MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Ism]

Ah yes, compromise=kowtowing. That’s a healthy attitude for a democracy.

You can call it compromise, but how do you think Trump would play it in his rallies? Total victory over the loser Democrats. I mean, he'll say that anyway, but it'll seem less false if they have compromised with him.

And recall with whom you are proposing to seek a compromise. Trump has opened concentration camps and apparently thinks that only white Americans belong in America.

As for the second part of your post, your plan not only relies on Congressional Republicans turning on Trump, but also on McConnell. lol

In order to stay in office themselves, yes. Do you think that the GOP has any more loyalty to Trump than Trump has to them?

Trump spins everything as a total win, he spun caving during the shutdown as a total win. Some people believe him when he goes on like that, most don't give a shit. Refusing to get things done because Trump likes to bloviate is unacceptable. He does enough damage himself, no point in doing more on his behalf.

Of course the GOP itself isn't loyal to Trump, but the Republican base absolutely is. The Reps aren't going to do something to upset their base at this point, like staging a revolt against a Republican White House and their own Congressional leadership.

Ah yes, compromise=kowtowing. That’s a healthy attitude for a democracy.

As for the second part of your post, your plan not only relies on Congressional Republicans turning on Trump, but also on McConnell. lol

So what would be an acceptable compromise to you?

I'd be fine with beefing up border security and like, in exchange for funds to give detained migrants better living conditions, especially the children, and better handling of asylum claims.

[San Lumen]

You can call it compromise, but how do you think Trump would play it in his rallies? Total victory over the loser Democrats. I mean, he'll say that anyway, but it'll seem less false if they have compromised with him.

And recall with whom you are proposing to seek a compromise. Trump has opened concentration camps and apparently thinks that only white Americans belong in America.


In order to stay in office themselves, yes. Do you think that the GOP has any more loyalty to Trump than Trump has to them?

Trump spins everything as a total win, he spun caving during the shutdown as a total win. Some people believe him when he goes on like that, most don't give a shit. Refusing to get things done because Trump likes to bloviate is unacceptable. He does enough damage himself, no point in doing more on his behalf.

Of course the GOP itself isn't loyal to Trump, but the Republican base absolutely is. The Reps aren't going to do something to upset their base at this point, like staging a revolt against a Republican White House and their own Congressional leadership.

So what would be an acceptable compromise to you?

I'd be fine with beefing up border security and like, in exchange for funds to give detained migrants better living conditions, especially the children, and better handling of asylum claims.

They should stab their base in the back for the good of the county and refuse to support his re-election

[Zurkerx]

Trump spins everything as a total win, he spun caving during the shutdown as a total win. Some people believe him when he goes on like that, most don't give a shit. Refusing to get things done because Trump likes to bloviate is unacceptable. He does enough damage himself, no point in doing more on his behalf.

Of course the GOP itself isn't loyal to Trump, but the Republican base absolutely is. The Reps aren't going to do something to upset their base at this point, like staging a revolt against a Republican White House and their own Congressional leadership.



I'd be fine with beefing up border security and like, in exchange for funds to give detained migrants better living conditions, especially the children, and better handling of asylum claims.

They should stab their base in the back for the good of the county and refuse to support his re-election

You know that's not going to happen. And even if they did, his base supports him anyway so, it's a mute point. They're not going to sacrifice their political power. At this point, they're going to try to ride out the storm and hope he's not re-elected (which at this point, he's somewhat certain to win).

But Trump is right about one thing: the Establishment is weak. Whether that was fighting or submitting to him, they're weak.

[Ifreann]

You can call it compromise, but how do you think Trump would play it in his rallies? Total victory over the loser Democrats. I mean, he'll say that anyway, but it'll seem less false if they have compromised with him.

And recall with whom you are proposing to seek a compromise. Trump has opened concentration camps and apparently thinks that only white Americans belong in America.


In order to stay in office themselves, yes. Do you think that the GOP has any more loyalty to Trump than Trump has to them?

Trump spins everything as a total win, he spun caving during the shutdown as a total win. Some people believe him when he goes on like that, most don't give a shit. Refusing to get things done because Trump likes to bloviate is unacceptable. He does enough damage himself, no point in doing more on his behalf.

As I said, it will seem less false if he's actually getting his way to some extent. He'll convince more people.

