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Postby Kowani » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:19 pm

Bombadil wrote:Meanwhile in the highly contentious world of knitting..

One of the biggest knitting websites in the world, which claims to have more than 8 million members, has announced that it will ban users from expressing support for Donald Trump, saying that to do so constitutes “white supremacy”.

On Sunday, administrators for Ravelry, a site for knitters, crocheters, designers and anyone dabbling in the fibre arts, said that they were making any expression of support for Trump and his administration in forum posts, patterns, on their personal profile pages or elsewhere permanently off limits.

“We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy,” the site’s administrators said in a post.

Users could also be permanently banned under the policy.


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I'm assuming our resident granny moderator Farnhamia is a key activist here..

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Postby Bombadil » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:22 pm

Kowani wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Meanwhile in the highly contentious world of knitting..

One of the biggest knitting websites in the world, which claims to have more than 8 million members, has announced that it will ban users from expressing support for Donald Trump, saying that to do so constitutes “white supremacy”.

On Sunday, administrators for Ravelry, a site for knitters, crocheters, designers and anyone dabbling in the fibre arts, said that they were making any expression of support for Trump and his administration in forum posts, patterns, on their personal profile pages or elsewhere permanently off limits.

“We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy,” the site’s administrators said in a post.

Users could also be permanently banned under the policy.


Link

I'm assuming our resident granny moderator Farnhamia is a key activist here..

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Librarians can be too, I quite like discovering hidden power networks.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:27 pm

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Kowani wrote:I knew that Grandmas were badasses!


Librarians can be too, I quite like discovering hidden power networks.

Hidden power networks? Here, hold this 220 line while I make some adjustments.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:36 pm

Pim Fortuyn wrote:
Telconi wrote:
"David Duke accuses prominent black politician of personally burglarizing his home"

Yup, nothing suspicious about that at all...

Why would they wait until now?


Attempting to maximize the smear ahead of 2020.

The dems really don't have anything else to run with, so they go to their old standby of unsubstantiated accusations of sexual assault.
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Postby Kowani » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:38 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Pim Fortuyn wrote:Why would they wait until now?


Attempting to maximize the smear ahead of 2020.

The dems really don't have anything else to run with, so they go to their old standby of unsubstantiated accusations of sexual assault.

They don’t? Funny, I missed all that policy that they were coming up with.
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Postby Proctopeo » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:42 pm

Kowani wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Attempting to maximize the smear ahead of 2020.

The dems really don't have anything else to run with, so they go to their old standby of unsubstantiated accusations of sexual assault.

They don’t? Funny, I missed all that policy that they were coming up with.

I did too tbh
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Postby Bombadil » Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:46 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Bombadil wrote:
Librarians can be too, I quite like discovering hidden power networks.

Hidden power networks? Here, hold this 220 line while I make some adjustments.


I don't mean in the sense of 'secret', I mean in the sense of largely unnoticed but potentially influential. I'd have to go find it but I remember stumbling on a great article about librarians mobilising to defeat some piece of legislation in the Dubya era.

Here's related and I think this paragraph is where I need to go searching..

The first politician to discover the danger of underestimating what happens when you have thousands of librarians on your case was attorney general John Ashcroft who, in 2003, accused the American Library Association of “baseless hysteria” and ridiculed their protests against the Patriot Act.
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Postby First American Empire » Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:27 pm

Bombadil wrote:Meanwhile in the highly contentious world of knitting..

One of the biggest knitting websites in the world, which claims to have more than 8 million members, has announced that it will ban users from expressing support for Donald Trump, saying that to do so constitutes “white supremacy”.

On Sunday, administrators for Ravelry, a site for knitters, crocheters, designers and anyone dabbling in the fibre arts, said that they were making any expression of support for Trump and his administration in forum posts, patterns, on their personal profile pages or elsewhere permanently off limits.

“We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy,” the site’s administrators said in a post.

Users could also be permanently banned under the policy.


Link

I'm assuming our resident granny moderator Farnhamia is a key activist here..


Good. I wish more websites would institute anti-Trump policies like Ravelry did.
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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:13 pm

Kowani wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Attempting to maximize the smear ahead of 2020.

The dems really don't have anything else to run with, so they go to their old standby of unsubstantiated accusations of sexual assault.

They don’t? Funny, I missed all that policy that they were coming up with.


We're not allowed to talk about that. It makes it harder to claim the party is guaranteed to lose.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:18 pm

New Bremerton wrote:
Bombadil wrote:Meanwhile in the highly contentious world of knitting..

One of the biggest knitting websites in the world, which claims to have more than 8 million members, has announced that it will ban users from expressing support for Donald Trump, saying that to do so constitutes “white supremacy”.

On Sunday, administrators for Ravelry, a site for knitters, crocheters, designers and anyone dabbling in the fibre arts, said that they were making any expression of support for Trump and his administration in forum posts, patterns, on their personal profile pages or elsewhere permanently off limits.

“We cannot provide a space that is inclusive of all and also allow support for open white supremacy. Support of the Trump administration is undeniably support for white supremacy,” the site’s administrators said in a post.

Users could also be permanently banned under the policy.


Link

I'm assuming our resident granny moderator Farnhamia is a key activist here..


Jesus Christ. I'm literally sitting on the fence right now. Keep it up with this PC nonsense and I just might support the guy after all.

