MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Duhon]

One thing that many protestors were doing was block the entrances to keep the concentration camp employees from leaving. If their victims can't leave, then neither should they. That was good praxis.

That's fair. Just don't block major roadways/any highway, freeway, or interstate; ambulances and firetrucks need to get to their destinations ASAP.

Why not?

It shows at the best disinterest, at the worst, sympathies.

How was it a terrorist attack?

How was it not? He used unlawful violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims, that's textbook terrorism.

Said "political aim" being to free suffering foreigners from overzealous ICE agents, and by extension, a xenophobic government.

[Luminesa]

If you have differing statistics, do bring them forward. Otherwise, your claim is hollow.

Honestly, I think they just believe every Democrat leaning city is a Mad Max style dystopia. "Statistics" and "evidence" aren't necessary.

*Points to New Orleans.*

JK, New Orleans is just drunk all the time. But not a dystopia. Just floods every time you sneeze on it. Has the best QB in the NFL, best food in the country. Just a very unfortunate crime rate.

[Proctopeo]

That's fair. Just don't block major roadways/any highway, freeway, or interstate; ambulances and firetrucks need to get to their destinations ASAP.


It shows at the best disinterest, at the worst, sympathies.


How was it not? He used unlawful violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims, that's textbook terrorism.

Said "political aim" being to free suffering foreigners from overzealous ICE agents.

Well-intentioned extremists are still extremists. It's still terrorism even if his ends were noble.

[Loben The 2nd]

That's fair. Just don't block major roadways/any highway, freeway, or interstate; ambulances and firetrucks need to get to their destinations ASAP.


It shows at the best disinterest, at the worst, sympathies.


How was it not? He used unlawful violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims, that's textbook terrorism.

Said "political aim" being to free suffering foreigners from overzealous ICE agents, and by extension, a xenophobic government.

By bombing said ICE agents?

[Northern Davincia]

tbh NYC and Somalia are notoriously crime infested.

correction NYC has its lowest crime rate in decades. You don;t think what he said was racist?

That isn't saying much.

[Liriena]

One thing that many protestors were doing was block the entrances to keep the concentration camp employees from leaving. If their victims can't leave, then neither should they. That was good praxis.

That's fair. Just don't block major roadways/any highway, freeway, or interstate; ambulances and firetrucks need to get to their destinations ASAP.

Block mayor roadways, highways, etc., but specifically allow emergency services to pass through.

Why not?

It shows at the best disinterest, at the worst, sympathies.

How so?

Do I have some sort of moral obligation to be sympathetic towards the GEO Group's business model whenever someone does something illegal to them?

[Proctopeo]

That's fair. Just don't block major roadways/any highway, freeway, or interstate; ambulances and firetrucks need to get to their destinations ASAP.

Block mayor roadways, highways, etc., but specifically allow emergency services to pass through.

That seems difficult to coordinate, especially if not everybody on board thinks emergency services are more important than their cause.

It shows at the best disinterest, at the worst, sympathies.

How so?

Do I have some sort of moral obligation to be sympathetic towards the GEO Group's business model whenever someone does something illegal to them?

You have a moral obligation to express opposition to terrorism, especially when opposition isn't inherently implied. The communities you run in make it no longer inherently implied when it comes to far-left terrorism.

[Northern Davincia]

Said "political aim" being to free suffering foreigners from overzealous ICE agents, and by extension, a xenophobic government.

By bombing said ICE agents?

At the very least, those foreigners will be set free inevitably. They'll just be free outside the US.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Trump tweeted something partsan and stupid again.

[Thuzbekistan]

Trump tweeted something partsan and stupid again.

Pretty sure he is talking about their districts

[Liriena]

Block mayor roadways, highways, etc., but specifically allow emergency services to pass through.

That seems difficult to coordinate, especially if not everybody on board thinks emergency services are more important than their cause.

Yes, that's a legitimate concern.

How so?

Do I have some sort of moral obligation to be sympathetic towards the GEO Group's business model whenever someone does something illegal to them?

You have a moral obligation to express opposition to terrorism

Which I have. Now I'm exercising my other moral obligation, which is the obligation to point out that the GEO Group, despite being the target of a terrorist attack, is not automatically the "good guy" in this situation and doesn't deserve sympathy. The people who might have gotten hurt deserve sympathy, not a corporation which profits off the inhumane incarceration of men, women and children.

[Northern Davincia]

Well, remember Gingrich says that feels trump facts.

True. I got criticised for saying Republicans voters seem a little crazy but as far as I can tell, Republican politicians are saying the same thing.

