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Postby Duhon » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:03 am

Latin Islands wrote:What if I, er, someone is no longer using a social media site account? Also, will they guarantee complete data security and privacy? This arrangement seems to be unnecessarily risky, considering that this will involve big data.


I presume you'll have to remember everything and leave nothing, or else you're bait. Or do that and still be bait, because Stephen Miller is nothing if he ain't Stephen Miller.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:03 am

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The Huskar Social Union wrote:Thats a stupid amount of information to hand over, who the fuck is gona remember all of their social media profiles, phone number and email addresses from the last five years?


No one. Hence the Evangelion reference -- just as no human nor human instrument on earth (save the Jet Alone, and that ate up a country's worth of power) can penetrate an Absolute Terror Field, so this is for Miller's purposes.


...I think you mixed up two episodes there.
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Postby Duhon » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:07 am

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Duhon wrote:
No one. Hence the Evangelion reference -- just as no human nor human instrument on earth (save the Jet Alone, and that ate up a country's worth of power) can penetrate an Absolute Terror Field, so this is for Miller's purposes.


...I think you mixed up two episodes there.


Maybe -- it's been a while since I felt the urge to kick myself upside the head -- but point made, no?

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Postby Arisylia » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:08 am

>Comply with the law, digging up all the emails you can.
>Forget about one little website you joined for one day
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Postby Aclion » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:13 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Thats a stupid amount of information to hand over, who the fuck is gona remember all of their social media profiles, phone number and email addresses from the last five years?

Fuck i can't even remember all the nationstates account's i've made this year.
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Postby Latin Islands » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:17 am

Duhon wrote:
Latin Islands wrote:What if I, er, someone is no longer using a social media site account? Also, will they guarantee complete data security and privacy? This arrangement seems to be unnecessarily risky, considering that this will involve big data.


I presume you'll have to remember everything and leave nothing, or else you're bait. Or do that and still be bait, because Stephen Miller is nothing if he ain't Stephen Miller.

If they really wanted to take a peek at and judge my scandalous private life, they could have just called my manager and set up an interview session with me. I have an image to protect, for my sponsors and ever-adoring fans!

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Postby Duhon » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:21 am

Latin Islands wrote:
Duhon wrote:
I presume you'll have to remember everything and leave nothing, or else you're bait. Or do that and still be bait, because Stephen Miller is nothing if he ain't Stephen Miller.

If they really wanted to take a peek at and judge my scandalous private life, they could have just called my manager and set up an interview session with me. I have an image to protect, for my sponsors and ever-adoring fans!

/s


Or you could take a pic of yourself, send it Stephen Miller's way, and have him decide that, as a Latino (who knows if you are), you're fit only to pick up trash elsewhere, preferably far, far away from him.

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Postby Chan Island » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:41 am

This wouldn't affect me because American citizenship but this is simply madness trying to think up of absolutely every single website I've signed up for in the past 5 years. Multiple work emails that are now defunct, a Twitter account I haven't logged into in years, a super market's crappy version of google plus because one time I needed wifi to contact somebody and an account on Academia.edu because I needed sources for university projects.

This is like the American tax code all over again. A completely impossible task (unless you have a cadre of lawyers and accountants to do it for you) that is only really done the way it is so that if the government needs to go after somebody they just comb over their details, inevitably find one I that doesn't have a dot and then punish you for it.

It's stuff like this that honestly is making me trend towards the thought that the US might not be a democracy anymore.
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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:43 am

Chan Island wrote:This wouldn't affect me because American citizenship but this is simply madness trying to think up of absolutely every single website I've signed up for in the past 5 years. Multiple work emails that are now defunct, a Twitter account I haven't logged into in years, a super market's crappy version of google plus because one time I needed wifi to contact somebody and an account on Academia.edu because I needed sources for university projects.

This is like the American tax code all over again. A completely impossible task (unless you have a cadre of lawyers and accountants to do it for you) that is only really done the way it is so that if the government needs to go after somebody they just comb over their details, inevitably find one I that doesn't have a dot and then punish you for it.