That's some weird logic. A knitting social media site you've probably never used enforces its own particular rules so you vote for Trump out of spite?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:20 pm

Proctopeo wrote:
Kowani wrote:They don’t? Funny, I missed all that policy that they were coming up with.

I did too tbh

And here I thought basing your politics on memes made you smarter than actually researching like a grown up ever could.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jun 23, 2019 11:22 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Pim Fortuyn wrote:Why would they wait until now?


Attempting to maximize the smear ahead of 2020.

The dems really don't have anything else to run with, so they go to their old standby of unsubstantiated accusations of sexual assault.

I know Trumpism and the truth are mutually exclusive, but you continue to take it to a whole new level with every post.
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:45 am

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Gravlen wrote:That's an illogical rationale for dismissing her claims.

"Oh so you say that you were assaulted by multiple men, and as a result you think men are awful? Well that casts serious doubts as to whether you've actually been assaulted."

*Does not compute*

That's not illogical, and I'm not dismissing, just advocating for heavier scrutiny.

Why is there need for heavier scrutiny? Why is regular scrutiny and critical thinking not sufficient?

Proctopeo wrote:Why shouldn't we be more skeptical of a claim made by someone who hates the demographic from which the alleged perpetrators were from?

Because, frankly, it's irrelevant. The claim has to be assessed on its own merits, and based on the existing evidence. Going down your road leads to miscarriages of justice.

Proctopeo wrote:Input any crime (that has a victim) and any demographic, it works just the same.

Not at all. I see no reason that a jewish man who claims to have been beaten up by a group of neo-nazis should be seen as less credible and subjected to stricter scrutiny. It's illogical and dangerous.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:48 am

So are we doing the whole "any woman who accuses a notable white male of sexual assault is guilty until proven innocent of falsifying the report and doing so for malicious reasons" thing again?
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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:52 am

Vassenor wrote:So are we doing the whole "any woman who accuses a notable white male of sexual assault is guilty until proven innocent of falsifying the report and doing so for malicious reasons" thing again?

That's a very convoluted way of saying that the man is innocent until proven guilty.

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Jack Thomas Lang wrote:
Vassenor wrote:So are we doing the whole "any woman who accuses a notable white male of sexual assault is guilty until proven innocent of falsifying the report and doing so for malicious reasons" thing again?

That's a very convoluted way of saying that the man is innocent until proven guilty.


But the woman never gets to be. :roll:
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Postby Gravlen » Mon Jun 24, 2019 3:59 am

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Gravlen wrote:"No" what? As your link says:

Trump filed formal notice of his re-election committee with the Federal Election Commission on the day of his inauguration, Jan. 20, 2017, and he already has held campaign events in the battleground states of Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin.


The man has been actively campaigning for over two years. So "no" what?

I was specifically referring to the campaign kickoff in Orlando.

Why on earth were you referring to that campaign rally in particular? What makes it different from the five rallies held previously in 2019? (Let's leave aside the previous 56 rallies he's held in 2017 and 2018 for now...)
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:05 am

So, apparently there was a massive leak of transition documents from the Trump Administration. Now, granted, it is from Axios so take it with a grain of salt since anything can be faked. But if the material (not all shown) is true, then it's quite an interesting process on how Trump selected the people he did.
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Postby Aclion » Mon Jun 24, 2019 8:11 am

Zurkerx wrote:So, apparently there was a massive leak of transition documents from the Trump Administration. Now, granted, it is from Axios so take it with a grain of salt since anything can be faked. But if the material (not all shown) is true, then it's quite an interesting process on how Trump selected the people he did.

It's almost like he wasn't expecting to actually win the election.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:15 am

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Kowani wrote:They don’t? Funny, I missed all that policy that they were coming up with.

I did too tbh



None of what they laughingly call policy is worthy of the name.
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Postby Zurkerx » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:16 am

Aclion wrote:
Zurkerx wrote:So, apparently there was a massive leak of transition documents from the Trump Administration. Now, granted, it is from Axios so take it with a grain of salt since anything can be faked. But if the material (not all shown) is true, then it's quite an interesting process on how Trump selected the people he did.

It's almost like he wasn't expecting to actually win the election.


I think honestly he thought he wasn't going to win, although he was proven wrong.

In other news, not only has Trump slapped new sanctions on Iran, including on their Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, he has also threatened to not protect international shipping in the Straits of Hormuz.
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:16 am

Liriena wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Attempting to maximize the smear ahead of 2020.

The dems really don't have anything else to run with, so they go to their old standby of unsubstantiated accusations of sexual assault.

I know Trumpism and the truth are mutually exclusive, but you continue to take it to a whole new level with every post.


Where is any evidence?
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Postby Big Jim P » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:17 am

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Jack Thomas Lang wrote:That's a very convoluted way of saying that the man is innocent until proven guilty.


But the woman never gets to be. :roll:


The person making the accusation has to provide the evidence.
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Postby Senkaku » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:26 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Liriena wrote:I know Trumpism and the truth are mutually exclusive, but you continue to take it to a whole new level with every post.


Where is any evidence?

yes yes, the well-known principle of "if you haven't seen the evidence of the rape, it's part of a vast manufactured political conspiracy (for which there is also no evidence)" :p
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Postby Gormwood » Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:37 am

Senkaku wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Where is any evidence?

yes yes, the well-known principle of "if you haven't seen the evidence of the rape, it's part of a vast manufactured political conspiracy (for which there is also no evidence)" :p

More like "If there isn't video of the rape it's a politically motivated smear."
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