Desmond Napoles or how gender 'liberation' can lead to abuse

[Leonixion]

Is thread is already a trainwreck like the last one. In a matter of pages we've gone from discussing Desmond to focusing and discussing whether Vass is male or female and whether we can respect her.

Speaking of someone using their actual sex (and therefore gender) is not a lack of respect.

[Kannap]

Is thread is already a trainwreck like the last one. In a matter of pages we've gone from discussing Desmond to focusing and discussing whether Vass is male or female and whether we can respect her.

Speaking of someone using their actual sex (and therefore gender) is not a lack of respect.

Except she's female, and you're insisting on treating her a man and calling her a man, that's a blatant lack of respect.

[Telconi]

It implies that denying a transgender their preferred gender is not treating them as people. Treating Vassenor as a man is somehow not treating them as a person.

You're denying Vass the basic respect you'd give any other person, so...

Not respecting people is a pretty common occurrence.

[Uiiop]

I'm sure you can quote the exact post Vass said that.

Sure.

Treating people as people is a stupid thing. You heard it here first

I can see how one can think that.
If you didn't intentionally ignore that no spefic gender was being referred to at that point.
But i'd suppose it's worth to act as dumb as someone else was to ya. *Shrugs*

[Liriena]

Is thread is already a trainwreck like the last one. In a matter of pages we've gone from discussing Desmond to focusing and discussing whether Vass is male or female and whether we can respect her.

Speaking of someone using their actual sex (and therefore gender) is not a lack of respect.

Gender and sex are not synonyms and Desmond is not a case of "gender liberation gone wild". Liking drag shows doesn't make you any more or less prone to being an abusive parent.

[Leonixion]

Look up the Genital tubercle.

Cool, men should go see ob-gyns now. And I know how genitals develop. But no, a penis is not a clitoris and never will be.

[Necroghastia]

This shit is basic respect. If I ask to be treated as a woman, out of basis (gender dysmorphia, etc) then accommodating me takes very little effort from you. I don't ask so, but Vass dies and you should honor that.

How is Vassenor dying? If a flat-earther came to me and said that they want their belief to be respected, I'd tell them to F off.

Flat earthers have beliefs that can easily be countered with sources. Despite being asked multiple times, you have yet to provide sources to back up any of your arguments.

[The South Falls]

How is it so hard for you to say "her" or if you can't bring yourself to do even that, saying "they/them".

Is thread is already a trainwreck like the last one. In a matter of pages we've gone from discussing Desmond to focusing and discussing whether Vass is male or female and whether we can respect her.

Speaking of someone using their actual sex (and therefore gender) is not a lack of respect.

Sex is chromosomal, gender is what someone identifies as.

Sex - XY
Gender - Female

[The Nordic 5]

Okay haven't read any responses yet, but I just want to say I'm pansexual and the Desmond Napoles situation disgusts me. Not because of drag, because of the situation. Honestly, yes I consider it abuse. Does the kid WANT to wear drag? If so, cool whatever, but he shouldn't be around abusers, he shouldn't be around drugs, and hell no he shouldn't be sexualized, and anyone who does should have their dick shot off like that one scene from Terminator

[Telconi]

Sure.

I can see how one can think that.
If you didn't intentionally ignore that no spefic gender was being referred to at that point.
But i'd suppose it's worth to act as dumb as someone else was to ya. *Shrugs*

The saying turnabout's fair play *does* exist for a reason.

[Leonixion]

Flat earthers have beliefs that can easily be countered with sources. Despite being asked multiple times, you have yet to provide sources to back up any of your arguments.

Which arguments? That no society has called men, women or vice versa?

[Proctopeo]

Is thread is already a trainwreck like the last one. In a matter of pages we've gone from discussing Desmond to focusing and discussing whether Vass is male or female and whether we can respect her.

Good faith and level-headed discussion are not conducive to anti-LGBT hysteria, tho

Rest assured, I'm only against child sexual abuse and those who enable, justify, and accept it. Which does indeed include parts of the GLBT community, especially those around Desmond.

[Quaeg]

Glanced at this whole thing briefly and decided i'm out. Respect pronouns and be kind to eachother.

[Liriena]

Flat earthers have beliefs that can easily be countered with sources. Despite being asked multiple times, you have yet to provide sources to back up any of your arguments.

Which arguments? That no society has called men, women or vice versa?

That's a false claim. See: hijras.

[Leonixion]

Sex is chromosomal, gender is what someone identifies as.

Sex - XY
Gender - Female

I don't believe in self identification (it's super recent like concept too promoted only by transgenders).

[Liriena]

Sex is chromosomal, gender is what someone identifies as.

Sex - XY
Gender - Female

I don't believe in self identification (it's super recent like concept too promoted only by transgenders).

Facts don't care about what you "believe".

[Leonixion]

That's a false claim. See: hijras.

Hijras are not considered actual women. Unlike what modern transgenders are asking for.

[Vassenor]

Sex is chromosomal, gender is what someone identifies as.

Sex - XY
Gender - Female

I don't believe in self identification (it's super recent like concept too promoted only by transgenders).

Facts don't care about your feelings.

[Necroghastia]

Flat earthers have beliefs that can easily be countered with sources. Despite being asked multiple times, you have yet to provide sources to back up any of your arguments.

Which arguments? That no society has called men, women or vice versa?

That, as well as these:

Being trans isn't a bad thing but okay.

Yes, it is. Claiming and validating this kind of thing is probably the stupidest thing we did as a society these last 5-10 years.

Why?

Because claiming you can change your gender and be an actual woman/man while being born male/female is just ridiculous (and detrimental to actual women/men)

[The South Falls]

Good faith and level-headed discussion are not conducive to anti-LGBT hysteria, tho

Rest assured, I'm only against child sexual abuse and those who enable, justify, and accept it. Which does indeed include parts of the GLBT community, especially those around Desmond.

Very small parts of it. That shit is abuse, but saying the entire LGBT community is behind it, as some have done, is untrue.

[Leonixion]

Facts don't care about your feelings.

A belief is not a feeling and I can't endure Shapiro. You have the belief that gender is a self identification. It's also a feeling according to you.

[The South Falls]

That's a false claim. See: hijras.

Hijras are not considered actual women. Unlike what modern transgenders are asking for.

Being considered a woman. So much to ask for.

They're not asking to be a cat goddess, they are asking to be the opposite gender. It's not that hard.

[Liriena]

That's a false claim. See: hijras.

Hijras are not considered actual women. Unlike what modern transgenders are asking for.

"Transgender" is not a noun, cis.

And some hijras identify and are treated as women.

Also, something being new does not invalidate it.

[Uiiop]

I can see how one can think that.
If you didn't intentionally ignore that no spefic gender was being referred to at that point.
But i'd suppose it's worth to act as dumb as someone else was to ya. *Shrugs*

The saying turnabout's fair play *does* exist for a reason.

So does the saying "eye for an eye makes the whole world blind".
Like i said whoever you're responding to basically has the same excuse.

[Leonixion]

They're not asking to be a cat goddess, they are asking to be the opposite gender. It's not that hard.

Yes, it is. Don't force people to say that they are actual women/men. They aren't.