MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[The Communist Union of B]

Space Force is go.

Wasting money, beyond the stars!

Remember the time the GOP wanted to cut half of houses to homeless veterans in the name of budget cuts?

But space force and a wall? Very good wastes of money.

Honestly in my opinion, I’d rather have a space for established to prevent against hostile threats in the future, then pour more money into building more military equipment not currently needed. I believe we should take some of the military budget and put a portion of it into researching new technology a vehicles to replace the aging weapons currently in use. I realize though that equipment in use currently is still fairly high tech, but with Russia building new top of the line prototype tanks and some of the current firearms designs the US uses almost seeing 20 years of use, perhaps it’s time to look into finding better replacements.

[Ifreann]

I am just trying to understand what exactly they are supposed to do that does not already exist elsewhere

Well, technically those duties that were done elsewhere were transferred to the Space Command. It could either be a decent first move to get ahead of the curve on orbital warfare or it could be another drain on the budget that doesn't actually do anything.

Though, ideally, we would all agree that space isn't a place for weapons.

Pretty sure we already did agree that.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Wasting money, beyond the stars!

Remember the time the GOP wanted to cut half of houses to homeless veterans in the name of budget cuts?

But space force and a wall? Very good wastes of money.

Honestly in my opinion, I’d rather have a space for established to prevent against hostile threats in the future, then pour more money into building more military equipment not currently needed. I believe we should take some of the military budget and put a portion of it into researching new technology a vehicles to replace the aging weapons currently in use. I realize though that equipment in use currently is still fairly high tech, but with Russia building new top of the line prototype tanks and some of the current firearms designs the US uses almost seeing 20 years of use, perhaps it’s time to look into finding better replacements.

That sounds fine. I would rather have that money go into USAF, Army, Navy then a whole new space force.

That and any extra money from the Space force could go into building new nuclear plants and dams.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Honestly in my opinion, I’d rather have a space for established to prevent against hostile threats in the future, then pour more money into building more military equipment not currently needed. I believe we should take some of the military budget and put a portion of it into researching new technology a vehicles to replace the aging weapons currently in use. I realize though that equipment in use currently is still fairly high tech, but with Russia building new top of the line prototype tanks and some of the current firearms designs the US uses almost seeing 20 years of use, perhaps it’s time to look into finding better replacements.

That sounds fine. I would rather have that money go into USAF, Army, Navy then a whole new space force.

That and any extra money from the Space force could go into building new nuclear plants and dams.

I mean, NASA is already part of the military (I think it is, anyway), so there's literally no reason whatsoever to make a space force. Just give whatever funding you'd give the SF to NASA instead.

[Nakena]

That sounds fine. I would rather have that money go into USAF, Army, Navy then a whole new space force.

That and any extra money from the Space force could go into building new nuclear plants and dams.

I mean, NASA is already part of the military (I think it is, anyway), so there's literally no reason whatsoever to make a space force. Just give whatever funding you'd give the SF to NASA instead.

No it isn't. The NASA is civilian.

[Valrifell]

I mean, NASA is already part of the military (I think it is, anyway), so there's literally no reason whatsoever to make a space force. Just give whatever funding you'd give the SF to NASA instead.

No it isn't. The NASA is civilian.

NASA used to be under the purview of the DoD, but now it's basically it's own separate thing with an administrator that reports directly to the president.

[Valrifell]

Well, technically those duties that were done elsewhere were transferred to the Space Command. It could either be a decent first move to get ahead of the curve on orbital warfare or it could be another drain on the budget that doesn't actually do anything.

Though, ideally, we would all agree that space isn't a place for weapons.

Pretty sure we already did agree that.

Only nukes as far as I'm aware.

[Nakena]

No it isn't. The NASA is civilian.

NASA used to be under the purview of the DoD, but now it's basically it's own separate thing with an administrator that reports directly to the president.

Thus the establishment of the USSF is all the more necessary to ensure military supremacy and dominance of the free world in space for the decades to come.

[Zurkerx]

Space Force is go.

Wasting money, beyond the stars!

Remember the time the GOP wanted to cut half of houses to homeless veterans in the name of budget cuts?

But space force and a wall? Very good wastes of money.

To be fair, we are going to need a Space Force for the future given our exploring egos though I'm not fond of the reckless spending that's going to it. Hmm, while we're at it, maybe a Space Wall is needed!

[Telconi]

Wasting money, beyond the stars!

Remember the time the GOP wanted to cut half of houses to homeless veterans in the name of budget cuts?

But space force and a wall? Very good wastes of money.

To be fair, we are going to need a Space Force for the future given our exploring egos though I'm not fond of the reckless spending that's going to it. Hmm, while we're at it, maybe a Space Wall is needed!

The Martians aren't sending their best.

[Valrifell]

To be fair, we are going to need a Space Force for the future given our exploring egos though I'm not fond of the reckless spending that's going to it. Hmm, while we're at it, maybe a Space Wall is needed!

The Martians aren't sending their best.

They're sending their heat-rays, their tripods, and their handling machines.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Pretty sure we already did agree that.

Only nukes as far as I'm aware.

Nukes and other weapons of mass destruction (as per article IV of the Outer Space Treaty), although there is no legal definition of the latter term. But the Russians keep a pistol in the ISS for emergency reasons, which is totally allowed.

[Telconi]

Only nukes as far as I'm aware.

Nukes and other weapons of mass destruction (as per article IV of the Outer Space Treaty), although there is no legal definition of the latter term. But the Russians keep a pistol in the ISS for emergency reasons, which is totally allowed.