Of course the GOP itself isn't loyal to Trump, but the Republican base absolutely is. The Reps aren't going to do something to upset their base at this point, like staging a revolt against a Republican White House and their own Congressional leadership.

Trump's base is a few hundred loons who follow his rallies around like a band on tour.

[Thuzbekistan]

Trump spins everything as a total win, he spun caving during the shutdown as a total win. Some people believe him when he goes on like that, most don't give a shit. Refusing to get things done because Trump likes to bloviate is unacceptable. He does enough damage himself, no point in doing more on his behalf.

As I said, it will seem less false if he's actually getting his way to some extent. He'll convince more people.

Of course the GOP itself isn't loyal to Trump, but the Republican base absolutely is. The Reps aren't going to do something to upset their base at this point, like staging a revolt against a Republican White House and their own Congressional leadership.

Trump's base is a few hundred loons who follow his rallies around like a band on tour.

Given I've seen his rallies before, that's not true at all. I'm sure theres people that follow him around, but he overflowed our largest concert hall in southaven ms. Thousands showed up.

[Liriena]

Yeah, I wouldn't go out of my way to try and minimize the size of the crowds that Trump can attract when he's campaigning. While I wouldn't be shocked if there was some astroturfing here and there, there is a significant number of people who are fanatically devoted to him.

If a sizeable portion of Republican voters were willing to change their minds on military intervention in Syria the moment Trump did it, who's to say that thousands of them wouldn't be willing to show up at his rallies?

[Galloism]

Yeah, I wouldn't go out of my way to try and minimize the size of the crowds that Trump can attract when he's campaigning. While I wouldn't be shocked if there was some astroturfing here and there, there is a significant number of people who are fanatically devoted to him.

If a sizeable portion of Republican voters were willing to change their minds on military intervention in Syria the moment Trump did it, who's to say that thousands of them wouldn't be willing to show up at his rallies?

He's a big hit in the south - common refrain is that everyone is mean and unfair to him and he's doing the best he can.

I'm convinced I live in a different universe.

[Ism]

Trump spins everything as a total win, he spun caving during the shutdown as a total win. Some people believe him when he goes on like that, most don't give a shit. Refusing to get things done because Trump likes to bloviate is unacceptable. He does enough damage himself, no point in doing more on his behalf.

As I said, it will seem less false if he's actually getting his way to some extent. He'll convince more people.

Of course the GOP itself isn't loyal to Trump, but the Republican base absolutely is. The Reps aren't going to do something to upset their base at this point, like staging a revolt against a Republican White House and their own Congressional leadership.

Trump's base is a few hundred loons who follow his rallies around like a band on tour.

Yeah, maybe, and that's bad, but you're not going to convince me that a few more people believing Trump's nonsense is worse than thousands of people continuing to live in abysmal conditions.

Trump's own base may be small, but it still can have some pull in elections. The Republican base, however, is much larger, and is itself currently loyal to Trump.

Yeah, I wouldn't go out of my way to try and minimize the size of the crowds that Trump can attract when he's campaigning. While I wouldn't be shocked if there was some astroturfing here and there, there is a significant number of people who are fanatically devoted to him.

If a sizeable portion of Republican voters were willing to change their minds on military intervention in Syria the moment Trump did it, who's to say that thousands of them wouldn't be willing to show up at his rallies?

He's a big hit in the south - common refrain is that everyone is mean and unfair to him and he's doing the best he can.

I'm convinced I live in a different universe.

You, uh, you haven't happened to notice Rod Serling skulking about have you?

[Liriena]

Yeah, I wouldn't go out of my way to try and minimize the size of the crowds that Trump can attract when he's campaigning. While I wouldn't be shocked if there was some astroturfing here and there, there is a significant number of people who are fanatically devoted to him.

If a sizeable portion of Republican voters were willing to change their minds on military intervention in Syria the moment Trump did it, who's to say that thousands of them wouldn't be willing to show up at his rallies?

He's a big hit in the south - common refrain is that everyone is mean and unfair to him and he's doing the best he can.

I'm convinced I live in a different universe.

I can relate to that experience. Over the past few years, our media went out of its way to push the idea of a "rift" in our national politics. A weird case of actively increasing polarization by allegedly observing a polarization someone else had allegedly started.

