MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Duhon]

I saw a FOX news article saying the whistleblower worked with house democrats before the report was released. Is it real or fake news?

true, only i read it was with schiff specifically as he's head of the senate intelligence committee
whistleblower did act according to protocol by reaching out to schiff
but given schiff's earlier denial when asked, i can't imagine this going over well

[Spirit of Hope]

I saw a FOX news article saying the whistleblower worked with house democrats before the report was released. Is it real or fake news?

It's real, in that before they made the whistle blower complaint they approached the chairmen of the House Intelligence Committee. An aid to the representative talked to the whistle blower, and told the whistle blower that the best way forward was to file a whistle blower complaint. The aid then told the representative about the conversation, including some details, but apparently didn't reveal the identity of the whistle blower.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I saw a FOX news article saying the whistleblower worked with house democrats before the report was released. Is it real or fake news?

It has been published on the New York Times the original source of the article. I will eventually post it.

[Zurkerx]

I saw a FOX news article saying the whistleblower worked with house democrats before the report was released. Is it real or fake news?

It's real, in that before they made the whistle blower complaint they approached the chairmen of the House Intelligence Committee. An aid to the representative talked to the whistle blower, and told the whistle blower that the best way forward was to file a whistle blower complaint. The aid then told the representative about the conversation, including some details, but apparently didn't reveal the identity of the whistle blower.

That's actually correct, and Trump made it sound like Schiff wrote the damn thing. Not surprising Trump lied about it: he tries to discredit anything bad about him by finding the smallest of things and hopes it sticks.

[Greater Miami Shores]

I saw a FOX news article saying the whistleblower worked with house democrats before the report was released. Is it real or fake news?

It's real, in that before they made the whistle blower complaint they approached the chairmen of the House Intelligence Committee. An aid to the representative talked to the whistle blower, and told the whistle blower that the best way forward was to file a whistle blower complaint. The aid then told the representative about the conversation, including some details, but apparently didn't reveal the identity of the whistle blower.

Democrat Adam Schiff had said he did not know anything about it, Adam Schiff lied. Democrat Adam Schiff read on national TV
a biased summary of the phone conversation of Donnie twisting Donnie's words to make it sound worse, it is disgraceful.

[Spirit of Hope]

It's real, in that before they made the whistle blower complaint they approached the chairmen of the House Intelligence Committee. An aid to the representative talked to the whistle blower, and told the whistle blower that the best way forward was to file a whistle blower complaint. The aid then told the representative about the conversation, including some details, but apparently didn't reveal the identity of the whistle blower.

Democrat Adam Schiff had said he did not know anything about it, Adam Schiff lied. Democrat Adam Schiff read on national TV
a biased summary of the phone conversation of Donnie twisting Donnie's words to make it sound worse, it is disgraceful.

And President Trump has lied on multiple occasions, including on national television, on his twitter, and from the oval office. If the worst thing you can say about Representative Schiff is that he lied about how much he knew about the whistle blower before the complaint was made then you don't have a lot to complain about.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

Democrat Adam Schiff had said he did not know anything about it, Adam Schiff lied. Democrat Adam Schiff read on national TV
a biased summary of the phone conversation of Donnie twisting Donnie's words to make it sound worse, it is disgraceful.

And President Trump has lied on multiple occasions, including on national television, on his twitter, and from the oval office. If the worst thing you can say about Representative Schiff is that he lied about how much he knew about the whistle blower before the complaint was made then you don't have a lot to complain about.

That's a tu quoque fallacy. I'm no fan of our dear leader, but don't excuse Schiff.

[Spirit of Hope]

And President Trump has lied on multiple occasions, including on national television, on his twitter, and from the oval office. If the worst thing you can say about Representative Schiff is that he lied about how much he knew about the whistle blower before the complaint was made then you don't have a lot to complain about.

That's a tu quoque fallacy. I'm no fan of our dear leader, but don't excuse Schiff.

From what I understand Representative Schiff said he didn't receive a copy of the report before it was sent to the Inspector General, which media reporting appears to back up. What happened is a potential whistle blower approached the Representatives office with information, an aid met with the whistle blower, got some of the information, and told the whistle blower the best way forward was to file a whistle blower complaint. So Representative Schiff knew some details, and that a complaint was coming. He did not know the identity of the whistle blower, all of the details, or have a copy of the report. All both legal and, as far as I can tell, truthful.