I mean, the Soviets had a space station with an autocannon.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

NASA used to be under the purview of the DoD, but now it's basically it's own separate thing with an administrator that reports directly to the president.

Thus the establishment of the USSF is all the more necessary to ensure military supremacy and dominance of the free world in space for the decades to come.

More like the US has built in a reliance on satellites to a large part of its very expensive military hardware, and it is an enormous vulnerability.

[Loben The 2nd]

I am just trying to understand what exactly they are supposed to do that does not already exist elsewhere

Well, technically those duties that were done elsewhere were transferred to the Space Command. It could either be a decent first move to get ahead of the curve on orbital warfare or it could be another drain on the budget that doesn't actually do anything.

Though, ideally, we would all agree that space isn't a place for weapons.

if space is the new frontier then eventually that frontier will be a battlefield.

might as well get a head start.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Well, technically those duties that were done elsewhere were transferred to the Space Command. It could either be a decent first move to get ahead of the curve on orbital warfare or it could be another drain on the budget that doesn't actually do anything.

Though, ideally, we would all agree that space isn't a place for weapons.

if space is the new frontier then eventually that frontier will be a battlefield.

might as well get a head start.

Have you ever heard of the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise the commons? Because this is that.

[Salandriagado]

Only nukes as far as I'm aware.

Nukes and other weapons of mass destruction (as per article IV of the Outer Space Treaty), although there is no legal definition of the latter term. But the Russians keep a pistol in the ISS for emergency reasons, which is totally allowed.

They also take shotguns with them, for dealing with bears on landing.

[Valrifell]

Well, technically those duties that were done elsewhere were transferred to the Space Command. It could either be a decent first move to get ahead of the curve on orbital warfare or it could be another drain on the budget that doesn't actually do anything.

Though, ideally, we would all agree that space isn't a place for weapons.

if space is the new frontier then eventually that frontier will be a battlefield.

might as well get a head start.

Only rich, wealthy, and advanced nations can into space. Those nations don't like fighting each other.

[Telconi]

if space is the new frontier then eventually that frontier will be a battlefield.

might as well get a head start.

Only rich, wealthy, and advanced nations can into space. Those nations don't like fighting each other.

Both world wars would like a word with you.

[The Rich Port]

Wasting money, beyond the stars!

Remember the time the GOP wanted to cut half of houses to homeless veterans in the name of budget cuts?

But space force and a wall? Very good wastes of money.

Honestly in my opinion, I’d rather have a space for established to prevent against hostile threats in the future, then pour more money into building more military equipment not currently needed. I believe we should take some of the military budget and put a portion of it into researching new technology a vehicles to replace the aging weapons currently in use. I realize though that equipment in use currently is still fairly high tech, but with Russia building new top of the line prototype tanks and some of the current firearms designs the US uses almost seeing 20 years of use, perhaps it’s time to look into finding better replacements.

Threats like fucking what, Martians? No country has the resources to put weapons into space. We're literally the only fucking ones who can.

Meanwhile, I haven't heard a goddamn thing, from either NASA or anybody, about countering the very real possibilities of shit like asteroids, solar waves, and God forbid a fucking black hole causing the extinction of the human race.

If goddamn Star Command is worth the shitty money we're printing out for it, we better hear some goddamn ideas about actual issues and not imagined threats by Donald Trump and his imperious dementia.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Only rich, wealthy, and advanced nations can into space. Those nations don't like fighting each other.

Both world wars would like a word with you.

The lack of a world war since 1945 would also like a word with you.

[Valrifell]

Both world wars would like a word with you.

The lack of a world war since 1945 would also like a word with you.

The lack of... any direct war, really. Most mass violence is through internal struggles or civil wars these days.

No more hot n heavy nation on nation violence, like the good ol days.

[Gormwood]

Honestly in my opinion, I’d rather have a space for established to prevent against hostile threats in the future, then pour more money into building more military equipment not currently needed. I believe we should take some of the military budget and put a portion of it into researching new technology a vehicles to replace the aging weapons currently in use. I realize though that equipment in use currently is still fairly high tech, but with Russia building new top of the line prototype tanks and some of the current firearms designs the US uses almost seeing 20 years of use, perhaps it’s time to look into finding better replacements.

Threats like fucking what, Martians? No country has the resources to put weapons into space. We're literally the only fucking ones who can.

Meanwhile, I haven't heard a goddamn thing, from either NASA or anybody, about countering the very real possibilities of shit like asteroids, solar waves, and God forbid a fucking black hole causing the extinction of the human race.

If goddamn Star Command is worth the shitty money we're printing out for it, we better hear some goddamn ideas about actual issues and not imagined threats by Donald Trump and his imperious dementia.

Donny obviously has fantasies of being Captain Kirk and scoring with alien women. Besides the ones he's married before.

[Duhon]

Space Force is go.

I am just trying to understand what exactly they are supposed to do that does not already exist elsewhere

intercepting incoming near earth objects, of which not a few have made an appearance this year

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I am just trying to understand what exactly they are supposed to do that does not already exist elsewhere

intercepting incoming near earth objects, of which not a few have made an appearance this year

That should not be a military undertaking, but a civil one.

Aside from that, those near earth objects didn't even come near enough to pose a danger, had been spotted years in advance, and followed their calculated trajectory.

The US can't solve that on its own, this needs to be an international scientific and civil collaboration, not a unitary military operation by the US.