Desmond Napoles or how gender 'liberation' can lead to abuse

[Kowani]

1. Race from a biological perspective is just another word for subspecies/offshoot. Human's don't have races because we killed off the last of our sibling species 40,000+ years ago. What we consider to be race nowadays was actually invented only ~500 years or so ago (What we consider race is actually called a "Morph", which is a different coloration or slight physical change within the same species, think of Leopards and Panthers, which are the same species that happen to have wildly different color variations).

2. Because people don't understand the difference between gender and sex.

1. I know. Doesn't change the fact that you can't change race even if it's shitty science.

2. Because there aren't really. Just that we call female human beings women, and male human beings men. You can be a very feminine man but you are still a man. Don't act like it's not linked.

Argue with Wikipedia, then.

[Cannot think of a name]

You're "I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens"-esque needle thread is not the 'have your cake and eat it too' qualification you think it is.

You're doing the same old dance and thinking 'jazz hands' makes it different. It isn't. It's hack bullshit and doesn't require anyone's "a game".

Responding to your shit doesn't really require anyone's "a game".

It's low effort.

It shows.

Anyway, for anyone on the hook for this hacky bullshit of trying to associate pedophilia with LGBT, some light reading.

Reflecting the results of these and other studies, as well as clinical experience, the mainstream view among researchers and professionals who work in the area of child sexual abuse is that homosexual and bisexual men do not pose any special threat to children. For example, in one review of the scientific literature, noted authority Dr. A. Nicholas Groth wrote:

Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).

The effort, even when couched in "I'm not toooooouuuuuuching you" bullshit of going "Oh, but the pedophiles are trying to be part of LGBT for reasons" is part of a long, long history of trying to equate the two that has everything to do with justifying prejudices.

Members of disliked minority groups are often stereotyped as representing a danger to the majority's most vulnerable members. For example, Jews in the Middle Ages were accused of murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. Black men in the United States were often lynched after being falsely accused of raping White women.

In a similar fashion, gay people have often been portrayed as a threat to children. Back in 1977, when Anita Bryant campaigned successfully to repeal a Dade County (FL) ordinance prohibiting anti-gay discrimination, she named her organization "Save Our Children," and warned that "a particularly deviant-minded [gay] teacher could sexually molest children" (Bryant, 1977, p. 114). [Bibliographic references are on a different web page]

In recent years, antigay activists have routinely asserted that gay people are child molesters. This argument was often made in debates about the Boy Scouts of America's policy to exclude gay scouts and scoutmasters. More recently, in the wake of Rep. Mark Foley's resignation from the US House of Representatives in 2006, antigay activists and their supporters seized on the scandal to revive this canard.

It has also been raised in connection with scandals about the Catholic church's attempts to cover up the abuse of young males by priests. Indeed, the Vatican's early response to the 2002 revelations of widespread Church cover-ups of sexual abuse by priests was to declare that gay men should not be ordained.

Don't let people pass this shit off. Call them out. Tell them to show their work. Then show them the door.

[The Emerald Legion]

Most transgender people disapprove of pedophilia, or more precisely the exploitation of children to satisfy pedophilic desires.

But that's inconvenient for the narrative.

Because everything that disagrees with your worldview is a republican conspiracy.

[New haven america]

But that's inconvenient for the narrative.

Because everything that disagrees with your worldview is a republican conspiracy.

How can it be a Republican conspiracy if Vass doesn't live in America?

Or even North America, for that matter.

[RiderSyl]

Because everything that disagrees with your worldview is a republican conspiracy.

How can it be a Republican conspiracy if Vass doesn't live in America?

Or even North America, for that matter.

Because everyone that disagrees with The Emerald Legion's worldview is an American liberal.

[Vassenor]

But that's inconvenient for the narrative.

Because everything that disagrees with your worldview is a republican conspiracy.

I didn't even say anything about Republicans. I was talking about the narrative this thread was set up to force.

[The Emerald Legion]

How can it be a Republican conspiracy if Vass doesn't live in America?

Or even North America, for that matter.

Because everyone that disagrees with The Emerald Legion's worldview is an American liberal.

Or a foreigner.

[New haven america]

How can it be a Republican conspiracy if Vass doesn't live in America?

Or even North America, for that matter.

Because everyone that disagrees with The Emerald Legion's worldview is an American liberal.

Of course!

The Republicans have spread to Europe!

[Fartsniffage]

Because everyone that disagrees with The Emerald Legion's worldview is an American liberal.

Or a foreigner.

Foreigners are just the worst.

[Nova Cyberia]

Responding to your shit doesn't really require anyone's "a game".

It's low effort.

It shows.

Anyway, for anyone on the hook for this hacky bullshit of trying to associate pedophilia with LGBT, some light reading.

