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Postby Gormwood » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:25 am

Gravlen wrote:While Trump says he cancelled the talks with the Afghani Taliban because of their recent attacks (which killed a US soldier), reports are emerging which... paints a different picture:

A tentative peace deal between Taliban leaders and the US fell apart after Donald Trump moved to make the accord a spectacle as part of his re-election campaign, reports have suggested.

The US president announced he was calling off a secret meeting between senior members of the Taliban, the government of Afghanistan, and his own administration through a Twitter post on Saturday evening - laying blame on the Taliban’s car bomb killing of 12 people in Kabul including a US soldier.

The talks, slated to take place just days before the anniversary of 9/11 at presidential outpost Camp David, were due to seal an agreement that would see US troops withdraw from the country in return for Taliban assurances that they would not facilitate global terrorism.

However reports from The New York Times have claimed the President’s drive to create a spectacle out of the accord had left the Taliban unwilling to proceed - and that officials from the militant group would only accept the terms if the deal was signed off before the meeting in America.

The agreement between the group and the US was struck in Doha, Qatar, by US Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and his negotiator, Zalmay Khalilzad over the course of a year. The settlement would have seen the remaining 140,000 US troops pull out of Afghanistan over the next 16 months - keeping the president’s 2016 campaign pledge to withdraw from the country - in return for assurances the Taliban would not house international terror groups as it did al-Qaeda in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.

Reports suggest the US leader had not wanted the meeting to be a celebration of an agreement already struck, and instead wanted to appear as the one to put the final pieces of the historic accord together.

The president’s push to be seen as a deal maker is reported to have been a sticking point for the Taliban, who argued the US were tricking them into “political suicide” - forcing them to accept the authority of Afghanistan’s government as they vie for control of provinces within the country.

Meanwhile the Afghanistan government had their own misgivings, despite officials agreeing to the meeting to ensure they did not look like they were blocking the path to peace.

Officials from the country remained distant throughout the talks so as not to recognise the Taliban and scupper the re-election campaign of Mr Ghani, due to take place next month. The Afghani government were also not willing to accept the Trump administration using the release of Taliban prisoners in Afghani custody as potential leverage for the deal.

The accord was finally terminated by the American President after the Taliban claimed an attack that killed 12 people, including a US soldier. The death is reported to have unified the administration’s belief it should be cancelled - with mr Trump telling aides “This is off; we can’t do this,”, according to The New York Times.

The Taliban has since warned that Mr Trump’s decision would “harm America more than anyone else”.

A spokesman for the militant group said talks had been completed “in a favourable atmosphere”, adding that the scrapping of the deal “harm America more than anyone else... will damage their status, will make it clear to the world its most hostile stance for peace, will increase its material and human losses, and its role will be known as shaky and fragile in political dealings”.

Trump scuppered peace plan with Taliban 'by trying to take credit for deal'

The US leader had wanted to appear as the one to put the final pieces of the historic accord, which had already been agreed, together - reports suggest


And, to be fair, this sounds very much like something Trump would do. His own ego placed above a peace deal, and without regard for the optics of inviting the Taliban to Camp David close to 9/11.

Donny is pathetically desperate for good publicity with a recession swimming off Amity Beach. Remember the fairy tale about China "begging" him for a deal?
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Postby Gormwood » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:31 am

This should be a Spock Is Lying grade logic bomb.

George Soros offers rare praise for Trump and how he’s handled Huawei in the trade war

Evil Globalist George Soros says the lockdown on Huawei is the one thing Donny got right by accident, but is presciently worried the Appeaser-in-Chief may take Huawei off the block just before 2020 to try and make himself look good for the election.
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Postby North German Realm » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:55 am

Gormwood wrote:This should be a Spock Is Lying grade logic bomb.

George Soros offers rare praise for Trump and how he’s handled Huawei in the trade war

Evil Globalist George Soros says the lockdown on Huawei is the one thing Donny got right by accident, but is presciently worried the Appeaser-in-Chief may take Huawei off the block just before 2020 to try and make himself look good for the election.