Anyway, one of the aspects of this "rift" is this recurring feeling one may get that people are living in separate universes, in terms of how they perceive current events. Some people look at the state of affairs and think "man, the incumbent president is wrecking our shit", while others think "man, the opposition is doing everything in its power to sabotage this wonderful guy who's trying to salvage this wreckage".

[The Black Forrest]

Yeah, maybe, and that's bad, but you're not going to convince me that a few more people believing Trump's nonsense is worse than thousands of people continuing to live in abysmal conditions.

Trump's own base may be small, but it still can have some pull in elections. The Republican base, however, is much larger, and is itself currently loyal to Trump.

There are the batch who believe his lies hook line and sinker (I have relatives in that batch).

There are the batch who think owning the libs is important and the press is over exaggerating the issue.

There are the batch who think it's ok as it will be short term and it's ok if it detours the migration.

You, uh, you haven't happened to notice Rod Serling skulking about have you?

Gallo is not off. My mom is into geo-caching and there was a multistate event with Texas as the HQ. She said she was suprised at how many maga hats and trump hats were worn there. She was also threatened by a conceal carry maga hat woman. My mom has this tee shirt that said don't mess with me I am geocaching. The woman asked oh yea what are you going to do about it? Mom made the mistake a saying "I don't know? Punch you?" She said you can try but I warn you I am carrying. Did I mention my mother is a 5 ft older woman who looks like the wind could blow her over?

Anyway; the south is big into donnie as gallo said.

[Ifreann]

As I said, it will seem less false if he's actually getting his way to some extent. He'll convince more people.


Trump's base is a few hundred loons who follow his rallies around like a band on tour.

Yeah, maybe, and that's bad, but you're not going to convince me that a few more people believing Trump's nonsense is worse than thousands of people continuing to live in abysmal conditions.

Trump being the President is worse than Trump not being the President, which has some correlation to people supporting his campaign and voting for him.

Trump's own base may be small, but it still can have some pull in elections. The Republican base, however, is much larger, and is itself currently loyal to Trump.

Which means they'll vote for him. It doesn't mean they'll vote for whoever else he tells them to vote for.

[San Lumen]

They should stab their base in the back for the good of the county and refuse to support his re-election

You know that's not going to happen. And even if they did, his base supports him anyway so, it's a mute point. They're not going to sacrifice their political power. At this point, they're going to try to ride out the storm and hope he's not re-elected (which at this point, he's somewhat certain to win).

But Trump is right about one thing: the Establishment is weak. Whether that was fighting or submitting to him, they're weak.

No he isn’t certain to win but if you feel that way no need to vote and tell all your republican friends not to vote either as it’s in the bag

[Duhon]

> posts unvarnished three-part bigot POTUS tweet
> not universal condemnation, but even worse
> "hey guys we can work with this jackass"
> "Ilhan Omar is the worst, change my mind"

smash
my
fucking
head

[Liriena]

> posts unvarnished three-part bigot POTUS tweet
> not universal condemnation, but even worse
> "hey guys we can work with this jackass"
> "Ilhan Omar is the worst, change my mind"

smash
my
fucking
head

MUSLIM LADY BAD, Duhon. MUSLIM LADY BAD

[Duhon]

> posts unvarnished three-part bigot POTUS tweet
> not universal condemnation, but even worse
> "hey guys we can work with this jackass"
> "Ilhan Omar is the worst, change my mind"

smash
my
fucking
head

MUSLIM LADY BAD, Duhon. MUSLIM LADY BAD

worse than that, actually

DISSENTING FURREENEERS BAD
and
DISSENT BAD
and
CONSTITUTIONAL METHODS GOOD EVEN THOUGH TRUMP CAN'T BE CONTAINED BY CONSTITUTIONAL METHODS ALONE

[The South Falls]

How can we trust this guy with a nation?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

How can we trust this guy with a nation?

We can't.

There are systems in place to prevent that.

Those systems have failed under partisan pressure.

[The South Falls]

How can we trust this guy with a nation?

We can't.

There are systems in place to prevent that.

Those systems have failed under partisan pressure.

And now, with the very threat of those systems, Trump.may win again, invalidating the whole processes' purpose.

[Proctopeo]

https://komonews.com/news/local/tacoma-police-shoot-man-throwing-incendiaries-at-northwest-detention-center

no idea where to put this but i figured here would be appropriate.

