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Postby Genivaria » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:19 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Genivaria wrote:No sitting president has ever been prosecuted for violating the WPA.


Will never happen because the US elite loves war.

That's why we need conscription with no exceptions.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:24 pm

Genivaria wrote:
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Will never happen because the US elite loves war.

That's why we need conscription with no exceptions.

Yeah no. You'd never the get the votes to pass it.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:24 pm

Genivaria wrote:
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Will never happen because the US elite loves war.

That's why we need conscription with no exceptions.


There are a lot of little things that can be done to absolutely wreck the elite's monopoly on power and increase social mobility.

The internet has made it possible for the common man to have an international voice and access more information than anyone at any time in history. Frankly, I can't see the credentialism of the US elite surviving this century.

White collar jobs are the most at risk, because now anyone with right about of talent and savvy can be a journalist.

The only reason why you even need a degree for jobs such as law, banking, or accounting is because the corporations believe that a college degree from a "prestigious" university adds some sort of intangible that makes you a superior candidate (usually referred to as "pedigree" or "polish"). It is all bullshit. If you're personable and can sit for the licensing exams, then you are more than qualified.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:43 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Genivaria wrote:That's why we need conscription with no exceptions.

Yeah no. You'd never the get the votes to pass it.

That's an entirely separate matter from whether or not it would be a good idea.

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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Sep 18, 2019 2:45 pm

Genivaria wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yeah no. You'd never the get the votes to pass it.

That's an entirely separate matter from whether or not it would be a good idea.


San Lumen is the most pedantically legalist person on this website.

The vast majority of his rebuttals are either "it is currently illegal so therefore it cannot happen" or "there is no way politicians go for it so it's not worth discussing".

It is strange.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:10 pm

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Not for a long....long long time.

One thing I will give trump; he significantly increased the divisiveness and hate levels of this country.

Politics used to be a thing to avoid at family gathers; I have seen many families stop talking to relations over politics. I have actually seen a couple relationships break up and even friendships end over politics.

Hell I used to have an associate I respected in TKD. He went full trump and we no longer talk. All but accused me of supporting child rape over questioning if pizzagate was real.


Probably his greatest accomplishment.


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Postby Myrensis » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:20 pm

Zurkerx wrote:Second, Pompeo says Saudi attack an "act of war" as Trump sounds more cautious note. Looks like they're still trying to drag him into a potential conflict despite Bolton's departure. Eh, I don't see a war but this uncertainty will hit the global economy, and Trump knows it.


I'm sure Trump desperately wants the opportunity to prove what a big, strong, brave military leader he is with some big flashy military conflict, but he's also afraid that a significant military commitment might actually be the one thing that will make his cultists balk.

Though I don't know what he's really worried about, all available evidence suggests that all he has to do is Tweet about what a great thing it is and the conservatives will be insisting that starting another war is always 100% what they knew Trump would do, what they wanted him to do, and why they voted for him in the first place, and anyone who questions or criticizes it is obviously an America hating traitor who wants the terrorists to win!

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Postby Bear Stearns » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:23 pm

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Zurkerx wrote:Second, Pompeo says Saudi attack an "act of war" as Trump sounds more cautious note. Looks like they're still trying to drag him into a potential conflict despite Bolton's departure. Eh, I don't see a war but this uncertainty will hit the global economy, and Trump knows it.


I'm sure Trump desperately wants the opportunity to prove what a big, strong, brave military leader he is with some big flashy military conflict, but he's also afraid that a significant military commitment might actually be the one thing that will make his cultists balk.

Though I don't know what he's really worried about, all available evidence suggests that all he has to do is Tweet about what a great thing it is and the conservatives will be insisting that starting another war is always 100% what they knew Trump would do, what they wanted him to do, and why they voted for him in the first place, and anyone who questions or criticizes it is obviously an America hating traitor who wants the terrorists to win!


Trump's base leans strongly isolationist. You have no idea what you're talking about.
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Postby Myrensis » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:25 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:
Myrensis wrote:
I'm sure Trump desperately wants the opportunity to prove what a big, strong, brave military leader he is with some big flashy military conflict, but he's also afraid that a significant military commitment might actually be the one thing that will make his cultists balk.

Though I don't know what he's really worried about, all available evidence suggests that all he has to do is Tweet about what a great thing it is and the conservatives will be insisting that starting another war is always 100% what they knew Trump would do, what they wanted him to do, and why they voted for him in the first place, and anyone who questions or criticizes it is obviously an America hating traitor who wants the terrorists to win!


Trump's base leans strongly isolationist. You have no idea what you're talking about.


Trumps base leans strongly in whatever direction his Twitter feed tells them.

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Postby Shrillland » Wed Sep 18, 2019 3:42 pm

San Lumen wrote:
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Reminder that the US hasn't declared war on anybody since 1942.

What was the Gulf War or Iraq War?


Neither of them were formally declared wars. We authorised military force, but we haven't properly declared war on any nation since Bulgaria in 1942. The main reason for this is because if we formally declared war, it would be a lot messier to pull out because we'd have to make peace and sign a treaty and all that diplomatic rigmarole that nobody wants to contend with in this day and age.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:03 pm

Myrensis wrote:
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Trump's base leans strongly isolationist. You have no idea what you're talking about.


