MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Chan Island]

In a newly released poll that continues to show a sharp divide, 68% of overall people said Trump's Tweets were offensive; 57% of Republicans agree with them while a third strongly agree with the tweets.

Ah, so this is why Republicans haven't condemned the Tweets, although that's pretty sad that it has come to this. Now, I'm not sure if a third of the people are in general or Republicans, but that's not great they endorse such hatred things.

At this point, I feel like Trump is carving up America: identifying those that are for or against him, and then trying to find something that resonates with "undecided people". It's simple: divide and conquer, although it could backfire on him if he isn't careful.

Trump isn't at all trying to find something that resonates with undecided people. He has discovered a new logic to winning elections in America and is using it to great effect. And that new logic is called "excite your base".

[Salandriagado]

No, no you don't.

Nobody can reign in innocence. The State is inherently based on the implied threat of violence.

No it isn't. It's based on the consent of the governed.

And more often than not it is made good on said threat in one way or another. Most specifically for the United States that is fighting wars at countless places both in and outside.

Every President of the last 50 years has ordered acts of war, destruction and ordered the elimination of enemies of the state. Trump has, so far, shown a greater restrain in those matters than his precedessor.

Have. It is not necessary.

[Salandriagado]

Good. It will be nice to see people with your ideas marginalized. Your agenda was rejected nationally last year and will hopefully be rejected by a even bigger margin next year.

If worst comes to worse, then I say it is time for another try at secession. We'll see if it ever comes to this.

Please, please fucking try. I'll sit back and watch as you and the three other racists who try it get arrested.

[Gormwood]

In a newly released poll that continues to show a sharp divide, 68% of overall people said Trump's Tweets were offensive; 57% of Republicans agree with them while a third strongly agree with the tweets.

Ah, so this is why Republicans haven't condemned the Tweets, although that's pretty sad that it has come to this. Now, I'm not sure if a third of the people are in general or Republicans, but that's not great they endorse such hatred things.

At this point, I feel like Trump is carving up America: identifying those that are for or against him, and then trying to find something that resonates with "undecided people". It's simple: divide and conquer, although it could backfire on him if he isn't careful.

Trump isn't at all trying to find something that resonates with undecided people. He has discovered a new logic to winning elections in America and is using it to great effect. And that new logic is called "excite your base".

So who actually won the Presidency on base alone?

[Ifreann]

The fire keeps rising. Just now more underground. The seeds of the Alt-right have been planted even when the original movement is pretty much dead.

Is this going to become the 21st Century "Lost Cause"? Four to eight years on people will deny supporting Trump himself but insist this was about some variation of 'states rights' while people scrawl "the MAGA will rise again" on their pickups?

I'm not a racist, I'm just celebrating MAGA culture. You can't tell me my heritage is racist. My grandfather wore this hat and he had a black friend.

[Chan Island]

Trump isn't at all trying to find something that resonates with undecided people. He has discovered a new logic to winning elections in America and is using it to great effect. And that new logic is called "excite your base".

So who actually won the Presidency on base alone?

Trump, almost entirely on his base. Just look at all of the electoral results from 2016 compared to 2012- most states had roughly the same number of people supporting the Republicans as they had before, but the number of democrats who turned out fell across the board.

[Zurkerx]

In a newly released poll that continues to show a sharp divide, 68% of overall people said Trump's Tweets were offensive; 57% of Republicans agree with them while a third strongly agree with the tweets.

Ah, so this is why Republicans haven't condemned the Tweets, although that's pretty sad that it has come to this. Now, I'm not sure if a third of the people are in general or Republicans, but that's not great they endorse such hatred things.

At this point, I feel like Trump is carving up America: identifying those that are for or against him, and then trying to find something that resonates with "undecided people". It's simple: divide and conquer, although it could backfire on him if he isn't careful.

Trump isn't at all trying to find something that resonates with undecided people. He has discovered a new logic to winning elections in America and is using it to great effect. And that new logic is called "excite your base".

