Absolutely American Terror Territory

[Trumpisslavia]

What nobody has noticed so far on this thread:

The policy is in practice unenforceable. Theres no reasonable way to tell about what whichever obscure accounts or social media profiles you have created in the past and whether they're yours or not. Not short of a big, HUMIT intensive investigation and definetively not within a massive, standardized everyday bureaucratic process.

If this actually becomes policy, I could see people creating setup legend social media accounts and never used emailaddresses that are just for show.

Not that I'm dismissing Miller's xenophobic zeal, but checking whether this sort of thing is enforceable is beside the point -- it's the thought that counts, and the thought behind this is COOTIESCOOTIESCOOTIESCOOTIES

[US-SSR]

Despite the fact that she was the best-qualified Presidential candidate in my lifetime, if you put every eligible American's name in a hat and drew one out it would be hard to do worse than Donald J. Trump. I'll take my chances.

The alternatives were Johnson, Stein and McMullin (lol).

If the Democrats, Green (Getting Republicans Elected Every November) Party or anyone else nominated a yaller dog I'd vote for it before I voted for four more years of a narcissictic, authoritarian buffoon with the attention span of a third-grade boy, the moral sense of a toddler, known to be compromised by the nation's most formidable adversary and with no more regard for the national interest than I have for the weather on the planet Neptune.

[Nakena]

What nobody has noticed so far on this thread:

The policy is in practice unenforceable. Theres no reasonable way to tell about what whichever obscure accounts or social media profiles you have created in the past and whether they're yours or not. Not short of a big, HUMIT intensive investigation and definetively not within a massive, standardized everyday bureaucratic process.

If this actually becomes policy, I could see people creating setup legend social media accounts and never used emailaddresses that are just for show.

Not that I'm dismissing Miller's xenophobic zeal, but checking whether this sort of thing is enforceable is beside the point -- it's the thought that counts, and the thought behind this is COOTIESCOOTIESCOOTIESCOOTIES

He's just trying to rank up his anti-immigration credentials by whatever hot-air measure seems to be fitting. Even if it doesnt works out. Not unsimiliar to virtue signalling.

And given the reactions here on this thread THAT is absolutly working out already.

A hard double down for le fefes.

[Telconi]

But Hillary Clinton has said tons of un-Americans, false and plain buffoonish things too. You didn't think this through very much lol

Despite the fact that she was the best-qualified Presidential candidate in my lifetime, if you put every eligible American's name in a hat and drew one out it would be hard to do worse than Donald J. Trump. I'll take pot luck.

I would say "worse than Trump" would certainly be a minority, unfortunately just one which included Hillary Clinton.

[New haven america]

But Hillary Clinton has said tons of un-Americans, false and plain buffoonish things too. You didn't think this through very much lol

Despite the fact that she was the best-qualified Presidential candidate in my lifetime, if you put every eligible American's name in a hat and drew one out it would be hard to do worse than Donald J. Trump. I'll take pot luck.

Please stop giving them what they want and allowing them to further have control over the thread.

Thank you.

[Trumpisslavia]

Good. We can't have open borders.

If your vision of border security includes the giant letters N and O...

[Ethel mermania]

Not that I'm dismissing Miller's xenophobic zeal, but checking whether this sort of thing is enforceable is beside the point -- it's the thought that counts, and the thought behind this is COOTIESCOOTIESCOOTIESCOOTIES

He's just trying to rank up his anti-immigration credentials by whatever hot-air measure seems to be fitting. Even if it doesnt works out. Not unsimiliar to virtue signalling.

And given the reactions here on this thread THAT is absolutly working out already.

A hard double down for le fefes.

I don’t know that it is technically impossible to design a system that would be more effective than not at identifying interesting traffic. The Chinese are doing it internally and i am sure NSA has some wizardry up their sleeves and could create a database to have the collected data run against. This does not have to be to beyond a reasonable doubt, or even reasonable suspicion standard.

[Novus America]

The alternatives were Johnson, Stein and McMullin (lol).

