Desmond Napoles or how gender 'liberation' can lead to abuse

[Galloism]

Alright, 'wooo' as an argument really has to be where I draw the line. "They woooed"...that's...yeah. Cool.

Sets the context. You’ve got a bar literally sporting a strip club logo with children dancing in front of the alcohol fueled adult patrons, while said patrons “whooo” at clothes coming off and tip the children dollar bills.

Seems like a nice upstanding place for children to be.

Enjoy your gay panic. Outrage still denied.

Your attempt at a slur is noted, but it’s off base (as usual). Slurs are often the last resort of those out of arguments. Have a good day.

[Thermodolia]

Sure, and we can get rid of child beauty pageants as well.

I’m game.

[Thermodolia]

Alright, 'wooo' as an argument really has to be where I draw the line. "They woooed"...that's...yeah. Cool.

Enjoy your gay panic. Outrage still denied.

How is it gay panic? It’s a child in an adult space. That is enough for me to nope the fuck out.

[Ors Might]

From what I’ve gathered from the thread and the video, Desmond is a child that likes to dress in drag and act flamboyantly. Okay, drag isn’t my thing and flamboyant behavior tends to annoy the hell out of me but if this is how the kid wants to express himself, ain’t my place to tell him otherwise. But then we get to the dancing. Looking at the barebone facts, what we have here is a child dancing in a seedy bar that looks suspiciously like a strip club, all while a crowd cheers as he dances in a subjectively provocative manner, and they toss bills at him.

Yeah that’s a no from me chief

[Gormwood]

From what I’ve gathered from the thread and the video, Desmond is a child that likes to dress in drag and act flamboyantly. Okay, drag isn’t my thing and flamboyant behavior tends to annoy the hell out of me but if this is how the kid wants to express himself, ain’t my place to tell him otherwise. But then we get to the dancing. Looking at the barebone facts, what we have here is a child dancing in a seedy bar that looks suspiciously like a strip club, all while a crowd cheers as he dances in a subjectively provocative manner, and they toss bills at him.

Yeah that’s a no from me chief

The problem is when people declare it's proof LGBTs groom and encourage child molestation.

[Des-Bal]

I think some people get uncomfortable about addressing unacceptable things having to do with lgbt folk and other people view this discomfort as evidence of tacit acceptance which reinforces a hostile narrative and in turn discourages people from talking about it comfortably. It's the same thing that happens with crime by muslim immigrants in europe. Really the only thing you can do is take the rational stance and fight the hostile narrative.

[Ors Might]

From what I’ve gathered from the thread and the video, Desmond is a child that likes to dress in drag and act flamboyantly. Okay, drag isn’t my thing and flamboyant behavior tends to annoy the hell out of me but if this is how the kid wants to express himself, ain’t my place to tell him otherwise. But then we get to the dancing. Looking at the barebone facts, what we have here is a child dancing in a seedy bar that looks suspiciously like a strip club, all while a crowd cheers as he dances in a subjectively provocative manner, and they toss bills at him.

Yeah that’s a no from me chief

The problem is when people declare it's proof LGBTs groom and encourage child molestation.

Sure but we can call out both things. Both lumping the LGBT community with pedophillia and child exploitation are wrong. But since one is the main topic, focus on that while attacking the other when it actually crops up.

[Cappuccina]

Since the last topic about the LGBTQRS+ ruling in Brazil derailed, I thought it could be interesting to talk about it here. If you don't know Desmond Napoles, he represents the future of drag.

More precisely, he's a 11 yo boy acclaimed for being a drag queen (princess?). His life is mostly made of shows in bars, being sexualized, meeting and doing vlogs with convicted abusers and learning a lot about drugs. All of that thanks to his wonderful mom who has been fascinated with drag culture since her youth. Some said it was abused, that we shouldn't let a child in such environments but it doesn't really matter because all celebrities rush to embrace this new progressive icon and was even anointed by the Mother herself, Rupaul. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/08/09/rupaul- ... erica.html

More info here: https://youtu.be/X7J-hW_GO6o

THIS is why I don't support the lgbtq+ or whatever agenda. Thank you for sharing this.