I partially agree and disagree with you. I do agree that the rhetoric he's using is to maximize turnout of his base and hope he can win. However, I disagree that he isn't targeting undecided people. He's using his rhetoric to see what he can stir up and if he can convince even a small sliver of undecided people of a statement he said (which may/may not be true), then that's a win in his books. Hence, divide and conquer.

[Chan Island]

Trump isn't at all trying to find something that resonates with undecided people. He has discovered a new logic to winning elections in America and is using it to great effect. And that new logic is called "excite your base".

I partially agree and disagree with you. I do agree that the rhetoric he's using is to maximize turnout of his base and hope he can win. However, I disagree that he isn't targeting undecided people. He's using his rhetoric to see what he can stir up and if he can convince even a small sliver of undecided people of a statement he said (which may/may not be true), then that's a win in his books. Hence, divide and conquer.

I really think you're giving too much credit to be honest. I think it's more a case that the rhetoric that excites the base is also one that some undecided people, when push comes to shove, eventually opt to support too. Trump is historically unpopular with independents, and he done next to nothing to try and appeal to them. Independents who eventually choose him are just a bonus, the real goal is to get every single Republican fan in the country marching to the polls first thing in the morning to vote for the man who says everything they like.

[Zurkerx]

I partially agree and disagree with you. I do agree that the rhetoric he's using is to maximize turnout of his base and hope he can win. However, I disagree that he isn't targeting undecided people. He's using his rhetoric to see what he can stir up and if he can convince even a small sliver of undecided people of a statement he said (which may/may not be true), then that's a win in his books. Hence, divide and conquer.

I really think you're giving too much credit to be honest. I think it's more a case that the rhetoric that excites the base is also one that some undecided people, when push comes to shove, eventually opt to support too. Trump is historically unpopular with independents, and he done next to nothing to try and appeal to them. Independents who eventually choose him are just a bonus, the real goal is to get every single Republican fan in the country marching to the polls first thing in the morning to vote for the man who says everything they like.

That's a fair point, although he did win the Independent vote as Independents tend to vote Republican (he got 48%; Clinton was 44%). The thing is, the Republican base is smaller so it's going to be interesting to see if this large minority can defeat a simple majority; all about turnout in the right States. I do think Democrats can win the Independent vote and even if they don't, the more they take, the lower the chances the Republicans have at winning. But I believe he is employing a divide and conquer strategy.

[Cerinda]

So CNN got Richard Spencer on air to discuss Trump's racism which is like getting Roman Polanski to discuss Kevin Spacey's paedophilia.

[Nakena]

So CNN got Richard Spencer on air to discuss Trump's racism which is like getting Roman Polanski to discuss Kevin Spacey's paedophilia.

Sauce?

[Ifreann]

So CNN got Richard Spencer on air to discuss Trump's racism which is like getting Roman Polanski to discuss Kevin Spacey's paedophilia.

Oh no, Matt Bors' comics are coming true.

[Nakena]

So CNN got Richard Spencer on air to discuss Trump's racism which is like getting Roman Polanski to discuss Kevin Spacey's paedophilia.

Oh no, Matt Bors' comics are coming true.

Tbh they shouldn give Spencer more cred by giving him Airtime. The guy was even disliked within the movement back when it was still a thing. Besides like most others hes not going back to MAGA because of Trumps pro-Zionist anti-assad stance.

Which is even more important than anything else to the alt-right.

The Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-I55mlrJQg

[Ifreann]

Oh no, Matt Bors' comics are coming true.

Tbh they shouldn give Spencer more cred by giving him Airtime. The guy was even disliked within the movement back when it was still a thing. Besides like most others hes not going back to MAGA because of Trumps pro-Zionist anti-assad stance.

Which is even more important than anything else to the alt-right.

Everyone at CNN who didn't try to stop this should be fired.

[Juristonia]

CNN has a weird knack for inviting nutjobs to shows, in the name of "balance".
A few days ago they had Whatshisname Cortes shrieking that calling out Trump's racism was demonising tens of millions of his supporters which was in fact the real racism and also yer all bigots for doing it, or something.