It's stuff like this that honestly is making me trend towards the thought that the US might not be a democracy anymore.


We never were a democracy. We have always been a Republic.
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Postby Arisylia » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:46 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Chan Island wrote:This wouldn't affect me because American citizenship but this is simply madness trying to think up of absolutely every single website I've signed up for in the past 5 years. Multiple work emails that are now defunct, a Twitter account I haven't logged into in years, a super market's crappy version of google plus because one time I needed wifi to contact somebody and an account on Academia.edu because I needed sources for university projects.

This is like the American tax code all over again. A completely impossible task (unless you have a cadre of lawyers and accountants to do it for you) that is only really done the way it is so that if the government needs to go after somebody they just comb over their details, inevitably find one I that doesn't have a dot and then punish you for it.

It's stuff like this that honestly is making me trend towards the thought that the US might not be a democracy anymore.


We never were a democracy. We have always been a Republic.



You seem to be sliding down the slope towards an Autocracy, though.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:47 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Chan Island wrote:This wouldn't affect me because American citizenship but this is simply madness trying to think up of absolutely every single website I've signed up for in the past 5 years. Multiple work emails that are now defunct, a Twitter account I haven't logged into in years, a super market's crappy version of google plus because one time I needed wifi to contact somebody and an account on Academia.edu because I needed sources for university projects.

This is like the American tax code all over again. A completely impossible task (unless you have a cadre of lawyers and accountants to do it for you) that is only really done the way it is so that if the government needs to go after somebody they just comb over their details, inevitably find one I that doesn't have a dot and then punish you for it.

It's stuff like this that honestly is making me trend towards the thought that the US might not be a democracy anymore.


We never were a democracy. We have always been a Republic.


Oh right, I forgot people think those two are mutually exclusive purely because they want to be able to ignore the views of anyone who doesn't agree with them.
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Postby Duhon » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:48 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Chan Island wrote:This wouldn't affect me because American citizenship but this is simply madness trying to think up of absolutely every single website I've signed up for in the past 5 years. Multiple work emails that are now defunct, a Twitter account I haven't logged into in years, a super market's crappy version of google plus because one time I needed wifi to contact somebody and an account on Academia.edu because I needed sources for university projects.

This is like the American tax code all over again. A completely impossible task (unless you have a cadre of lawyers and accountants to do it for you) that is only really done the way it is so that if the government needs to go after somebody they just comb over their details, inevitably find one I that doesn't have a dot and then punish you for it.

It's stuff like this that honestly is making me trend towards the thought that the US might not be a democracy anymore.


We never were a democracy. We have always been a Republic.


So being a republic means you get to be unreasonable because FREEDOM?!?

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Postby Chan Island » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:49 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Chan Island wrote:This wouldn't affect me because American citizenship but this is simply madness trying to think up of absolutely every single website I've signed up for in the past 5 years. Multiple work emails that are now defunct, a Twitter account I haven't logged into in years, a super market's crappy version of google plus because one time I needed wifi to contact somebody and an account on Academia.edu because I needed sources for university projects.

This is like the American tax code all over again. A completely impossible task (unless you have a cadre of lawyers and accountants to do it for you) that is only really done the way it is so that if the government needs to go after somebody they just comb over their details, inevitably find one I that doesn't have a dot and then punish you for it.

It's stuff like this that honestly is making me trend towards the thought that the US might not be a democracy anymore.


We never were a democracy. We have always been a Republic.


Those are not mutually exclusive. The US was a democrat republic- but now it is shifting towards becoming an autocratic one.
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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Vassenor » Sun Jun 02, 2019 4:50 am

Chan Island wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
We never were a democracy. We have always been a Republic.


Those are not mutually exclusive. The US was a democrat republic- but now it is shifting towards becoming an autocratic one.


It wouldn't surprise me if Trump tries to turn it into a monarchy at this point.
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Postby Chan Island » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:01 am

Vassenor wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
Those are not mutually exclusive. The US was a democrat republic- but now it is shifting towards becoming an autocratic one.


It wouldn't surprise me if Trump tries to turn it into a monarchy at this point.


