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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:04 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
correction NYC has its lowest crime rate in decades. You don;t think what he said was racist?


are you sure the NYPD are not just cooking some books when it comes to that?

If you have differing statistics, do bring them forward. Otherwise, your claim is hollow.
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Postby Duhon » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:04 pm

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Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:We can't.

There are systems in place to prevent that.

Those systems have failed under partisan pressure.

And now, with the very threat of those systems, Trump.may win again, invalidating the whole processes' purpose.


Which is why the only way out is sustained mass nationwide protests calling for the removal of Trump, Pence, every non-judicial Trump appointee, and Mitch McConnell.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:06 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
correction NYC has its lowest crime rate in decades. You don;t think what he said was racist?


are you sure the NYPD are not just cooking some books when it comes to that?

Going off on increasingly irrelevant tangents to cover for Trump's overt racism is a bold move.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:07 pm

Liriena wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
are you sure the NYPD are not just cooking some books when it comes to that?

Going off on increasingly irrelevant tangents to cover for Trump's overt racism is a bold move.


one could say "outstanding" buuuuuuuuut thats nether here nor there.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:09 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Liriena wrote:Going off on increasingly irrelevant tangents to cover for Trump's overt racism is a bold move.


one could say "outstanding" buuuuuuuuut thats nether here nor there.


Therefore you made up that claim and wont denounce his outright racist remarks?

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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:16 pm

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Loben The 2nd wrote:https://komonews.com/news/local/tacoma-police-shoot-man-throwing-incendiaries-at-northwest-detention-center

no idea where to put this but i figured here would be appropriate.

One less terrorist in the world.
What does sicken me is that there are people - many people - praising this man for his actions, primarily on Reddit and on Twitter.

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GEO Group, which runs the 1,575-bed Northwest Detention Center, in an email to The Associated Press said baseless accusations about how detainees are treated at its facilities "have led to misplaced aggression and a dangerous environment for our employees, whose safety is our top priority. Violence of any kind against our employees and property will not be tolerated. We are thankful for the quick and brave action by the Tacoma Police Department, which prevented innocent lives from being endangered."

GEO Group said the detention center in Tacoma has modern amenities with air conditioning, recreational activities, a bed for every individual and medical care available at all hours.

Last year, a federal judge ruled that Washington state could pursue its lawsuit seeking to force GEO Group to pay minimum wage for work done by detainees at the detention center.

Oh fuck off you ghouls. I hope your company is nationalized and burned to the ground just for shit and giggles.

>literal terrorist attack happens
>"fuck yuo ice"
:thinking:


Because obviously, people become utterly immune to all criticism ever once some fuckwit attacks them. That's totally how it works.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:20 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
one could say "outstanding" buuuuuuuuut thats nether here nor there.


Therefore you made up that claim and wont denounce his outright racist remarks?


why should i?

am i his zoo keeper?
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:20 pm

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:One less terrorist in the world.
What does sicken me is that there are people - many people - praising this man for his actions, primarily on Reddit and on Twitter.

Yeah, I saw that. Absolutely stupid.

Wasn't sure you'd say that, given the circles you run in...

It'd be one thing if it was massive civil disobedience to try and shut the concentration camps down, but a single man trying to shoot at it and throw molotov cocktails? Even if I can sympathise with the underlying motivation (y'know, trying to save people from concentration camps), it's madness.

Fair, but elaborate on "civil disobedience" in this context.

Proctopeo wrote:>literal terrorist attack happens
>"fuck yuo ice"
:thinking:

The reprehensible nature of the attack has no bearing on the fact that the GEO Group is profiting from concentration camps and shouldn't exist.

It shouldn't be your go-to response.

Salandriagado wrote:Because obviously, people become utterly immune to all criticism ever once some fuckwit attacks them. That's totally how it works.

Literally never said that, but go off.
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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:21 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Therefore you made up that claim and wont denounce his outright racist remarks?


why should i?

am i his zoo keeper?

Because it was racist and xenophobic and you dodged by implying NYC was a foreign country and the NYPD cooked the books on crime. Do you think his comments were wrong or not?

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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:27 pm

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


Just thought this reminder would be nice.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:28 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Therefore you made up that claim and wont denounce his outright racist remarks?


why should i?

am i his zoo keeper?

Yes. As a citizen of the country he represents you 100% are.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:31 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
why should i?

am i his zoo keeper?

Yes. As a citizen of the country he represents you 100% are.


tbh he seems to me to be an average new yorker. Loud, Brash and probably insecure.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:35 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Yes. As a citizen of the country he represents you 100% are.


tbh he seems to me to be an average new yorker. Loud, Brash and probably insecure.


Kinda like you?

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Postby San Lumen » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:35 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Yes. As a citizen of the country he represents you 100% are.


tbh he seems to me to be an average new yorker. Loud, Brash and probably insecure.

and he insulted a congresswoman from New York telling her to go back to her crime infested and broken county. she was born in America

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Postby Tobleste » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:37 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
are you sure the NYPD are not just cooking some books when it comes to that?

If you have differing statistics, do bring them forward. Otherwise, your claim is hollow.


Honestly, I think they just believe every Democrat leaning city is a Mad Max style dystopia. "Statistics" and "evidence" aren't necessary.
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Postby Loben The 2nd » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:39 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
tbh he seems to me to be an average new yorker. Loud, Brash and probably insecure.