[Jean-Paul Sartre]

That's a tu quoque fallacy. I'm no fan of our dear leader, but don't excuse Schiff.

From what I understand Representative Schiff said he didn't receive a copy of the report before it was sent to the Inspector General, which media reporting appears to back up. What happened is a potential whistle blower approached the Representatives office with information, an aid met with the whistle blower, got some of the information, and told the whistle blower the best way forward was to file a whistle blower complaint. So Representative Schiff knew some details, and that a complaint was coming. He did not know the identity of the whistle blower, all of the details, or have a copy of the report. All both legal and, as far as I can tell, truthful.

Fair enough.

[Fartsniffage]

just saw clips of trump really unhinged going at it with the media using the finn president as a stick to hit them with

i mean
yeah he's gonna go postal soon

Donnie has a right to defend himself against a political impeachment effort by the Democrats, I would, you would and we would if we were President of America.

Is it possible that Donnie did not commit an impeachable crime?

This thread needs a Public Poll, I hope the Moderators will allow us to create Public Polls on our General and RP threads again on all issues including this one?

At this point it seems unlikely that Trump hasn't committed an impeachable crime.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Democrat Adam Schiff had said he did not know anything about it, Adam Schiff lied. Democrat Adam Schiff read on national TV
a biased summary of the phone conversation of Donnie twisting Donnie's words to make it sound worse, it is disgraceful.

And President Trump has lied on multiple occasions, including on national television, on his twitter, and from the oval office. If the worst thing you can say about Representative Schiff is that he lied about how much he knew about the whistle blower before the complaint was made then you don't have a lot to complain about.

Biased Democrat Adam Schiff should be investigate it by the Senate Republicans, I hear they are going to investigate many Democrats related to the Ukraine issue, Joe Biden, his son Hunter and other Democrats.

Their is a letter written by 3 Democrat Senators threatening Ukraine to do things their way against the Republicans on the Ukraine issue or future aid could be in trouble t it when I have it, I believe it will be presented by Republicans on the House committee.

[Auze]

Really cool how you all jump at Vass here, but didn't see fit to enlighten Nea Byzantia about the additional sources provided just a few posts after the one he quoted or about the link in the Mother Jones article to a recording of the radio show in question.

You expect people to listen to sources that contradict their narratives that can't be written off out of hand with accusations of bias?

Nope. Just that in doing that, more often than not, primus es.

Been a while since Latin class, not sure if grammar is correct.

Donnie has a right to defend himself against a political impeachment effort by the Democrats, I would, you would and we would if we were President of America.

Is it possible that Donnie did not commit an impeachable crime?

This thread needs a Public Poll, I hope the Moderators will allow us to create Public Polls on our General and RP threads again on all issues including this one?

At this point it seems unlikely that Trump hasn't committed an impeachable crime.

That is for sure.

[Repubblica Fascista Sociale Italiana]

Donnie has a right to defend himself against a political impeachment effort by the Democrats, I would, you would and we would if we were President of America.

Is it possible that Donnie did not commit an impeachable crime?

This thread needs a Public Poll, I hope the Moderators will allow us to create Public Polls on our General and RP threads again on all issues including this one?

At this point it seems unlikely that Trump hasn't committed an impeachable crime.

Let’s hope its more convincing than “lying under oath about sex”

[Greater Miami Shores]

You expect people to listen to sources that contradict their narratives that can't be written off out of hand with accusations of bias?

Nope. Just that in doing that, more often than not, primus es.

Been a while since Latin class, not sure if grammar is correct.

At this point it seems unlikely that Trump hasn't committed an impeachable crime.

That is for sure.

I think you are correct Vassenor, thank you. But I think 99 % of us have all ready made up our minds either way, and nothing we say or post will change each others minds on both sides of the issue.

[Fartsniffage]

At this point it seems unlikely that Trump hasn't committed an impeachable crime.

Let’s hope its more convincing than “lying under oath about sex”

....have you watched the news over that past few days? He's in trouble, and in trouble for something serious. Even Republicans might look askance at him asking Ukraine to influence an American election.

[Bombadil]

It would be highly ironic, given his repeated charges against Hillary Clinton and part of his enquiries with Ukraine being about some secret server that..