How many Republican voters have you met in order to make that generalization?

Trump tweeted something partsan and stupid again.

Pretty sure he is talking about their districts

I will contest the assertion that Trump is racist, but his xenophobia is self-evident.

[Proctopeo]

You have a moral obligation to express opposition to terrorism

Which I have.

You hadn't, earlier.

Now I'm exercising my other moral obligation, which is the obligation to point out that the GEO Group, despite being the target of a terrorist attack, is not automatically the "good guy" in this situation and doesn't deserve sympathy. The people who might have gotten hurt deserve sympathy, not a corporation which profits off the inhumane incarceration of men, women and children.

Hey, sometimes it really is both sides, innit?

[Liriena]

Now I'm exercising my other moral obligation, which is the obligation to point out that the GEO Group, despite being the target of a terrorist attack, is not automatically the "good guy" in this situation and doesn't deserve sympathy. The people who might have gotten hurt deserve sympathy, not a corporation which profits off the inhumane incarceration of men, women and children.

Hey, sometimes it really is both sides, innit?

Indeed. It's a rare sight, but it's there.

[Proctopeo]

Hey, sometimes it really is both sides, innit?

Indeed. It's a rare sight, but it's there.

Not quite as rare as some might think, but it's definitely not every situation.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Trump tweeted something partsan and stupid again.

Pretty sure he is talking about their districts

The tweet was still stupid tho

[Northern Davincia]

Pretty sure he is talking about their districts

The tweet was still stupid tho

At first I wondered if he was referring to their districts, but the rest of his statement clearly implies separate countries of origin.

[Farnhamia]

The tweet was still stupid tho

At first I wondered if he was referring to their districts, but the rest of his statement clearly implies separate countries of origin.

Which is weird, because three of them are from the same country, the US. Only one, Ilhan Omar, is not from the US, having been born in Somalia.

[Bombadil]

At first I wondered if he was referring to their districts, but the rest of his statement clearly implies separate countries of origin.

Which is weird, because three of them are from the same country, the US. Only one, Ilhan Omar, is not from the US, having been born in Somalia.

Well then he's correct in saying their government is a complete catastrophe then.

[Farnhamia]

Which is weird, because three of them are from the same country, the US. Only one, Ilhan Omar, is not from the US, having been born in Somalia.

Well then he's correct in saying their government is a complete catastrophe then.

I did think of that, yes.

[Duhon]

Said "political aim" being to free suffering foreigners from overzealous ICE agents, and by extension, a xenophobic government.

By bombing said ICE agents?

If it was en route to freeing those held captive then I hold no objection. If there were nonviolent means to free them or peaceful ways to depoliticize immigration matters by putting it out of the hands of xenophobes in government I'd gladly welcome it, but as it is it's either the wrong people suffer and likely die -- or the right people do.

[Gormwood]

By bombing said ICE agents?

If it was en route to freeing those held captive then I hold no objection. If there were nonviolent means to free them or peaceful ways to depoliticize immigration matters by putting it out of the hands of xenophobes in government I'd gladly welcome it, but as it is it's either the wrong people suffer and likely die -- or the right people do.

He could have been just as likely have been wanting to Burn Dem Wetbacks as support for Donnie's immigration crackdown. Fire does not seem helpful to the migrants especially with ICE being apathetic to their plight.

[Duhon]

If it was en route to freeing those held captive then I hold no objection. If there were nonviolent means to free them or peaceful ways to depoliticize immigration matters by putting it out of the hands of xenophobes in government I'd gladly welcome it, but as it is it's either the wrong people suffer and likely die -- or the right people do.

He could have been just as likely have been wanting to Burn Dem Wetbacks as support for Donnie's immigration crackdown. Fire does not seem helpful to the migrants especially with ICE being apathetic to their plight.

It has been claimed that the attacker was not a xenophobe or in any case a Trump supporter. Was I wrong in supposing that?

[Gormwood]

He could have been just as likely have been wanting to Burn Dem Wetbacks as support for Donnie's immigration crackdown. Fire does not seem helpful to the migrants especially with ICE being apathetic to their plight.

It has been claimed that the attacker was not a xenophobe or in any case a Trump supporter. Was I wrong in supposing that?

No, but anyone concerned about migrant lives bringing firebombs? Really?

[Duhon]

It has been claimed that the attacker was not a xenophobe or in any case a Trump supporter. Was I wrong in supposing that?

No, but anyone concerned about migrant lives bringing firebombs? Really?

Depends on the facility.