If the Democrats, Green (Getting Republicans Elected Every November) Party or anyone else nominated a yaller dog I'd vote for it before I voted for four more years of a narcissictic, authoritarian buffoon with the attention span of a third-grade boy, the moral sense of a toddler, known to be compromised by the nation's most formidable adversary and with no more regard for the national interest than I have for the weather on the planet Neptune.

Russia is America’s most formidable adversary?
Really?
Russia is a minor annoyance compared to the PRC.

[Novus America]

All this bullshit actually has an effect on the economy..

President Donald Trump’s anti-immigration rhetoric and policies have kept millions of people from visiting the U.S. from other countries and cost the U.S. economy potentially billions of dollars, the analysts told Newsweek.

After Trump was inaugurated, the number of international tourists visiting the U.S. dropped by nearly 4 percent in the first half of 2017 versus the same period the previous year, according to the latest data from the U.S. National Travel and Tourism Office and the U.S. Department of Commerce. Tourism insiders refer to the decline as a “Trump slump.”

“The [immigration] crackdown and the image of the U.S. as an inhospitable place to anybody who’s not a U.S. citizen is a byproduct of what is going on,” David Leopold, partner and chairman of immigration law at Ulmer & Berne LLP in Ohio, told Newsweek.

Americans are far more dangerous to each other than any terrorist, yet god forbid there's any checks on owning firearms on the one hand yet it's fine to trawl through the entire history of tourists on the other.

If it wouldn't work for guns why would it work for terrorists..

Umm we do have background checks for most gun sales.
And we have had immigrant background checks since 1790,

[Diopolis]

Maybe a little excessive, but we really should be looking into a potential immigrant's online presence.

[Washington Resistance Army]

All this bullshit actually has an effect on the economy..

President Donald Trump’s anti-immigration rhetoric and policies have kept millions of people from visiting the U.S. from other countries and cost the U.S. economy potentially billions of dollars, the analysts told Newsweek.

After Trump was inaugurated, the number of international tourists visiting the U.S. dropped by nearly 4 percent in the first half of 2017 versus the same period the previous year, according to the latest data from the U.S. National Travel and Tourism Office and the U.S. Department of Commerce. Tourism insiders refer to the decline as a “Trump slump.”

“The [immigration] crackdown and the image of the U.S. as an inhospitable place to anybody who’s not a U.S. citizen is a byproduct of what is going on,” David Leopold, partner and chairman of immigration law at Ulmer & Berne LLP in Ohio, told Newsweek.

Americans are far more dangerous to each other than any terrorist, yet god forbid there's any checks on owning firearms on the one hand yet it's fine to trawl through the entire history of tourists on the other.

If it wouldn't work for guns why would it work for terrorists..

Umm we do have background checks for most gun sales.
And we have had immigrant background checks since 1790,

Facts, who needs em.

[Nakena]

He's just trying to rank up his anti-immigration credentials by whatever hot-air measure seems to be fitting. Even if it doesnt works out. Not unsimiliar to virtue signalling.

And given the reactions here on this thread THAT is absolutly working out already.

A hard double down for le fefes.

I don’t know that it is technically impossible to design a system that would be more effective than not at identifying interesting traffic. The Chinese are doing it internally and i am sure NSA has some wizardry up their sleeves and could create a database to have the collected data run against. This does not have to be to beyond a reasonable doubt, or even reasonable suspicion.

The same NSA wizardry that cannot even protect Baltimore from getting cybered hard? Besides this isnt handled by the NSA but by some bureaucrats (TSA, ICE?) or an outsourced company who doesnt even knows jackshit or what to look for.

Besides its quite easy to decept, manipulate and game the system as it stands, as it relies on ones invididual data imput and thus is easy and prone to manipulation by design. It is also based on the presumption that people will be honest in either what they tell them, or what they tell on social media. Its like this question "Do you intend to harm or kill the President?". The flaw is inherent. The only ones who will have to deal with its downsides and subsequent hemorrhaging drama will be average commoners. Hardened Gangsters, would-be-terrorists and other "undesireable" will easily manage to slip through a system that is entirely build upon the reliance of flawed technical solutions rather than good old human intelligence and common sense.

Good. We can't have open borders.

If your vision of border security includes the giant letters N and O...