One less terrorist in the world.
What does sicken me is that there are people - many people - praising this man for his actions, primarily on Reddit and on Twitter.

https://komonews.com/news/local/tacoma-police-shoot-man-throwing-incendiaries-at-northwest-detention-center

no idea where to put this but i figured here would be appropriate.

GEO Group, which runs the 1,575-bed Northwest Detention Center, in an email to The Associated Press said baseless accusations about how detainees are treated at its facilities "have led to misplaced aggression and a dangerous environment for our employees, whose safety is our top priority. Violence of any kind against our employees and property will not be tolerated. We are thankful for the quick and brave action by the Tacoma Police Department, which prevented innocent lives from being endangered."

GEO Group said the detention center in Tacoma has modern amenities with air conditioning, recreational activities, a bed for every individual and medical care available at all hours.

Last year, a federal judge ruled that Washington state could pursue its lawsuit seeking to force GEO Group to pay minimum wage for work done by detainees at the detention center.

Oh fuck off you ghouls. I hope your company is nationalized and burned to the ground just for shit and giggles.

>literal terrorist attack happens
>"fuck yuo ice"
:thinking:

[San Lumen]

Its amazing to me the silence by Republicans regarding Trumps racist tweet about Alexandra Ocasio Cortez, Ayanna Pressely and Ilhan Omar telling them to go back to their broken and crime infested countries from whence they came. it doesn't gut more racist than that. The silence from Republicans speaks volumes

[Loben The 2nd]

Its amazing to me the silence by Republicans regarding Trumps racist tweet about Alexandra Ocasio Cortez, Ayanna Pressely and Ilhan Omar telling them to go back to their broken and crime infested countries from whence they came. it doesn't gut more racist than that. The silence from Republicans speaks volumes

tbh NYC and Somalia are notoriously crime infested.

[San Lumen]

Its amazing to me the silence by Republicans regarding Trumps racist tweet about Alexandra Ocasio Cortez, Ayanna Pressely and Ilhan Omar telling them to go back to their broken and crime infested countries from whence they came. it doesn't gut more racist than that. The silence from Republicans speaks volumes

tbh NYC and Somalia are notoriously crime infested.

correction NYC has its lowest crime rate in decades. You don;t think what he said was racist?

[Liriena]

https://komonews.com/news/local/tacoma-police-shoot-man-throwing-incendiaries-at-northwest-detention-center

no idea where to put this but i figured here would be appropriate.

One less terrorist in the world.
What does sicken me is that there are people - many people - praising this man for his actions, primarily on Reddit and on Twitter.

Yeah, I saw that. Absolutely stupid.

It'd be one thing if it was massive civil disobedience to try and shut the concentration camps down, but a single man trying to shoot at it and throw molotov cocktails? Even if I can sympathise with the underlying motivation (y'know, trying to save people from concentration camps), it's madness.

GEO Group, which runs the 1,575-bed Northwest Detention Center, in an email to The Associated Press said baseless accusations about how detainees are treated at its facilities "have led to misplaced aggression and a dangerous environment for our employees, whose safety is our top priority. Violence of any kind against our employees and property will not be tolerated. We are thankful for the quick and brave action by the Tacoma Police Department, which prevented innocent lives from being endangered."

GEO Group said the detention center in Tacoma has modern amenities with air conditioning, recreational activities, a bed for every individual and medical care available at all hours.

Last year, a federal judge ruled that Washington state could pursue its lawsuit seeking to force GEO Group to pay minimum wage for work done by detainees at the detention center.

Oh fuck off you ghouls. I hope your company is nationalized and burned to the ground just for shit and giggles.

>literal terrorist attack happens
>"fuck yuo ice"
:thinking:

The reprehensible nature of the attack has no bearing on the fact that the GEO Group is profiting from concentration camps and shouldn't exist.

[Liriena]

Its amazing to me the silence by Republicans regarding Trumps racist tweet about Alexandra Ocasio Cortez, Ayanna Pressely and Ilhan Omar telling them to go back to their broken and crime infested countries from whence they came. it doesn't gut more racist than that. The silence from Republicans speaks volumes

tbh NYC and Somalia are notoriously crime infested.

NYC is not a foreign country.

[Loben The 2nd]

tbh NYC and Somalia are notoriously crime infested.

correction NYC has its lowest crime rate in decades. You don;t think what he said was racist?

are you sure the NYPD are not just cooking some books when it comes to that?