Desmond Napoles or how gender 'liberation' can lead to abuse

[The South Falls]

I mean, it's more your chromosomes. Certain pieces determine your brain's perception of your gender, and if those pieces make you believe you're the opposite gender, such happens.

Find these pieces of chromosomes then. Ah shit, no you can't since most brain don't have a gender. So is gender linked to biology or is it cultural and be amended?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2018 ... 191fea11ea

1. Ok then. I did. It's merely a beginning and not a shattering death blow, though I can find further sources if you'd like.

[Arcturus Novus]

"person’s internal sense of being male, female or something else". So conclusive. So precise. So foolproof.

This isn't even the topic of your own thread.

[The Nordic 5]

What does being treated as women even mean? After centuries of feminist liberation, it shouldn't mean anything.

That's a massive can of worms you're trying to open there.

I agree with Leonixion for once, fuck being treated like a woman, treat everyone the same, does sex, gender, race, etc. really matter? Just treat each other as people. That's what the world has to do. Problem is, humans are assholes. I'll admit I am an asshole sometimes too.

[Kannap]

This one already turned into a trainwreck by page 3, since the thread seems to be discussing whether or not transgender people are to be respected as they are and referred to by their preferred pronouns.

Honestly, OP could just rename the thread "What do you think about Transgender people?" instead of naming it after Desmond.

Using male pronouns for a biological male isn't a lack of respect.

Using male pronouns for a woman is a lack of respect, as has been repeatedly pointed out to you.

[Liriena]

Very small parts of it. That shit is abuse, but saying the entire LGBT community is behind it, as some have done, is untrue.

Probably doesn't help that last time this degenerate garbage came up more than a few were willing to defend it.

When you frame this kind of thing in terms of "this is LGBT rights fault and drag queens are bad for children", you're kind of manipulating LGBT people and their allies into a defensive position simply because you're treating this one story as reflective of all LGBT people. Which is what happened the first time, as well as this one. We're put in a position where we either have to throw some of our own under the bus to preserve our respectability in the face of bad faith actors or dig our heels in.

[Liriena]

That's a massive can of worms you're trying to open there.

I agree with Leonixion for once, fuck being treated like a woman, treat everyone the same, does sex, gender, race, etc. really matter? Just treat each other as people. That's what the world has to do. Problem is, humans are assholes. I'll admit I am an asshole sometimes too.

That's a good sentiment, but it's also very simplistic.

[Leonixion]

"person’s internal sense of being male, female or something else". So conclusive. So precise. So foolproof.

Better than an NS thread on the subject ^_^
I’m sure you can enlighten us more.

Gender doesn't work with self-identification. Gender is given based on biological appearance. It's like race. No one choose to be white instead of black.

[Nova Cyberia]

Probably doesn't help that last time this degenerate garbage came up more than a few were willing to defend it.

When you frame this kind of thing in terms of "this is LGBT rights fault and drag queens are bad for children", you're kind of manipulating LGBT people and their allies into a defensive position simply because you're treating this one story as reflective of all LGBT people. Which is what happened the first time, as well as this one. We're put in a position where we either have to throw some of our own under the bus to preserve our respectability in the face of bad faith actors or dig our heels in.

You mean you might have to acknowledge that the sexualization of children is bad? Terrible. Just terrible.

And you choose to dig your heels in here because, what, an 11-year old kid shaking his ass for grown mens' pleasure is something worth defending?

[The South Falls]

"person’s internal sense of being male, female or something else". So conclusive. So precise. So foolproof.

Whatever nonexistent source you've provided.

So conclusive. So precise. So foolproof.


Nah but provide a source or you cannot be taken at face value.

[Cataluna]

Better than an NS thread on the subject ^_^
I’m sure you can enlighten us more.

Gender doesn't work with self-identification. Gender is given based on biological appearance. It's like race. No one choose to be white instead of black.

Fair enough. When I have titty skittles, will you call me a woman?

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

The kids habits are fine, his mom is a bitch for showing him off like this.

[Proctopeo]

Probably doesn't help that last time this degenerate garbage came up more than a few were willing to defend it.

When you frame this kind of thing in terms of "this is LGBT rights fault and drag queens are bad for children", you're kind of manipulating LGBT people and their allies into a defensive position simply because you're treating this one story as reflective of all LGBT people. Which is what happened the first time, as well as this one. We're put in a position where we either have to throw some of our own under the bus to preserve our respectability in the face of bad faith actors or dig our heels in.

There's better ways to handle such a situation than defending child sexual abuse.
It's best to throw some people under the bus sometimes, you see. Or you could try and make a differentiation between those who are and those who aren't pedophiles.

[Liriena]

When you frame this kind of thing in terms of "this is LGBT rights fault and drag queens are bad for children", you're kind of manipulating LGBT people and their allies into a defensive position simply because you're treating this one story as reflective of all LGBT people. Which is what happened the first time, as well as this one. We're put in a position where we either have to throw some of our own under the bus to preserve our respectability in the face of bad faith actors or dig our heels in.

