Plural Marriages

[Elwher]

Now that the legal impediments to same sex marriages have been removed, I believe it is time to take the next logical step; adding plural marriages of whatever type desired to the list of acceptable forms.

Just as the insistence on the necessity of two persons of opposite gender was restrictive of the rights of some, so is the insistence that a valid marriage can only consist of two persons. Why is it presumed that two consenting adults can form a loving partnership but that three or more cannot?

And to push back against the inevitable comments about the cult figures with their 12 year old brides, that happens in marriages of two as well and is just as disgusting. I did specify consenting adults, and these cases are not either.

So, i open it to the group, is there any reason to oppose plural marriages between three or more consenting adults?

[Arcturus Novus]

Seems like it’d potentially cause some legal confusion when handling joint property rights, divorce, etc., but I’m not morally opposed whatsoever.

[Juristonia]

Yeah, not morally opposed, but it sounds like a bureaucratic nightmare waiting to happen.

[The New California Republic]

Seems like it’d potentially cause some legal confusion when handling joint property rights, divorce, etc., but I’m not morally opposed whatsoever.

I don't see the problem. Instead of splitting property two ways then it gets split 3, 4, 5, 6, ..., ways. It'll make divorce law more complex, but I'm sure lawyers can handle it.

[Volnaya Territoriya]

Yet another reason to add to my list of why marriage as a government institution needs to be abolished. Sexual relationships can get ruined so many ways when the law gets involved.

[Kowani]

Why not? Go for it.

[Elwher]

Seems like it’d potentially cause some legal confusion when handling joint property rights, divorce, etc., but I’m not morally opposed whatsoever.

A pre-nup would be almost essential in these cases, I agree. I suspect that a complete breakup would be unlikely, but provisions for one of the individuals to leave the relationship and what resources they were entitled to would be most critical.

I suspect that most would be of the sort described in Heinlein's The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress; but time would tell.

[Napkizemlja]

1) Polygamy is very destabilizing to society
2) Remember when the anti-SSM crowd was worried this would happen due to the slippery slope and all the cries were that the slippery slope wasn't real?

[Crockerland]

Now that the legal impediments to same sex marriages have been removed, I believe it is time to take the next logical step; adding plural marriages of whatever type desired to the list of acceptable forms.

2005 homophobe congressmen: If we legalize gay marriage, soon enough people will try to make bestiality, and polygamy, and incest, and pedophilia legal!
Woke people in 2019: Hmmm....

Gay marriages were legalized because it was a violation of our right to equal treatment under the law to be forbidden from marrying in the same way straight people were. There is no violation of the right to equal treatment for so-called "plural marriages" since everyone is equally barred from engaging in them. If men were allowed to marry multiple women but not visa-versa, then an argument could be made that the logical next step was letting women marry multiple men.

[Philjia]

Be a bit of a nightmare in divorce court but there's no particular moral reason to interfere in the affairs of consenting adults when no harm is done.

[The New California Republic]

Polygamy is very destabilizing to society

Evidence?

[Napkizemlja]

Polygamy is very destabilizing to society

Evidence?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/polygamy-national-security-putin-120234
https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/hide-and-seek/201801/the-pros-and-cons-polygamy
https://www.economist.com/christmas-specials/2017/12/19/the-link-between-polygamy-and-war
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rstb.2011.0290

[The New California Republic]

Evidence?

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/polygamy-national-security-putin-120234

Talks about polygyny, not polygamy.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/hide-and-seek/201801/the-pros-and-cons-polygamy

Shows both positives and negatives.

https://www.economist.com/christmas-specials/2017/12/19/the-link-between-polygamy-and-war

Paywall.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rstb.2011.0290

It makes a lot of assumptions.

[Shofercia]

Now that the legal impediments to same sex marriages have been removed, I believe it is time to take the next logical step; adding plural marriages of whatever type desired to the list of acceptable forms.