Kinda like you?


scratch the probably and replace with very and yes.
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Postby Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:46 pm

Loben The 2nd wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Yes. As a citizen of the country he represents you 100% are.


tbh he seems to me to be an average new yorker. Loud, Brash and probably insecure.

I’m just gonna assume you think he’s racist until you say otherwise, tbh.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:47 pm

Tobleste wrote:
Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:If you have differing statistics, do bring them forward. Otherwise, your claim is hollow.


Honestly, I think they just believe every Democrat leaning city is a Mad Max style dystopia. "Statistics" and "evidence" aren't necessary.

Well, remember Gingrich says that feels trump facts.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:48 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
tbh he seems to me to be an average new yorker. Loud, Brash and probably insecure.

I’m just gonna assume you think he’s racist until you say otherwise, tbh.

And that he's okay with it.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Liriena » Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:52 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Liriena wrote:Yeah, I saw that. Absolutely stupid.

Wasn't sure you'd say that, given the circles you run in...

It'd be one thing if it was massive civil disobedience to try and shut the concentration camps down, but a single man trying to shoot at it and throw molotov cocktails? Even if I can sympathise with the underlying motivation (y'know, trying to save people from concentration camps), it's madness.

Fair, but elaborate on "civil disobedience" in this context.

One thing that many protestors were doing was block the entrances to keep the concentration camp employees from leaving. If their victims can't leave, then neither should they. That was good praxis.

Proctopeo wrote:
The reprehensible nature of the attack has no bearing on the fact that the GEO Group is profiting from concentration camps and shouldn't exist.

It shouldn't be your go-to response.

Why not?
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Postby Tobleste » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:18 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Tobleste wrote:
Honestly, I think they just believe every Democrat leaning city is a Mad Max style dystopia. "Statistics" and "evidence" aren't necessary.

Well, remember Gingrich says that feels trump facts.


True. I got criticised for saying Republicans voters seem a little crazy but as far as I can tell, Republican politicians are saying the same thing.
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Postby Ifreann » Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:36 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:https://komonews.com/news/local/tacoma-police-shoot-man-throwing-incendiaries-at-northwest-detention-center

no idea where to put this but i figured here would be appropriate.

One less terrorist in the world.
What does sicken me is that there are people - many people - praising this man for his actions, primarily on Reddit and on Twitter.

Liriena wrote:
GEO Group, which runs the 1,575-bed Northwest Detention Center, in an email to The Associated Press said baseless accusations about how detainees are treated at its facilities "have led to misplaced aggression and a dangerous environment for our employees, whose safety is our top priority. Violence of any kind against our employees and property will not be tolerated. We are thankful for the quick and brave action by the Tacoma Police Department, which prevented innocent lives from being endangered."

GEO Group said the detention center in Tacoma has modern amenities with air conditioning, recreational activities, a bed for every individual and medical care available at all hours.

Last year, a federal judge ruled that Washington state could pursue its lawsuit seeking to force GEO Group to pay minimum wage for work done by detainees at the detention center.

Oh fuck off you ghouls. I hope your company is nationalized and burned to the ground just for shit and giggles.

>literal terrorist attack happens
>"fuck yuo ice"
:thinking:

How was it a terrorist attack?


Liriena wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
tbh NYC and Somalia are notoriously crime infested.

NYC is not a foreign country.

It is from where I'm posting. :P


Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:
are you sure the NYPD are not just cooking some books when it comes to that?

If you have differing statistics, do bring them forward. Otherwise, your claim is hollow.

The Simpsons joked about NYC being crime-riddled in the 90s, so it must be true.
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Postby Gormwood » Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:51 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Loben The 2nd wrote:https://komonews.com/news/local/tacoma-police-shoot-man-throwing-incendiaries-at-northwest-detention-center

no idea where to put this but i figured here would be appropriate.

One less terrorist in the world.
What does sicken me is that there are people - many people - praising this man for his actions, primarily on Reddit and on Twitter.

Question being, was he opposing the facility or just wanting to Burn Some Beaners down?
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jul 14, 2019 5:54 pm

Liriena wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:Wasn't sure you'd say that, given the circles you run in...


Fair, but elaborate on "civil disobedience" in this context.

One thing that many protestors were doing was block the entrances to keep the concentration camp employees from leaving. If their victims can't leave, then neither should they. That was good praxis.

That's fair. Just don't block major roadways/any highway, freeway, or interstate; ambulances and firetrucks need to get to their destinations ASAP.

Proctopeo wrote:It shouldn't be your go-to response.

Why not?

It shows at the best disinterest, at the worst, sympathies.

Ifreann wrote:
Proctopeo wrote:One less terrorist in the world.
What does sicken me is that there are people - many people - praising this man for his actions, primarily on Reddit and on Twitter.


>literal terrorist attack happens
>"fuck yuo ice"
:thinking:

How was it a terrorist attack?

How was it not? He used unlawful violence and intimidation in pursuit of political aims, that's textbook terrorism.
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Postby Duhon » Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:02 pm

Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States wrote:
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


Just thought this reminder would be nice.


Quoting ain't doing. I see no mass protests to overthrow "such Government". How long before I see that? Gimme a date.

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