MAGAThread XVI: Raising the Barr

[Ism]

Trump probably didn't write that Tweet himself, and it's actually not stupid. It's malicious. The tweet is pouring gasoline on the fire raging in the Democratic party, and it's adding to the divide between the Pelosi wing and the popular "squad", which they're apparently known as. Adding a touch of "Democrats want to destroy America" to the public discourse is just icing on the cake.

Everybody knows he is a racist, and that the Republicans don't care about that. The question is if Pelosi will play into his hands or not, so this is now about the response from the Democratic side.

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/statu ... 1713265665

When @realDonaldTrump tells four American Congresswomen to go back to their countries, he reaffirms his plan to “Make America Great Again” has always been about making America white again.

Our diversity is our strength and our unity is our power.

I reject @realDonaldTrump’s xenophobic comments meant to divide our nation. Rather than attack Members of Congress, he should work with us for humane immigration policy that reflects American values. Stop the raids - #FamiliesBelongTogether!

Trump's being a racist, and you still want to work with him on immigration? Em. How about no?

Yes, much better to not move forward on immigration at all, and allow Trump to keep doing what he’s doing. That’s working out so well after all.

[Liriena]

With the exception of Omar, who's awesome.

What does makes her awesome though?

I stan her ever since she stood up to that guy the Trump administration wanted to put in charge of the Venezuela intervention, and called him out on the fact that his previous work in foreign interventions included human rights violations.

[Ifreann]

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/statu ... 1713265665

When @realDonaldTrump tells four American Congresswomen to go back to their countries, he reaffirms his plan to “Make America Great Again” has always been about making America white again.

Our diversity is our strength and our unity is our power.

I reject @realDonaldTrump’s xenophobic comments meant to divide our nation. Rather than attack Members of Congress, he should work with us for humane immigration policy that reflects American values. Stop the raids - #FamiliesBelongTogether!

Trump's being a racist, and you still want to work with him on immigration? Em. How about no?

Yes, much better to not move forward on immigration at all, and allow Trump to keep doing what he’s doing. That’s working out so well after all.

Those aren't the only options.

[Cannot think of a name]

Trump probably didn't write that Tweet himself, and it's actually not stupid. It's malicious. The tweet is pouring gasoline on the fire raging in the Democratic party, and it's adding to the divide between the Pelosi wing and the popular "squad", which they're apparently known as. Adding a touch of "Democrats want to destroy America" to the public discourse is just icing on the cake.

Everybody knows he is a racist, and that the Republicans don't care about that. The question is if Pelosi will play into his hands or not, so this is now about the response from the Democratic side.

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/statu ... 1713265665

When @realDonaldTrump tells four American Congresswomen to go back to their countries, he reaffirms his plan to “Make America Great Again” has always been about making America white again.

Our diversity is our strength and our unity is our power.

I reject @realDonaldTrump’s xenophobic comments meant to divide our nation. Rather than attack Members of Congress, he should work with us for humane immigration policy that reflects American values. Stop the raids - #FamiliesBelongTogether!

Trump's being a racist, and you still want to work with him on immigration? Em. How about no?

Someone has to at least pretend to be interested in doing their job.

[Ism]

Yes, much better to not move forward on immigration at all, and allow Trump to keep doing what he’s doing. That’s working out so well after all.

Those aren't the only options.

And what are these other options? As far as I can see, they either try to work across the isle, and hopefully mitigate the damage being done, or they talk about how awful Trump is but don’t actually accomplish anything. They can’t push things through Congress, they can’t alter executive directives, so all they can do are make symbolic actions and hope the courts or elections change things.

[Thuzbekistan]

Those aren't the only options.

And what are these other options? As far as I can see, they either try to work across the isle, and hopefully mitigate the damage being done, or they talk about how awful Trump is but don’t actually accomplish anything. They can’t push things through Congress, they can’t alter executive directives, so all they can do are make symbolic actions and hope the courts or elections change things.