Reflecting the results of these and other studies, as well as clinical experience, the mainstream view among researchers and professionals who work in the area of child sexual abuse is that homosexual and bisexual men do not pose any special threat to children. For example, in one review of the scientific literature, noted authority Dr. A. Nicholas Groth wrote:

Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? There is no reason to believe so. The research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There appears to be practically no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual (Groth & Gary, 1982, p. 147).

The effort, even when couched in "I'm not toooooouuuuuuching you" bullshit of going "Oh, but the pedophiles are trying to be part of LGBT for reasons" is part of a long, long history of trying to equate the two that has everything to do with justifying prejudices.

Members of disliked minority groups are often stereotyped as representing a danger to the majority's most vulnerable members. For example, Jews in the Middle Ages were accused of murdering Christian babies in ritual sacrifices. Black men in the United States were often lynched after being falsely accused of raping White women.

In a similar fashion, gay people have often been portrayed as a threat to children. Back in 1977, when Anita Bryant campaigned successfully to repeal a Dade County (FL) ordinance prohibiting anti-gay discrimination, she named her organization "Save Our Children," and warned that "a particularly deviant-minded [gay] teacher could sexually molest children" (Bryant, 1977, p. 114). [Bibliographic references are on a different web page]

In recent years, antigay activists have routinely asserted that gay people are child molesters. This argument was often made in debates about the Boy Scouts of America's policy to exclude gay scouts and scoutmasters. More recently, in the wake of Rep. Mark Foley's resignation from the US House of Representatives in 2006, antigay activists and their supporters seized on the scandal to revive this canard.

It has also been raised in connection with scandals about the Catholic church's attempts to cover up the abuse of young males by priests. Indeed, the Vatican's early response to the 2002 revelations of widespread Church cover-ups of sexual abuse by priests was to declare that gay men should not be ordained.

Don't let people pass this shit off. Call them out. Tell them to show their work. Then show them the door.

Oh fucking give it a rest. I'm not saying, nor have I ever even said, that LGBT people are somehow genetically predisposed to wanna fuck kids.

You seem to have a rather difficult time responding to what people actually said.

[RiderSyl]

Oh fucking give it a rest. I'm not saying, nor have I ever even said, that LGBT people are somehow genetically predisposed to wanna fuck kids.

You seem to have a rather difficult time responding to what people actually said.

Only the "It shows." portion of their post was directed at you, Nova. The rest was a general statement.

[Cannot think of a name]

It shows.

Anyway, for anyone on the hook for this hacky bullshit of trying to associate pedophilia with LGBT, some light reading.

The effort, even when couched in "I'm not toooooouuuuuuching you" bullshit of going "Oh, but the pedophiles are trying to be part of LGBT for reasons" is part of a long, long history of trying to equate the two that has everything to do with justifying prejudices.

Don't let people pass this shit off. Call them out. Tell them to show their work. Then show them the door.

Oh fucking give it a rest. I'm not saying, nor have I ever even said, that LGBT people are somehow genetically predisposed to wanna fuck kids.

You seem to have a rather difficult time responding to what people actually said.

I addressed your stupid hedge that the pedophiles are the ones trying to work their way into the LGBT community as your dumb 'jazz hands' variation on trying to equate LGBT and pedophilia. To wit, it's the same bullshit with an also tired shuffle. And has just as much support, ie none.

Sorry dude, your hack shit is hack.

[Nova Cyberia]

Oh fucking give it a rest. I'm not saying, nor have I ever even said, that LGBT people are somehow genetically predisposed to wanna fuck kids.

You seem to have a rather difficult time responding to what people actually said.

I addressed your stupid hedge that the pedophiles are the ones trying to work their way into the LGBT community as your dumb 'jazz hands' variation on trying to equate LGBT and pedophilia. To wit, it's the same bullshit with an also tired shuffle. And has just as much support, ie none.

Sorry dude, your hack shit is hack.

Considering that you've offered 0 evidence for that assertion I'm just gonna go and say you're full of shit.

Sorry, but you're a one-trick pony. All you have is pathetically infantile snark.

You're not worth my time.

[Fartsniffage]

I addressed your stupid hedge that the pedophiles are the ones trying to work their way into the LGBT community as your dumb 'jazz hands' variation on trying to equate LGBT and pedophilia. To wit, it's the same bullshit with an also tired shuffle. And has just as much support, ie none.

Sorry dude, your hack shit is hack.

Considering that you've offered 0 evidence for that assertion I'm just gonna go and say you're full of shit.

Sorry, but you're a one-trick pony. All you have is pathetically infantile snark.

You're not worth my time.

But he did offer evidence. There was a link in his post and everything.

[Nova Cyberia]

Considering that you've offered 0 evidence for that assertion I'm just gonna go and say you're full of shit.

Sorry, but you're a one-trick pony. All you have is pathetically infantile snark.

You're not worth my time.

But he did offer evidence. There was a link in his post and everything.