The flaw in that line of thinking is that all LBGT ppl are on board with these silly leftist social projects, which we aren't. There is no "LBGT agenda", there is a leftist agenda that exploits LBGT folks as tools in its political aims, same with other minorities.

[Aclion]

From what I’ve gathered from the thread and the video, Desmond is a child that likes to dress in drag and act flamboyantly. Okay, drag isn’t my thing and flamboyant behavior tends to annoy the hell out of me but if this is how the kid wants to express himself, ain’t my place to tell him otherwise. But then we get to the dancing. Looking at the barebone facts, what we have here is a child dancing in a seedy bar that looks suspiciously like a strip club, all while a crowd cheers as he dances in a subjectively provocative manner, and they toss bills at him.

Yeah that’s a no from me chief

The problem is when people declare it's proof LGBTs groom and encourage child molestation.

This is being celbrated by the LGBT movement though, https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/08/09/d ... elves.html https://www.lofficielusa.com/pop%20cult ... ut100-list

If LGBT's want to avoid association with pedophiles defending, or even celebrating, a child stripping is not the way to do that. The way to aviod that is to distance yourself from it, by calling out the people using you to promote pedophilia.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The problem is when people declare it's proof LGBTs groom and encourage child molestation.

This is being celbrated by the LGBT movement though, https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/08/09/d ... elves.html https://www.lofficielusa.com/pop%20cult ... ut100-list

If LGBT's want to avoid association with pedophiles defending, or even celebrating, a child stripping is not the way to do that. The way to aviod that is to distance yourself from it, by calling out the people using you to promote pedophilia.

>RuPaul once called him "the future of America,"

If this shit is the future of America I think we all need to admit that the Republic needs to be put down.

[Cappuccina]

The problem is when people declare it's proof LGBTs groom and encourage child molestation.

This is being celbrated by the LGBT movement though, https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/08/09/d ... elves.html https://www.lofficielusa.com/pop%20cult ... ut100-list

If LGBT's want to avoid association with pedophiles defending, or even celebrating, a child stripping is not the way to do that. The way to aviod that is to distance yourself from it, by calling out the people using you to promote pedophilia.

A questionable media outlet and some Hollywood freaks supporting something hardly counts as "LBGT support" for this shit.

[Aclion]

This is being celbrated by the LGBT movement though, https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/08/09/d ... elves.html https://www.lofficielusa.com/pop%20cult ... ut100-list

If LGBT's want to avoid association with pedophiles defending, or even celebrating, a child stripping is not the way to do that. The way to aviod that is to distance yourself from it, by calling out the people using you to promote pedophilia.

A questionable media outlet and some Hollywood freaks supporting something hardly counts as "LBGT support" for this shit.

It's literally NBC, and OUT, a mainstream news outlet and "An American LGBT fashion, entertainment, and lifestyle magazine, with the highest circulation of any LGBT monthly publication in the United States." but sure I can get you more lamestream media running defense on this.
https://www.today.com/video/meet-the-10 ... 8142788000
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/la ... drag-queen
https://www.reuters.com/video/2019/03/1 ... =525891167
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/GMA_Day/vide ... g-58926262

But I don't think that's why you're objecting. I think you, like most of the other defenders of this feel that destroying the norms against child sexualiztion are worth it if it will undermine moral conservatism.

[Arcturus Novus]

This is being celbrated by the LGBT movement though, https://www.cnbc.com/video/2018/08/09/d ... elves.html https://www.lofficielusa.com/pop%20cult ... ut100-list

If LGBT's want to avoid association with pedophiles defending, or even celebrating, a child stripping is not the way to do that. The way to aviod that is to distance yourself from it, by calling out the people using you to promote pedophilia.

>RuPaul once called him "the future of America,"

If this shit is the future of America I think we all need to admit that the Republic needs to be put down.

The Republic has needed to be put down for a long, long time now.

Also, Ru is a controversial figure even within the community. He’s not exactly the sole voice of all we gays and transes.