Given that the only acute problems are created by trump, elect someone more moderate: give amnesty to those who are already here and even a super simple path to citizenship and then build the wall and fund customs and border patrol to try and stop the drug trade, and reform ICE to stop being a racist POS. All these kids need to be released and reunited with their parents, the families dispersed around the nation as part of a refugee program, and given all available aid to help set up a life here.

We all comment on how crappy the central american and south american nations are, but don't do anything to help them or their refugees.

[Ism]

And what are these other options? As far as I can see, they either try to work across the isle, and hopefully mitigate the damage being done, or they talk about how awful Trump is but don’t actually accomplish anything. They can’t push things through Congress, they can’t alter executive directives, so all they can do are make symbolic actions and hope the courts or elections change things.

Given that the only acute problems are created by trump, elect someone more moderate: give amnesty to those who are already here and even a super simple path to citizenship and then build the wall and fund customs and border patrol to try and stop the drug trade, and reform ICE to stop being a racist POS. All these kids need to be released and reunited with their parents, the families dispersed around the nation as part of a refugee program, and given all available aid to help set up a life here.

We all comment on how crappy the central american and south american nations are, but don't do anything to help them or their refugees.

Yeah I’d rather not wait until 2021 to stop putting kids in concentration camps. And that’s assuming a Dem victory.

[Ifreann]

Those aren't the only options.

And what are these other options? As far as I can see, they either try to work across the isle,

Exactly. Work across the aisles in Congress and cut Trump out. Move forward on immigration without him. Mitch McConnell is up for re-election, start making everything that doesn't happen his fault.

and hopefully mitigate the damage being done, or they talk about how awful Trump is but don’t actually accomplish anything. They can’t push things through Congress, they can’t alter executive directives, so all they can do are make symbolic actions and hope the courts or elections change things.

Why do you think that Democrats can work with Trump, who wants to send people born in America back to the countries they originally came from, but they can't work with the Republicans in Congress?

[Ifreann]

Given that the only acute problems are created by trump, elect someone more moderate: give amnesty to those who are already here and even a super simple path to citizenship and then build the wall and fund customs and border patrol to try and stop the drug trade, and reform ICE to stop being a racist POS. All these kids need to be released and reunited with their parents, the families dispersed around the nation as part of a refugee program, and given all available aid to help set up a life here.

We all comment on how crappy the central american and south american nations are, but don't do anything to help them or their refugees.

Yeah I’d rather not wait until 2021 to stop putting kids in concentration camps. And that’s assuming a Dem victory.

You don't have to wait until 2021 for Trump to be removed from office.

[Gormwood]

More specifically what confuses me is he says women plural, but to my knowledge Omar is the only one who’s an immigrant woman in Congress

Yes, see, he's a racist white nationalist, who thinks that America is a white country for white people.

Brown people are for staffing his hotels and golf resorts on the cheap unless they're rich and powerful, in which case they're welcome at his hotels and golf resorts for as much money as he can sucker out of them.

[Vassenor]

But why would any real American dare to hate America?

My point is a bit more practical. I hate Donald Trump but him being President clearly shows that all the things he said on the campaign trail is something that resonated with people around the country

And yet more people still voted for Hillary over him.

[Galloism]

My point is a bit more practical. I hate Donald Trump but him being President clearly shows that all the things he said on the campaign trail is something that resonated with people around the country

And yet more people still voted for Hillary over him.

Yes, but a lot of people also voted for trump. About 63 million people.

You can't deny that level of resonating regarding the things he said. Of course he didn't do half of them (where's TrumpCare? "Take care of everybody?" Anyone?), but what he said did resonate with nearly half the country.

[Ism]

And what are these other options? As far as I can see, they either try to work across the isle,

Exactly. Work across the aisles in Congress and cut Trump out. Move forward on immigration without him. Mitch McConnell is up for re-election, start making everything that doesn't happen his fault.

and hopefully mitigate the damage being done, or they talk about how awful Trump is but don’t actually accomplish anything. They can’t push things through Congress, they can’t alter executive directives, so all they can do are make symbolic actions and hope the courts or elections change things.

