been a complete disaster.

[Nakena]

But you have one. Now if you don't defend it the US will become like all the other former powers. Beholden to the biggest swinging dick in the playground. At the moment that looks like it will become China or India. Do you want US shipping to be at the mercy of the whims of the Chinese military?

We never voted to become an empire.

No. But the USA partially adopted a certain kind of faustian spirit post WW2 and with the establishment of the security state, military-industrial complex it developed an vehicle for this spirit to take hold and dominate US politics ever since.

I should add that the essence of this stands inherently in opposition to the original ideas the US were once founded upon and as well the constitution and much of the surrounding thought.

It's like a form of demonic possession. And it has remarkable made well use of it's vessel so far, elevating it to superpower status and brought it to the moon... at a price.

[Bear Stearns]

Look in the casinos of Monaco.

Shitposting aside. Maybe spending the whole 1990's and 2000's cutting away 80% of the military forces that were in Europe in 1989 because "muh peace dividend" was one of the worst ideas ever implemented.

So we should have kept spending money to station troops there? When the Cold War was over?

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Start by alienating the medieval mullahs of Riyadh.

The mullahs of ExxonMobil said we can't.

Maybe it's time then to nationalise, fire the mullahs and divide the monster then?

[Valrifell]

Calling them tribes isn't very cash money of you, it has bad connotations that I would hope you're aware of.

Also, preferably we would side with the group of people not about to ethnically cleanse a region of the world.

That's literally the entire Middle East. Even the supposedly "civilized" countries there like Israel aren't above a good ol' genocide. Why should any of it be our problem? They can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

This is extremely preventable and requires starting zero new conflicts, I thought you'd be fond of that aspect of that.

[Bear Stearns]

So what do we do, if we intervene we alienate one tribe, because we stopped their conquest. If we don't we alienate the other tribe, for not defending them from conquest.

Real Sophie's Choice there...

Start by alienating the medieval mullahs of Riyadh.

I'd be fine with leaving them out to dry. Let's secretly give the Saudis and Iranians nukes and then bet on who blinks first.

[Bear Stearns]

That's literally the entire Middle East. Even the supposedly "civilized" countries there like Israel aren't above a good ol' genocide. Why should any of it be our problem? They can all go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

This is extremely preventable and requires starting zero new conflicts, I thought you'd be fond of that aspect of that.

We can do our part by not starting any conflicts ourselves and just going home. The burden is on them to also not start conflicts.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Start by alienating the medieval mullahs of Riyadh.

I'd be fine with leaving them out to dry. Let's secretly give the Saudis and Iranians nukes and then bet on who blinks first.

You are not doing your argument that bankers do in fact have morals a favour here. Next guy to suggest handing out atom bombs to the Saudis shall volunteer to be nuked first.

[Telconi]

The mullahs of ExxonMobil said we can't.

Maybe it's time then to nationalise, fire the mullahs and divide the monster then?

We tried that, remember Standard Oil, turns out it's like a starfish and each part just grows a new monster.

[Bear Stearns]

We never voted to become an empire.

US voters never voted for Trump to be President. But due to the vagaries of the US political system, here we are.

Well it's wrong and we should change it by not electing politicians backed by corporations.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Shitposting aside. Maybe spending the whole 1990's and 2000's cutting away 80% of the military forces that were in Europe in 1989 because "muh peace dividend" was one of the worst ideas ever implemented.

So we should have kept spending money to station troops there? When the Cold War was over?

You want Europe to spend actual effort on defence yet you do not condemn the unprecedented cannibalisation of the forces that was there in Europe in 1989. What the fuck do you want?

[Bear Stearns]

I'd be fine with leaving them out to dry. Let's secretly give the Saudis and Iranians nukes and then bet on who blinks first.

You are not doing your argument that bankers do in fact have morals a favour here. Next guy to suggest handing out atom bombs to the Saudis shall volunteer to be nuked first.

It was a joke. Iran would obliterate them though.

[Telconi]

So we should have kept spending money to station troops there? When the Cold War was over?

You want Europe to spend actual effort on defence yet you do not condemn the unprecedented cannibalisation of the forces that was there in Europe in 1989. What the fuck do you want?

Those weren't European forces.