[Gormwood]

The kid'll grow up to be an embittered right-wing figure with a podcast trying to escape his past by shutting down as many LGBT rights as possible.

[Ifreann]

Hey, this thread again. How's it going this time around?

[The Huskar Social Union]

That child should not be in drag dancing in front of adults like that, but this is not the action of some overarching lgbt or leftwing agenda, but the actions of a few who coerced or manipulated the kid into doing it.

Blame the kids parents/guardians/who ever angled him in this direction, dont go blaming the entire fucking lgbt community for it as its fucking stupid.

[Gormwood]

Hey, this thread again. How's it going this time around?

The since DEATed OP rebooted it to bait and troll LGBTs.

[Arcturus Novus]

Hey, this thread again. How's it going this time around?

Fucking awful, thanks for asking!

[Aclion]

That child should not be in drag dancing in front of adults like that, but this is not the action of some overarching lgbt or leftwing agenda, but the actions of a few who coerced or manipulated the kid into doing it.

Blame the kids parents/guardians/who ever angled him in this direction, dont go blaming the entire fucking lgbt community for it as its fucking stupid.

We can certainly blame the LGBT organisations that are defending it in the name of the LGBT community.

[The Huskar Social Union]

That child should not be in drag dancing in front of adults like that, but this is not the action of some overarching lgbt or leftwing agenda, but the actions of a few who coerced or manipulated the kid into doing it.

Blame the kids parents/guardians/who ever angled him in this direction, dont go blaming the entire fucking lgbt community for it as its fucking stupid.

We can certainly blame the LGBT organisations that are defending it in the name of the LGBT community.

That doesnt go against what i said?

[Cappuccina]

A questionable media outlet and some Hollywood freaks supporting something hardly counts as "LBGT support" for this shit.

It's literally NBC, and OUT, a mainstream news outlet and "An American LGBT fashion, entertainment, and lifestyle magazine, with the highest circulation of any LGBT monthly publication in the United States." but sure I can get you more lamestream media running defense on this.
https://www.today.com/video/meet-the-10 ... 8142788000
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/la ... drag-queen
https://www.reuters.com/video/2019/03/1 ... =525891167
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/GMA_Day/vide ... g-58926262

But I don't think that's why you're objecting. I think you, like most of the other defenders of this feel that destroying the norms against child sexualiztion are worth it if it will undermine moral conservatism.

No no, you're not understanding my position on this at all. I'm not defending this at all, in fact I oppose it. I'm saying that as an LBGT person and an individual with a conservative view of sexuality, that this isn't an LBGT thing, the community isn't a monolith with everyone supporting that same things.

[Aclion]

No no, you're not understanding my position on this at all. I'm not defending this at all, in fact I oppose it. I'm saying that as an LBGT person and an individual with a conservative view of sexuality, that this isn't an LBGT thing, the community isn't a monolith with everyone supporting that same things.

But you are defending it. Attacking those that call this out is defending it.

That doesnt go against what i said?

Doesn't it? Is OUT not part of the LGBT community? and if not why does the LGBT community allow OUT to speak for it?

[Des-Bal]

No no, you're not understanding my position on this at all. I'm not defending this at all, in fact I oppose it. I'm saying that as an LBGT person and an individual with a conservative view of sexuality, that this isn't an LBGT thing, the community isn't a monolith with everyone supporting that same things.

Of course it's not a monolith, there are no monoliths, ISIS isn't a monolith. To say that a group is not univocal can protect one person or a segment of a group from criticsm but not the group itself. If you don't have polls then the public face of a group is the only real judge of what it's actually about.

[Proctopeo]

The kid'll grow up to be an embittered right-wing figure with a podcast trying to escape his past by shutting down as many LGBT rights as possible.

CSA fucks people up, don't try and downplay the impacts it can have on people later down the line just because he's been made into an LGBT icon.

[Ifreann]

Hey, this thread again. How's it going this time around?

Fucking awful, thanks for asking!

Sweet, I'll have to give it a read. Can't beat a good awful thread.