It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

[Gormwood]

CNN has a weird knack for inviting nutjobs to shows, in the name of "balance".
A few days ago they had Whatshisname Cortes shrieking that calling out Trump's racism was demonising tens of millions of his supporters which was in fact the real racism and also yer all bigots for doing it, or something.

It'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.

They also had someone embedded in the Tea Party Express during the 2008-2012 period. Catering to nuts in the appearance of balance.

[Juristonia]

They also had someone embedded in the Tea Party Express during the 2008-2012 period. Catering to nuts in the appearance of balance.

I get it, kind of. They're trying to combat the bias accusations by going "Look, we have alternate opinions!" but sometimes you just gotta admit crazy is crazy and doesn't deserve airtime.

[Gormwood]

They also had someone embedded in the Tea Party Express during the 2008-2012 period. Catering to nuts in the appearance of balance.

I get it, kind of. They're trying to combat the bias accusations by going "Look, we have alternate opinions!" but sometimes you just gotta admit crazy is crazy and doesn't deserve airtime.

FOX drones are going to call anything left of John Birch "biased".

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

....Breitbart is the 2nd most popular right wing american news site, it's worth worrying about what the people say there due to them being a huge voter base(10% I reckon) and possible politicians god forbid.

Yeah, and we should worry about the Youtube comments section too.

The Youtube comments section is a part of echo chambers online, so yes we should be worried.

[Juristonia]

Breitbart's traffic has been plummeting, to the point of losing 75% of it's readership compared to last year, and less than 5 million unique views in May 2019.
And that's globally.

The claim that their support is good for 10% of the American voter base is insane and based on absolutely nothing.
As is the claim that they're the second biggest news source on the right.
They're currently the seventh.

[San Lumen]

Yeah, and we should worry about the Youtube comments section too.

The Youtube comments section is a part of echo chambers online, so yes we should be worried.

If online comments meant anything a fair number of statewide victors last year would not have won

[Nakena]

Breitbart's traffic has been plummeting, to the point of losing 75% of it's readership compared to last year, and less than 5 million unique views in May 2019.
And that's globally.

The claim that their support is good for 10% of the American voter base is insane and based on absolutely nothing.
As is the claim that they're the second biggest news source on the right.
They're currently the seventh.

I never understood the appeal of Breitbart. Their site design is totally confusing and bad.

[Juristonia]

I never understood the appeal of Breitbart. Their site design is totally confusing and bad.

I don't know why, but I swear there's this weird thing on the internet where the further to the right you go, the tackier the website layouts get.
At least the original nazis had some sense of aesthetics.

[Kowani]

Breitbart's traffic has been plummeting, to the point of losing 75% of it's readership compared to last year, and less than 5 million unique views in May 2019.
And that's globally.

The claim that their support is good for 10% of the American voter base is insane and based on absolutely nothing.
As is the claim that they're the second biggest news source on the right.
They're currently the seventh.

Finally, some good fucking news.

[Cannot think of a name]

Another investigation comes to a close with just a redacted report as a result. Time to figure out why this totally means what you've always thought:

Federal prosecutors in New York have ended their investigation into the Trump Organization's role in hush money payments made to women who alleged affairs with President Donald Trump and have been ordered by a judge to release additional information connected to their related probe of former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen, according to court documents filed Wednesday.
CNN reported Friday that the Manhattan US Attorney's office had approached the end of its investigation of the Trump Organization and wasn't poised to charge any executives involved in the company's effort to reimburse Cohen for money he paid to silence one of the women. That payment constituted an illegal campaign contribution, according to prosecutors. Trump has denied the affair allegations.
"The campaign finance violations discussed in the Materials are a matter of national importance," US District Court Judge William Pauley wrote in his decision. "Now that the Government's investigation into those violations has concluded, it is time that every American has an opportunity to scrutinize the Materials."
Pauley ordered a copy of the government's July status report and copies of search warrant materials from the Cohen case to be filed publicly with very limited redactions by Thursday at 11 a.m. ET.