Just as the insistence on the necessity of two persons of opposite gender was restrictive of the rights of some, so is the insistence that a valid marriage can only consist of two persons. Why is it presumed that two consenting adults can form a loving partnership but that three or more cannot?

And to push back against the inevitable comments about the cult figures with their 12 year old brides, that happens in marriages of two as well and is just as disgusting. I did specify consenting adults, and these cases are not either.

So, i open it to the group, is there any reason to oppose plural marriages between three or more consenting adults?

Make the Denobulans Great Again!

[Shofercia]

Now that the legal impediments to same sex marriages have been removed, I believe it is time to take the next logical step; adding plural marriages of whatever type desired to the list of acceptable forms.

2005 homophobe congressmen: If we legalize gay marriage, soon enough people will try to make bestiality, and polygamy, and incest, and pedophilia legal!
Woke people in 2019: Hmmm....

This is a problem, as incest is bad for your health and the health of your kids, but Cersei and Jamie are two consenting adults. My concern with the woke crowd is that they'll try to introduce bestiality and pedophilia. When Gay Marriage was becoming legal, I thought that we limited it to two consent human adults. I don't want to see Fido's red ass with the owner saying "I told him bark once for yes, and two for no, and he did!" Similarly, while I can understand two high school teens getting it on, I cannot understand a 40 year old fucking a 14 year old. I hope that we can all still agree on those issues.

I have absolutely no issues with polygamy.

[Loben The 2nd]

Polygamy should be outlawed tbh.

[Vassenor]

Polygamy should be outlawed tbh.

Why?

[Napkizemlja]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/polygamy-national-security-putin-120234

Talks about polygyny, not polygamy.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/hide-and-seek/201801/the-pros-and-cons-polygamy

Shows both positives and negatives.

https://www.economist.com/christmas-specials/2017/12/19/the-link-between-polygamy-and-war

Paywall.

https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/pdf/10.1098/rstb.2011.0290

It makes a lot of assumptions.

The most common form of polygamy is polygyny and there is no reason to believe America, or really any other Western country, would be different - especially if you believe they remain misogynistic societies.
I never said there were zero positives, I said it is destabilizing for society. There are potential positives in using cocaine but that doesn't mean you should go snorting line after line.
When are liberals going to admit that they are no different than most conservatives and only like it when research agrees with them.

[Philjia]

My concern with the woke crowd is that they'll try to introduce bestiality and pedophilia

Why
What the fuck do you think goes on in our heads

[Napkizemlja]

Polygamy should be outlawed tbh.

Remember kiddos, there was no slippery slope.

[Andsed]

I have no real moral issues with polygamy as long as all parties involved are consenting adults.(Because I mean what exactly is so bad about multiple consenting adults all dating each other?) But this would likely cause some big legal and bureaucratic issue.

[Napkizemlja]

My concern with the woke crowd is that they'll try to introduce bestiality and pedophilia

Why
What the fuck do you think goes on in our heads

Probably that you end up going down the slippery slope. When SSM was being debated, the issue of legalizing polygamy was brought up as something that would happen next and it was dismissed as an unfounded fear. It would never happen it was said. Hm.

[United Muscovite Nations]

My concern with the woke crowd is that they'll try to introduce bestiality and pedophilia

Why
What the fuck do you think goes on in our heads

Because when conservatives said that polygamy would be next after Same Sex Marriage, you guys called them crazy bigots and said the slippery slope wasn't real, but now the SSM crowd is all for polygamy. Makes people wonder what else is on the slippery slope.

[Heloin]

1) Polygamy is very destabilizing to society
2) Remember when the anti-SSM crowd was worried this would happen due to the slippery slope and all the cries were that the slippery slope wasn't real?

How?

I remember people dismissing the slippery slope argument because they didn't mind if multiple people wanted to marry each other anyways.

[Scomagia]

I don't really care. If you want to lock yourself into an unstable relationship model then by all means, go ahead and have your three husbands or whatever. Maybe it'll work for all of you. It probably won't but that's hardly my problem.