It is muh land and muh constition, and muh guns, and muh bullshit. Its also muh opoid crisis and muh gang violence next door. But atleast, at least I have Stephen Miller who feeds muh feels of being extraordinary special, so I have something I can derive additional pride and entitlement from it, rergardless if reality itself around crumbles on me and proving everyday evidence to the contrary.

[Novus America]

Seems like a hard policy to fulfill. I am sure there are parts of social media I have accounts on and taken part in the last 5 years that I have long since forgotten.

Well it is.
But it is a policy employers often require.

Thing is they do not care if you forget one.
You are just required to provide information to the best of your knowledge.

Just give them the main ones you remember and you will be fine.
It is not hard to give what you remember.

[Trumpisslavia]

>Comply with the law, digging up all the emails you can.
>Forget about one little website you joined for one day
>DEPORTED

There's nothing indicating that the process will look anything like this.

Actually, it can, if people are diligent enough (and I'm not one to underestimate Miller's malevolence). Buuuuuuut even more likely is this getting used to deny all visa applications, superficially for this reason, but really for reasons as basic as "he came from Namibia COOTIES" or "he hates Trump COOTIES" or "he just looks wrong COOTIES" or "Mexican identified. Forward to Stephen Miller for SCL."

[Trumpisslavia]

Seems like a hard policy to fulfill. I am sure there are parts of social media I have accounts on and taken part in the last 5 years that I have long since forgotten.

Well it is.
But it is a policy employers often require.

Thing is they do not care if you forget one.
You are just required to provide information to the best of your knowledge.

Just give them the main ones you remember and you will be fine.
It is not hard to give what you remember.

And we give the benefit of the doubt to Donald fucking Trump and Stephen fucking Miller because...?

[Bombadil]

There's nothing indicating that the process will look anything like this.

Actually, it can, if people are diligent enough (and I'm not one to underestimate Miller's malevolence). Buuuuuuut even more likely is this getting used to deny all visa applications, superficially for this reason, but really for reasons as basic as "he came from Namibia COOTIES" or "he hates Trump COOTIES" or "he just looks wrong COOTIES" or "Mexican identified. Forward to Stephen Miller for SCL."

It's the same philosophy by which China controls things, make the law so difficult to comply with that you're almost illegal by default, and then if they want to get you they can.

[Nakena]

Seems like a hard policy to fulfill. I am sure there are parts of social media I have accounts on and taken part in the last 5 years that I have long since forgotten.

Well it is.
But it is a policy employers often require.

Thing is they do not care if you forget one.
You are just required to provide information to the best of your knowledge.

Just give them the main ones you remember and you will be fine.
It is not hard to give what you remember.

The practical solution would be setting up decoy profiles just for show to noisy employers or other interested parties and authorities.

[Ostroeuropa]

Presumably the point is to facilitate at will deportations and obfuscate denials of entry. In effect, this is handing power away from the rule of law and toward arbitrary officials acting on behalf of the state to rule as they see fit without procedure and so on. Seems pretty unamerican on the face of it when considered that way. Presumably this is to facilitate the ejection of political opponents as well as certain undesirable populations.

[Trumpisslavia]

Presumably the point is to facilitate at will deportations and obfuscate denials of entry. In effect, this is handing power away from the rule of law and toward arbitrary officials acting on behalf of the state to rule as they see fit without procedure and so on. Seems pretty unamerican on the face of it when considered that way. Presumably this is to facilitate the ejection of political opponents as well as certain undesirable populations.

The only word I'll take out of this post is the term "presumably". Yes, Ostro, you have it right on Stephen Miller's Mexican-sensing nose.

[Nakena]

Presumably the point is to facilitate at will deportations and obfuscate denials of entry. In effect, this is handing power away from the rule of law and toward arbitrary officials acting on behalf of the state to rule as they see fit without procedure and so on. Seems pretty unamerican on the face of it when considered that way. Presumably this is to facilitate the ejection of political opponents as well as certain undesirable populations.

Of course it can be widely abused. And therein lies the fundamental dishonesty and helplessness of the those that gave birth to such idea.

Sometimes such arbitary and ineffectual measures are in itself a sign of weakness.