Trumps base leans strongly in whatever direction his Twitter feed tells them.

Even the soybean farmers getting Ned Beatty'd by Donny's pissy fit trade war with Jyna
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Postby Tobleste » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:06 pm

Zurkerx wrote:So, two things:

First, The Feds cut the rates again by .25 points, which means the rates are 1.75-2%; Trump upset it wasn't big enough cut. Given Trump wants 0% to negative interest rates to make the economy look good in 2020, I'm not surprised. Honestly a good thing a President can't run the Fed: we would be in multiple recessions...

Not to mention, this quote (bolded) sums my view: The stock market is of course disappointed with the limit on the amount of candy they'll get, but more rate cuts assumes an ever slowing economy and that's not something to cheer for.

Second, Pompeo says Saudi attack an "act of war" as Trump sounds more cautious note. Looks like they're still trying to drag him into a potential conflict despite Bolton's departure. Eh, I don't see a war but this uncertainty will hit the global economy, and Trump knows it.


Act of war? Genuine question, why is what Iran has allegedly done to SA an act of war justifying US intervention but what the Saudis have done to Yemen not?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:11 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:So, two things:

First, The Feds cut the rates again by .25 points, which means the rates are 1.75-2%; Trump upset it wasn't big enough cut. Given Trump wants 0% to negative interest rates to make the economy look good in 2020, I'm not surprised. Honestly a good thing a President can't run the Fed: we would be in multiple recessions...

Not to mention, this quote (bolded) sums my view: The stock market is of course disappointed with the limit on the amount of candy they'll get, but more rate cuts assumes an ever slowing economy and that's not something to cheer for.

Second, Pompeo says Saudi attack an "act of war" as Trump sounds more cautious note. Looks like they're still trying to drag him into a potential conflict despite Bolton's departure. Eh, I don't see a war but this uncertainty will hit the global economy, and Trump knows it.


Act of war? Genuine question, why is what Iran has allegedly done to SA an act of war justifying US intervention but what the Saudis have done to Yemen not?

Honestly imo SA should be economically punished for all the bullshit they've caused everybody else, from Yemen to 9/11 and beyond.
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Postby Gormwood » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:14 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
Act of war? Genuine question, why is what Iran has allegedly done to SA an act of war justifying US intervention but what the Saudis have done to Yemen not?

Honestly imo SA should be economically punished for all the bullshit they've caused everybody else, from Yemen to 9/11 and beyond.

Instead they get sold weapons systems for buying Trump real estate and murdering a journalist aka Enemy of the People by the Clown in Chief.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:20 pm

Myrensis wrote:
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Trump's base leans strongly isolationist. You have no idea what you're talking about.


Trumps base leans strongly in whatever direction his Twitter feed tells them.

He could say the earth is flat and they would believe it

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Postby Farnhamia » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:40 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Myrensis wrote:
Trumps base leans strongly in whatever direction his Twitter feed tells them.

He could say the earth is flat and they would believe it

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Postby Bombadil » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:50 pm

Meanwhile he retweets a post with a video of Ilhan Omar dancing on 9/11 anniversary, except it's false.. of course it is, any idiot would know it's false.. any idiot..
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:51 pm

Bombadil wrote:Meanwhile he retweets a post with a video of Ilhan Omar dancing on 9/11 anniversary, except it's false.. of course it is, any idiot would know it's false.. any idiot..

Tell that to someone in rural Missouri

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Bombadil wrote:Meanwhile he retweets a post with a video of Ilhan Omar dancing on 9/11 anniversary, except it's false.. of course it is, any idiot would know it's false.. any idiot..

He saw her dancing in Jersey City on that fateful day, dancing as the towers fell ...
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Postby Bombadil » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:56 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Meanwhile he retweets a post with a video of Ilhan Omar dancing on 9/11 anniversary, except it's false.. of course it is, any idiot would know it's false.. any idiot..

Tell that to someone in rural Missouri


It's practically incitement.

He's dangerous, incompetent and damaging.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Sep 18, 2019 4:59 pm

Bombadil wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Tell that to someone in rural Missouri


It's practically incitement.

He's dangerous, incompetent and damaging.

and Republicans in Congress dont care. They know they only way they can win is by cheating, hence why they wont secure our elections and wont make it easier to vote, and by jining up their rural base through fear of non whites and urban people and coastal elites are against you.

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Postby Bombadil » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:47 pm

Twitter have taken down Trump's tweet about Ilhan Omar.. as in Twitter has deleted a tweet by a president for being too hateful.. Twitter...
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:48 pm

Bombadil wrote:Twitter have taken down Trump's tweet about Ilhan Omar.. as in Twitter has deleted a tweet by a president for being too hateful.. Twitter...

There's probs some violation of Presidential recording statutes there. <.>
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:50 pm

Bombadil wrote:Twitter have taken down Trump's tweet about Ilhan Omar.. as in Twitter has deleted a tweet by a president for being too hateful.. Twitter...


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Postby Ism » Wed Sep 18, 2019 8:51 pm

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Twitter have taken down Trump's tweet about Ilhan Omar.. as in Twitter has deleted a tweet by a president for being too hateful.. Twitter...

There's probs some violation of Presidential recording statutes there. <.>


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