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Postby Liriena » Tue May 28, 2019 10:01 am

Aclion wrote:
Liriena wrote:Yes. Lots of you heteros did it for Roy Moore. In fact, lots of heteros voted for him.

And let's not get into what heteros did and continue to do with "lolis" and child actresses. Oof.

Put that goalpost back. The standard set up for LGBT was not, "nobody agrees with it" It was "not all of us agree with" hence OUT celebrity him as the future of LGBT doesn't reflect on the LGBT movement.

When OUT celebrates him, do they specifically celebrate the bar thing or just him doing drag in general? Because, as I said before, drag is not inherently sexual.
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Postby Nakena » Tue May 28, 2019 10:01 am

Meanwhile in Clown World:

The amazing Desmond is going to meet Ernie Glam and Bert Michael Alig for some showtime together.

For whom it may concern or who doesnt cares to look up the Video, Ernie and specifically Michael have quite a interesting history of their own...

Back in the days there were Bert and Ernie.

Now theres Ernie and Michael.

Unlike the former, the later might not exactly be the kind of of company one should let it's kids be unattended with... might be a slightly bad influence.
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Postby Cappuccina » Tue May 28, 2019 10:02 am

Des-Bal wrote:


If he was Gwen Stefanis age nobody would give a fuck.

"Nobody" is a bit of an exaggeration.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 28, 2019 10:03 am

Liriena wrote:Yes. Lots of you heteros did it for Roy Moore. In fact, lots of heteros voted for him.

And let's not get into what heteros did and continue to do with "lolis" and child actresses. Oof.


You show me one fucking person calling loli shit brave and inspirational or pick some other hill to die on.
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Postby Aclion » Tue May 28, 2019 10:03 am

Liriena wrote:
Aclion wrote:Put that goalpost back. The standard set up for LGBT was not, "nobody agrees with it" It was "not all of us agree with" hence OUT celebrity him as the future of LGBT doesn't reflect on the LGBT movement.

When OUT celebrates him, do they specifically celebrate the bar thing or just him doing drag in general? Because, as I said before, drag is not inherently sexual.

They are naming his as one of the most influential figures in LGBT, so everything he is promoting, including the stripping.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 28, 2019 10:04 am

Nakena wrote:Meanwhile in Clown World:

The amazing Desmond is going to meet Ernie Glam and Bert Michael Alig for some showtime together.

For whom it may concern or who doesnt cares to look up the Video, Ernie and specifically Michael have quite a interesting history of their own...

Back in the days there were Bert and Ernie.

Now theres Ernie and Michael.

Unlike the former, the later might not exactly be the kind of of company one should let it's kids be unattended with... might be a slightly bad influence.

>unironically saying Clown World
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue May 28, 2019 10:05 am

Aclion wrote:
Liriena wrote:When OUT celebrates him, do they specifically celebrate the bar thing or just him doing drag in general? Because, as I said before, drag is not inherently sexual.

They are naming his as one of the most influential figures in LGBT, so everything he is promoting, including the stripping.

Removing a smock to reveal a fully clothed costume that's more modest than the performer he's imitating.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Liriena » Tue May 28, 2019 10:07 am

Aclion wrote:
Liriena wrote:When OUT celebrates him, do they specifically celebrate the bar thing or just him doing drag in general? Because, as I said before, drag is not inherently sexual.

They are naming his as one of the most influential figures in LGBT, so everything he is promoting, including the stripping.

Do they specifically praise or even mention the stripping? If they don't, you're kind of strawmanning them there.

Celebrating an artist in general is not synonymous with celebrating every specific thing he's ever done. The whole is more than the mere sum of its parts.

Also, is the article from before or after the bar thing?
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Postby Galloism » Tue May 28, 2019 10:07 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Aclion wrote:They are naming his as one of the most influential figures in LGBT, so everything he is promoting, including the stripping.

Removing a smock to reveal a fully clothed costume that's more modest than the performer he's imitating.

But still overtly sexual.

"Whoooo!"
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Postby Cappuccina » Tue May 28, 2019 10:07 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Aclion wrote:They are naming his as one of the most influential figures in LGBT, so everything he is promoting, including the stripping.

Removing a smock to reveal a fully clothed costume that's more modest than the performer he's imitating.

Performing for drunk adults tossing $1s at him though..........
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 28, 2019 10:08 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:Removing a smock to reveal a fully clothed costume that's more modest than the performer he's imitating.


She's a fucking adult.
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Postby Nakena » Tue May 28, 2019 10:08 am

Liriena wrote:
Nakena wrote:Meanwhile in Clown World:

The amazing Desmond is going to meet Ernie Glam and Bert Michael Alig for some showtime together.

For whom it may concern or who doesnt cares to look up the Video, Ernie and specifically Michael have quite a interesting history of their own...

Back in the days there were Bert and Ernie.