Why do you think that Democrats can work with Trump, who wants to send people born in America back to the countries they originally came from, but they can't work with the Republicans in Congress?

Because thinking you can get enough Republican support in the Senate to pass something Trump opposes while he’s very popular with the base this close to an election is laughably naive. Thinking thinking you can get enough support from Republicans in the Senate and the House to overcome a veto from Trump, is just plain absurd. And constantly attacking McConnell will certainly not lead to him derailing any efforts the Dems make in the Senate, no sir, he’s not all a vengeful snake. Forgiving and full of integrity, that’s the McConnell I know.

[Ism]

Yeah I’d rather not wait until 2021 to stop putting kids in concentration camps. And that’s assuming a Dem victory.

You don't have to wait until 2021 for Trump to be removed from office.

President Pence to the rescue? Doubtful, to say the least.

[Kowani]

And yet more people still voted for Hillary over him.

Yes, but a lot of people also voted for trump. About 63 million people.

You can't deny that level of resonating regarding the things he said. Of course he didn't do half of them (where's TrumpCare? "Take care of everybody?" Anyone?), but what he said did resonate with nearly half the country.

Not necessarily. A part of it is typical partisanship, although you’re probably right overall.

[Nakena]

You don't have to wait until 2021 for Trump to be removed from office.

President Pence to the rescue? Doubtful, to say the least.

I doubt if that would be a good idea given that he believes quite literally in shocking the gay away. Which isn't exactly the most enlightened approach,

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

You don't have to wait until 2021 for Trump to be removed from office.

President Pence to the rescue? Doubtful, to say the least.

If Trump were to be impeached, the offences would also require the impeachment of Pence.

So, president Pelosi.

[Galloism]

Yes, but a lot of people also voted for trump. About 63 million people.

You can't deny that level of resonating regarding the things he said. Of course he didn't do half of them (where's TrumpCare? "Take care of everybody?" Anyone?), but what he said did resonate with nearly half the country.

Not necessarily. A part of it is typical partisanship, although you’re probably right overall.

Well, but partisanship doesn't change his trouncing of the primary. He took 44% of the primary vote of what was it... 50 candidates? 75?

[Galloism]

President Pence to the rescue? Doubtful, to say the least.

If Trump were to be impeached, the offences would also require the impeachment of Pence.

So, president Pelosi.

I'd like to take the opportunity to drink excessively heavily.

[San Lumen]

President Pence to the rescue? Doubtful, to say the least.

If Trump were to be impeached, the offences would also require the impeachment of Pence.

So, president Pelosi.

Republicans will never vote to convict. He could try to drop nuclear weapons on Chicago or Baltimore or assault or shoot a secret service agent and they would vote to acquit

[Kowani]

Not necessarily. A part of it is typical partisanship, although you’re probably right overall.

Well, but partisanship doesn't change his trouncing of the primary. He took 44% of the primary vote of what was it... 50 candidates? 75?

True.

[Telconi]

President Pence to the rescue? Doubtful, to say the least.

If Trump were to be impeached, the offences would also require the impeachment of Pence.

So, president Pelosi.

Implying ol' Mitch would ever allow a convicting vote to happen.

[San Lumen]

If Trump were to be impeached, the offences would also require the impeachment of Pence.

So, president Pelosi.

Implying ol' Mitch would ever allow a convicting vote to happen.

He has too. It’s one vote he cannot prevent but republicans would never vote to convict even if Trump committed murder

[Gravlen]

With the exception of Omar, who's awesome.

What does makes her awesome though?

No, no she would not. See Ron Paul.

Ron Paul was the hero america deserved but didn got.

I can see him now, heroically sitting on a rocking chair in Paul's Gulch, just waiting for the inevitable collapse of society which will occurr after Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos and the Koch brothers decide to leave everything behind and hide out in his cabin.

[Ism]

President Pence to the rescue? Doubtful, to say the least.

If Trump were to be impeached, the offences would also require the impeachment of Pence.

So, president Pelosi.

The Republicans are unlikely to support removing Trump, never mind Pence. You’re certainly lorn going to get them to put Pelosi in the White House.