It strongly looks like the Southern District of New York police department is going to haul in a lot of evidence of financial crimes the moment Trump is no longer president. Honestly, the rhetoric the man's been putting out about not leaving if he loses by a small margin is both rational in those circumstances and deeply, deeply troubling.
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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Duhon » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:06 am

Duhon wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
We never were a democracy. We have always been a Republic.


So being a republic means you get to be unreasonable because FREEDOM?!?


Lemme put it this way, as it might seem to you and others as a random cheap shot (well it is, but this ain't just a cheap shot) -- given that not a few of us here would already run afoul of the guidelines thus set despite our evident lack of bad intentions, maybe Miller (for at this desiccated stage it is only Miller who matters) should make obtaining a visa more manageable?

If it isn't your job to be reasonable, why not just shoot to kill every foreigner who so much as touch any American make? At the very least, make the impossibility something no dastardly foreigner can make up for.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:10 am

Vassenor wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
We never were a democracy. We have always been a Republic.


Oh right, I forgot people think those two are mutually exclusive purely because they want to be able to ignore the views of anyone who doesn't agree with them.


Sounds like the radical left and dems these days.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Jun 02, 2019 5:11 am

Vassenor wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
Those are not mutually exclusive. The US was a democrat republic- but now it is shifting towards becoming an autocratic one.


It wouldn't surprise me if Trump tries to turn it into a monarchy at this point.


:rofl:

I recall similar things being said about obama. Bullshit then, bullshit now.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:31 am

Duhon wrote:
Dooom35796821595 wrote:
A very un-American statement.


To expand on this: In what possible universe is calling people "undesirable" for not doing the impossible things you yourself set justified?

How is giving a facebook profile, a Twitter handle, and an address book over to INS impossible?

They are trying to prevent folks coming over who are terrorists or potential terrorists threats. Probably part of the reaction to the San bernadino shootings.
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Postby Aureumterra » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:35 am

Guess the next time I’m gonna have to app for a visa in the US, officer’s gonna have to look at pages of me ranting on NSG, war RPs, and screaming on discord
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:36 am

Vassenor wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
Those are not mutually exclusive. The US was a democrat republic- but now it is shifting towards becoming an autocratic one.


It wouldn't surprise me if Trump tries to turn it into a monarchy at this point.


Since I believe part of this is sincere it just goes to validate why your posts on America are mostly safe to be ignored.

That said, I would be totally for it, you know cause I would totally tap either melina or Ivanka, and we already know Ivanka digs jews.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:44 am

Chan Island wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
It wouldn't surprise me if Trump tries to turn it into a monarchy at this point.


It strongly looks like the Southern District of New York police department is going to haul in a lot of evidence of financial crimes the moment Trump is no longer president. Honestly, the rhetoric the man's been putting out about not leaving if he loses by a small margin is both rational in those circumstances and deeply, deeply troubling.


SDNY, is the federal prosecutors office, uses the FBI (which is who you want if you are going after accounting issues).
NYPD, is the local cops and goes to the local county DA's


Carry on.
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Postby New Bremerton » Sun Jun 02, 2019 7:58 am

This coming from the same president who recently vowed to investigate account suspensions and deletions of right-wing users by social media platforms on the grounds of political ideology, backed by conservatives who seek to make platform access a civil right, an idea I wholly support. Anyone who threatens net neutrality, free speech and online privacy, whether it's tech companies, Trump, Democrats or Republicans, is my enemy as far as I'm concerned, and I don't trust any of them to actually take our online rights seriously. Politically, I'm on the fence right now. Either way, I have no plans to emigrate to the USA any time soon, but suppose I were to change my mind for whatever reason? Not likely, but not impossible.

Does this regulation also apply to tourist visas? If so, that would give a really bad impression to those whose intention is merely to go sightseeing and leave with a more positive opinion of America.
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Postby Trollzyn the Infinite » Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:13 am

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Postby The Galactic Liberal Democracy » Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:17 am

Stupid in the dumbest of ways, although it's not like people deserve privacy or the ability to travel to a free country.
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