That was talking about gay people and their genetic predisposition to wanna fuck kids (or lack thereof, as it were).

That wasn't what I was talking about.

[Fartsniffage]

But he did offer evidence. There was a link in his post and everything.

That was talking about gay people and their genetic predisposition to wanna fuck kids (or lack thereof, as it were).

That wasn't what I was talking about.

What were you talking about?

[Scomagia]

This sounds a lot like pedophile apologism. A child should not be dancing lewdly for adults, period, regardless of the type of adult. What the fuck, dude?

That's probably quite a hard line to define though. I assume you'd be with me on banning child beauty pageants, but what about ballet recitals? All that bending and doing the splits in revealing clothing, an argument for it being lewd could easily be made.

Child beauty pageants are similarly disconcerting.

Ballet, however, has a very different aim to the abuse that this child is facing. Among other things, child ballet dancers are not doing ballet in bars among strangers and incorporating movements designed to arouse their sexual attention. Ballet is essentially an athletic performance with artistic trappings and the clothes are designed to maximize flexibility.

[Nova Cyberia]

That was talking about gay people and their genetic predisposition to wanna fuck kids (or lack thereof, as it were).

That wasn't what I was talking about.

What were you talking about?

I said that pedophiles have tried to weasel their way into the LGBT movement. I didn't say they were successful, nor did I say gay people are more likely to be pedophiles or anything of the sort.

[Scomagia]

That's probably quite a hard line to define though. I assume you'd be with me on banning child beauty pageants, but what about ballet recitals? All that bending and doing the splits in revealing clothing, an argument for it being lewd could easily be made.

What about gymnastics, which people tend to start young, or swimming? Both of which tend to have revealing clothing.

You mean two activities which are athletic in nature and thus require the least amount of resistance or impediment from clothing as possible? Yeah, that's totally like a child being sexually fetishised in bars.

[Cannot think of a name]

What were you talking about?

I said that pedophiles have tried to weasel their way into the LGBT movement. I didn't say they were successful, nor did I say gay people are more likely to be pedophiles or anything of the sort.

Which I correctly framed as part of the long, long history to erroneously associate pedophilia with LGBT regardless of there being no correlation. And then provided the historical context and how that association exists solely in the minds of people trying to stir up fear and derision towards LGBT.

We have yet to see any evidence for your claims, however.

[Neutraligon]

What about gymnastics, which people tend to start young, or swimming? Both of which tend to have revealing clothing.

You mean two activities which are athletic in nature and thus require the least amount of resistance or impediment from clothing as possible? Yeah, that's totally like a child being sexually fetishised in bars.

You think performing sexualized dancing is not athletic in nature and thus requires the least amount of resistance necessary?

[Scomagia]

This sounds a lot like pedophile apologism. A child should not be dancing lewdly for adults, period, regardless of the type of adult. What the fuck, dude?

I thought the context was pretty clear he didn't mean like was that.
The video talked about Desmond talking with a murderer(sentence served but with some caveats if it matters) and showed that the association with bad people could be distinct enough from the other things.

That's actually worse because they have no problem with a child being sexually fetishized by adults in a bar but do have a problem with them speaking to someone. It's fucking bizarre.

[Fartsniffage]

That's probably quite a hard line to define though. I assume you'd be with me on banning child beauty pageants, but what about ballet recitals? All that bending and doing the splits in revealing clothing, an argument for it being lewd could easily be made.

Child beauty pageants are similarly disconcerting.

Ballet, however, has a very different aim to the abuse that this child is facing. Among other things, child ballet dancers are not doing ballet in bars among strangers and incorporating movements designed to arouse their sexual attention. Ballet is essentially an athletic performance with artistic trappings and the clothes are designed to maximize flexibility.

All dance is essentially an athletic performance. It's why the people good at it are so incredibly fit.

What's your opinion on cheerleading?

[Scomagia]

You mean two activities which are athletic in nature and thus require the least amount of resistance or impediment from clothing as possible? Yeah, that's totally like a child being sexually fetishised in bars.

You think performing sexualized dancing is not athletic in nature and thus requires the least amount of resistance necessary?

What that kid is doing? Not really. He could do it badly and no one would care because sexual arousal is the goal, not artistic or athletic expression. This is an example of embracing tolerance to a moronic degree. You're seriously comparing child abuse to art and sport.

[Scomagia]

Child beauty pageants are similarly disconcerting.

Ballet, however, has a very different aim to the abuse that this child is facing. Among other things, child ballet dancers are not doing ballet in bars among strangers and incorporating movements designed to arouse their sexual attention. Ballet is essentially an athletic performance with artistic trappings and the clothes are designed to maximize flexibility.

All dance is essentially an athletic performance. It's why the people good at it are so incredibly fit.

What's your opinion on cheerleading?

In principle, cheerleading is fine. In practice, it's inappropriately sexualized.