Now theres Ernie and Michael.

Unlike the former, the later might not exactly be the kind of of company one should let it's kids be unattended with... might be a slightly bad influence.

>unironically saying Clown World
>not a Honkler avatar

your memery is half-baked, friend


Given the content I and the flashy colors in the videos I found myself somewhat compelled to hammer that meme into the post.

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Postby Torrocca » Tue May 28, 2019 10:08 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Liriena wrote:Yes. Lots of you heteros did it for Roy Moore. In fact, lots of heteros voted for him.

And let's not get into what heteros did and continue to do with "lolis" and child actresses. Oof.


You show me one fucking person calling loli shit brave and inspirational or pick some other hill to die on.


I mean, there's this game somebody made that's literally titled "brave loli". Your criteria was one person, sooo... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue May 28, 2019 10:11 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Removing a smock to reveal a fully clothed costume that's more modest than the performer he's imitating.


She's a fucking adult.

Who has performed at and won the Nickelodeon Kid's Choice Award.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 28, 2019 10:12 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:Who has performed at and won the Nickelodeon Kid's Choice Award.


If this was an adult man performing in drag for children you'd have an argument. It's not. You don't.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue May 28, 2019 10:21 am

Des-Bal wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Who has performed at and won the Nickelodeon Kid's Choice Award.


If this was an adult man performing in drag for children you'd have an argument. It's not. You don't.

Hahaha...I love the idea that the usual suspects wouldn't have even more of a problem with that. I can't get past that idea to even try to unpack whatever the logic of this was...
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Galloism » Tue May 28, 2019 10:25 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
If this was an adult man performing in drag for children you'd have an argument. It's not. You don't.

Hahaha...I love the idea that the usual suspects wouldn't have even more of a problem with that. I can't get past that idea to even try to unpack whatever the logic of this was...

Nonsexual drag in a children friendly environment? Seems ok. There's nothing inherently sexual about drag.

This?

Image
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 28, 2019 10:31 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Ifreann wrote:The cheering==sexual bit sounds new. I wonder what happens at school plays or youth sporting events in the US. Stoic silence?

Or a bunch of weird boners, I guess.

Oh no...


Cannot think of a name wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
She's a fucking adult.

Who has performed at and won the Nickelodeon Kid's Choice Award.

Ban Gwen Stefani. To protect the children.

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Postby Galloism » Tue May 28, 2019 10:33 am

Ifreann wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Who has performed at and won the Nickelodeon Kid's Choice Award.

Ban Gwen Stefani. To protect the children.

Tbh we should probably ban Gwen Stefani for the good of society, never mind the children.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue May 28, 2019 10:34 am

Galloism wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Hahaha...I love the idea that the usual suspects wouldn't have even more of a problem with that. I can't get past that idea to even try to unpack whatever the logic of this was...

Nonsexual drag in a children friendly environment? Seems ok. There's nothing inherently sexual about drag.

This?

Image

How puritan.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Ors Might » Tue May 28, 2019 10:40 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Galloism wrote:Nonsexual drag in a children friendly environment? Seems ok. There's nothing inherently sexual about drag.

This?

Image

How puritan.

Less puritan and more thinking that just maybe, kids shouldn’t dance in strip clubs while being given dollar bills by a bunch of cheering patrons? For fuck’s sake, some children are more mature than others but it shouldn’t be a controversial statement to say that kids shouldn’t be allowed into and to participate in strip clubs.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue May 28, 2019 10:41 am

Ors Might wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:How puritan.

Less puritan and more thinking that just maybe, kids shouldn’t dance in strip clubs while being given dollar bills by a bunch of cheering patrons? For fuck’s sake, some children are more mature than others but it shouldn’t be a controversial statement to say that kids shouldn’t be allowed into and to participate in strip clubs.

Drag is not stripping.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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Postby Galloism » Tue May 28, 2019 10:41 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:How puritan.

Yeah, I'm not ok with parents shoving children into a hazardous environment and dancing for a bunch of liquored up adults while they give him dollar bills.

That makes me a "puritan" I guess. I'd say it just makes me responsible.

I also don't think children should operate heavy machinery or work in a strip club serving drinks, even if they weren't dancing at all.

I'm a giant fuddy duddy, I know.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Ors Might » Tue May 28, 2019 10:42 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Less puritan and more thinking that just maybe, kids shouldn’t dance in strip clubs while being given dollar bills by a bunch of cheering patrons? For fuck’s sake, some children are more mature than others but it shouldn’t be a controversial statement to say that kids shouldn’t be allowed into and to participate in strip clubs.

Drag is not stripping.

Drag is, however, dancing in a strip club?
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Tue May 28, 2019 10:43 am

Ors Might wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Drag is not stripping.

Drag is, however, dancing in a strip club?

Nope.
"...I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season." -MLK Jr.

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