Even a broken clock can show the correct time twice. Though whether or not it should be praised at those times I am not sure.
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Postby Gravlen » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:12 am

Bolton has been fired. His mustache too.

I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did others in the Administration, and therefore........I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning. I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new National Security Advisor next week.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:14 am

Gravlen wrote:Bolton has been fired. His mustache too.

I informed John Bolton last night that his services are no longer needed at the White House. I disagreed strongly with many of his suggestions, as did others in the Administration, and therefore........I asked John for his resignation, which was given to me this morning. I thank John very much for his service. I will be naming a new National Security Advisor next week.

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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:14 am

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Postby Juristonia » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:26 am

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Postby Myrensis » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:32 am

I'm guessing Bolton had a freakout over the possibility of talks with the Taliban and that was the last straw.

Still a mystery what exactly Trump though he was going to gain by bringing him on, Bolton's philosophy that flag draped coffins are the best measure of successful foreign policy wasn't exactly a secret to anyone.

I guess his warmongering appealed to Trump's fantasies of being a big tough military leader, but conflicted with his lack of interest in anything but the image.
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Postby Gravlen » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:46 am


I mean, it is pretty clear. Trump is absolutely the kind of guy who'll say that you shouldn't break up with him today and think about it until tomorrow, and then go home and break up with you via text so he can say that HE dumped YOU.
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John Bolton Fired by Trump

Postby Page » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:50 am

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/liv ... icans-live

John Bolton, the most fanatical warmonger in Washington DC, has been fired by Trump.

In my opinion, this is a good thing. Both of these men are utterly despicable, but as Trump is a weak-minded man extremely susceptible to the influence of anyone with a modicum of skill in manipulation, it is a positive development that the most bloodthirsty of all neocons will no longer be bending Trump to his will.

But I'm not sure it matters all that much, as there is still a big pack of warmongers circling the White House.

Are you happy to see Bolton go? Will it even make a difference?
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Postby Deneb » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:51 am

doesn't this belong in the MAGA megathread?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:52 am

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Postby Page » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:53 am

Deneb wrote:doesn't this belong in the MAGA megathread?


Perhaps, I sort of forgot about the MAGA thread to be honest.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:59 am

This is a good thing, as Bolton wants to start a war. I don't think this will have an effect though, as foreign policy is still controlled by Trump, and he is very inconsistent.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:01 am


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Trump's announcement came 90 minutes before Bolton was expected to appear at a press briefing with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin.

I'm imagining Trump in the Oval Office, asking who's going on TV next, and only then remembering that he hadn't actually fired Bolton yet, so whipping his phone out for a "He's fired" tweet.
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Postby Dogmeat » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:04 am

Not a bad thing.
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Postby Saiwania » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:26 am

John Bolton's war mongering is actually good in my view. We shouldn't avoid wars, provided the opponent is projected to be weak enough to take on. We obviously can't invade China but Venezuela is probably ripe for conquest if we were just willing to go ahead (assuming no other nations try intervening).

All of Venezuela's neighbors don't appreciate the migration problems they're having as a result of the Maduro regime's mismanagement. We should invade to depose him, especially if there is a replacement that can readily take charge of that country. With a new regime, most of the Venezuelans that've moved can return home if that economy stabilizes under new leadership.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:26 am

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Postby Takso » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:33 am

I'm surprised Bolton hasn't advocated for nuclear war yet, it seems his solution to every international dispute is to declare war.

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Postby Holy Tedalonia » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:34 am

House Bolton takes another loss. The house faces a sad day indeed.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:35 am

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Postby Hrstrovokia » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:36 am

It was as if millions of freedom loving people cried out in one voice "thank fuckin' god" the war mongering cunt is gone.

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Postby Sodoran Alesia » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:37 am

Takso wrote:I'm surprised Bolton hasn't advocated for nuclear war yet, it seems his solution to every international dispute is to declare war.


Bolton is basically a modern day Curtis LeMay.

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