Presumably the point is to facilitate at will deportations and obfuscate denials of entry. In effect, this is handing power away from the rule of law and toward arbitrary officials acting on behalf of the state to rule as they see fit without procedure and so on. Seems pretty unamerican on the face of it when considered that way. Presumably this is to facilitate the ejection of political opponents as well as certain undesirable populations.

The only word I'll take out of this post is the term "presumably". Yes, Ostro, you have it right on Stephen Miller's Mexican-sensing nose.

Illegal aliens from Mexico won't be affected by this. They get in anyways. And theres nothing Miller can do but to compensate for getting subjected to this cuckoldery.

[Novus America]

Well it is.
But it is a policy employers often require.

Thing is they do not care if you forget one.
You are just required to provide information to the best of your knowledge.

Just give them the main ones you remember and you will be fine.
It is not hard to give what you remember.

And we give the benefit of the doubt to Donald fucking Trump and Stephen fucking Miller because...?

They do the background checks for all immigrants? Damn they must be busy boys.
We have again been doing background checks on immigrants more than 200 years.
They are done by members of the civil service anyways.

And many private and public jobs require similar as well.
This is not that surprising or revolutionary of an idea.

Most modern background checks include a social media review.

[Country of CityTowne]

Coming to America is a privilege and we are well within our rights to screen out undesirables. This is a non-issue.

You're sounding a lot like a conservative.

[Nakena]

Most modern background checks include a social media review.

It's standard procedure. I am certain Israel does this already to some extend for example.

[Ethel mermania]

I don’t know that it is technically impossible to design a system that would be more effective than not at identifying interesting traffic. The Chinese are doing it internally and i am sure NSA has some wizardry up their sleeves and could create a database to have the collected data run against. This does not have to be to beyond a reasonable doubt, or even reasonable suspicion.

The same NSA wizardry that cannot even protect Baltimore from getting cybered hard? Besides this isnt handled by the NSA but by some bureaucrats (TSA, ICE?) or an outsourced company who doesnt even knows jackshit or what to look for.

Besides its quite easy to decept, manipulate and game the system as it stands, as it relies on ones invididual data imput and thus is easy and prone to manipulation by design. It is also based on the presumption that people will be honest in either what they tell them, or what they tell on social media. Its like this question "Do you intend to harm or kill the President?". The flaw is inherent. The only ones who will have to deal with its downsides and subsequent hemorrhaging drama will be average commoners. Hardened Gangsters, would-be-terrorists and other "undesireable" will easily manage to slip through a system that is entirely build upon the reliance of flawed technical solutions rather than good old human intelligence and common sense.

If your vision of border security includes the giant letters N and O...

It is muh land and muh constition, and muh guns, and muh bullshit. Its also muh opoid crisis and muh gang violence next door. But atleast, at least I have Stephen Miller who feeds muh feels of being extraordinary special, so I have something I can derive additional pride and entitlement from it, rergardless if reality itself around crumbles on me and proving everyday evidence to the contrary.

I don’t think you understand NSA’s role. NSA has nothing to do with Baltimore, it is federal agency and is targeted to international issues. The city of Baltimore has its own cyber security team, if any federal agency were to help Them it would be the FBI

That said we disagree about the potential ability to build such a system. I would not dream to suggest it would be infallible, but it will prevent a few from getting in.

[Novus America]

Well it is.
But it is a policy employers often require.

Thing is they do not care if you forget one.
You are just required to provide information to the best of your knowledge.

Just give them the main ones you remember and you will be fine.
It is not hard to give what you remember.

The practical solution would be setting up decoy profiles just for show to noisy employers or other interested parties and authorities.

If it appears you are doing that that is something they could flag is evidence of you being deceptive.

Nobody is claiming it is a silver bullet solution.
But a social media check is a component (just one component) of most modern background checks.
Want a Secret or Top Secret Clearance? Social Media check.
Many jobs? Social Media check.
Lawsuit? Other sides lawyers will demand a Social Media check.

It is common practice. And you find a lot of good stuff.
The classic in law is they claim they are so hurt they cannot do anything yet they post a picture of themselves sky diving (true story) or son similar.
You would be amazed the good stuff you can find.