“I think the conversations between Trump and world leaders stored in the White House server are critical, and could very well seal his fate,” said Chris Whipple, author The Gatekeepers: How the White House Chiefs of Staff Define Every Presidency.

According to CNN, the president’s phone calls with Putin and the Saudi crown prince Mohammed bin Salman so alarmed White House officials that aides took “remarkable steps to keep from becoming public”. This included storing reconstructed transcripts of the calls on “a highly classified computer system” normally intended for closely guarded government secrets.

A note in the complaint’s appendix said: “According to White House officials I spoke with, this was ‘not the first time’ under this administration that a Presidential transcript was placed into this codeword-level system solely for the purpose of protecting politically sensitive – rather than national security sensitive – information.”

Kamarck added: “Now, I would assume that at some point in this process a subgroup of Democrats and Republicans with the properly high security clearances are going to have a look at that server and they’re going to have to say, ‘What’s in here? Is it all covert operations and military movements, or is it something else?’

“What makes you suspicious is that server began to be used the day after the famous meeting between Trump and the Russian foreign minister and the Russian ambassador, where they threw out the Americans and let the Russians stay. So there’s just a lot more to happen here.”

[Genivaria]

I saw a FOX news article saying the whistleblower worked with house democrats before the report was released. Is it real or fake news?

They're lying, they don't even know who the whisteblower is so how the fuck do they know their history?

[Bombadil]

I saw a FOX news article saying the whistleblower worked with house democrats before the report was released. Is it real or fake news?

They're lying, they don't even know who the whisteblower is so how the fuck do they know their history?

Honestly if you read FOX you'd think this is a scandal about Biden. 538.com ran an analysis of keywords across media and FOX is severely skewed to talking about Ukraine and Biden as a scandal.

[Fartsniffage]

They're lying, they don't even know who the whisteblower is so how the fuck do they know their history?

Honestly if you read FOX you'd think this is a scandal about Biden. 538.com ran an analysis of keywords across media and FOX is severely skewed to talking about Ukraine and Biden as a scandal.

I'm shocked to my core. Honestly.

[Thermodolia]

I saw a FOX news article saying the whistleblower worked with house democrats before the report was released. Is it real or fake news?

Fake. The intelligence committee has no memory of the whistleblower

[Zurkerx]

They're lying, they don't even know who the whisteblower is so how the fuck do they know their history?

Honestly if you read FOX you'd think this is a scandal about Biden. 538.com ran an analysis of keywords across media and FOX is severely skewed to talking about Ukraine and Biden as a scandal.

Which is not surprising. Fox is practically Trump's idea of a State Media though he seems not happy with them right now given they won't cover him positively on every single occasion.

[Thermodolia]

Honestly if you read FOX you'd think this is a scandal about Biden. 538.com ran an analysis of keywords across media and FOX is severely skewed to talking about Ukraine and Biden as a scandal.

Which is not surprising. Fox is practically Trump's idea of a State Media though he seems not happy with them right now given they won't cover him positively on every single occasion.

There’s no pleasing the Dear Leader

[Greater Miami Shores]

I saw a FOX news article saying the whistleblower worked with house democrats before the report was released. Is it real or fake news?

They're lying, they don't even know who the whisteblower is so how the fuck do they know their history?

According to my sources the whistleblower will appear before the committee of Democrats and Republicans without a lawyer by agreement of the committee, with or without a lawyer, the whistleblower will be known to the Democrats and the Republicans on the committee.

It is natural to assume the whistleblower is anti Trump.

[Necroghastia]

They're lying, they don't even know who the whisteblower is so how the fuck do they know their history?

According to my sources the whistleblower will appear before the committee of Democrats and Republicans without a lawyer by agreement of the committee, with or without a lawyer, the whistleblower will be known to the Democrats and the Republicans on the committee.

It is natural to assume the whistleblower is anti Trump.

most people are anti-crime.

[Greater Miami Shores]

According to my sources the whistleblower will appear before the committee of Democrats and Republicans without a lawyer by agreement of the committee, with or without a lawyer, the whistleblower will be known to the Democrats and the Republicans on the committee.

It is natural to assume the whistleblower is anti Trump.

most people are anti-crime.

I think president Trump has not committed an impeachable crime.
It is natural to assume the whistleblower is anti Trump
most people are anti-crime. lol I'm having a lol attack