You mean you might have to acknowledge that the sexualization of children is bad? Terrible. Just terrible.

And you choose to dig your heels in here because, what, an 11-year old kid shaking his ass for grown mens' pleasure is something worth defending?

If the complaint was solely towards Desmond being sexualized, there wouldn't be a debate or any reason for controversy... but OP isn't whining only about the sexualization. He is also whining about the drag and trans identity and "gender liberation", as if those were all somehow responsible on some level for the sexualization.

[Uiiop]

Probably doesn't help that last time this degenerate garbage came up more than a few were willing to defend it.

When you frame this kind of thing in terms of "this is LGBT rights fault and drag queens are bad for children", you're kind of manipulating LGBT people and their allies into a defensive position simply because you're treating this one story as reflective of all LGBT people. Which is what happened the first time, as well as this one. We're put in a position where we either have to throw some of our own under the bus to preserve our respectability in the face of bad faith actors or dig our heels in.

Also consider who was it who made the last op and poorly constructed that was.
They should have thought it through but i can't quite say i'd blame them either.

[Kannap]

When you frame this kind of thing in terms of "this is LGBT rights fault and drag queens are bad for children", you're kind of manipulating LGBT people and their allies into a defensive position simply because you're treating this one story as reflective of all LGBT people. Which is what happened the first time, as well as this one. We're put in a position where we either have to throw some of our own under the bus to preserve our respectability in the face of bad faith actors or dig our heels in.

You mean you might have to acknowledge that the sexualization of children is bad? Terrible. Just terrible.

And you choose to dig your heels in here because, what, an 11-year old kid shaking his ass for grown mens' pleasure is something worth defending?

You've misunderstood what Liriena is saying. The say thread turned into a massive derailed shitstorm of people just blanket attacking LGBT people as a whole for the small group of people who are affiliated with Desmond.

I'll happily throw the group affiliated with Desmond under the bus because they're child abusers or supporting child abuse and its disgusting. But, like Liriena said, when people start attacking the entire LGBT community and all LGBT people as if we're one mind when the majority of us easily oppose Desmond's child abuse, then we're forced into a position of defending ourselves - not defending the act of Desmond dancing and being abused - but it gets misconstrued as defending that instead of defending ourselves.

[Nova Cyberia]

You mean you might have to acknowledge that the sexualization of children is bad? Terrible. Just terrible.

And you choose to dig your heels in here because, what, an 11-year old kid shaking his ass for grown mens' pleasure is something worth defending?

If the complaint was solely towards Desmond being sexualized, there wouldn't be a debate or any reason for controversy... but OP isn't whining only about the sexualization. He is also whining about the drag and trans identity and "gender liberation", as if those were all somehow responsible on some level for the sexualization.

I might be inclined to agree with you if it wasn't continually LGBT people and other left-wingers who defend him and his parents.

[Liriena]

When you frame this kind of thing in terms of "this is LGBT rights fault and drag queens are bad for children", you're kind of manipulating LGBT people and their allies into a defensive position simply because you're treating this one story as reflective of all LGBT people. Which is what happened the first time, as well as this one. We're put in a position where we either have to throw some of our own under the bus to preserve our respectability in the face of bad faith actors or dig our heels in.

There's better ways to handle such a situation than defending child sexual abuse.
It's best to throw some people under the bus sometimes, you see. Or you could try and make a differentiation between those who are and those who aren't pedophiles.

Of course, but that takes a nuance and level-headedness that is hard to come up with when your opponent is already hurling overgeneralized accusations.

[Cataluna]

If the complaint was solely towards Desmond being sexualized, there wouldn't be a debate or any reason for controversy... but OP isn't whining only about the sexualization. He is also whining about the drag and trans identity and "gender liberation", as if those were all somehow responsible on some level for the sexualization.

I might be inclined to agree with you if it wasn't continually LGBT people and other left-wingers who defend him and his parents.

WHICH ONES? WHICH ONES? And why do we care if so?

[Liriena]

If the complaint was solely towards Desmond being sexualized, there wouldn't be a debate or any reason for controversy... but OP isn't whining only about the sexualization. He is also whining about the drag and trans identity and "gender liberation", as if those were all somehow responsible on some level for the sexualization.

I might be inclined to agree with you if it wasn't continually LGBT people and other left-wingers who defend him and his parents.

How many?

[The South Falls]

Better than an NS thread on the subject ^_^
I’m sure you can enlighten us more.

Gender doesn't work with self-identification. Gender is given based on biological appearance. It's like race. No one choose to be white instead of black.

If you see a pic of Vass, and she looks like a woman, are we done here?

[Proctopeo]

There's better ways to handle such a situation than defending child sexual abuse.
It's best to throw some people under the bus sometimes, you see. Or you could try and make a differentiation between those who are and those who aren't pedophiles.

Of course, but that takes a nuance and level-headedness that is hard to come up with when your opponent is already hurling overgeneralized accusations.

For some, perhaps, but that's why you think before you speak. Er, post. While it is obviously very easy to, instead of making a reasoned argument, defend child sexual abuse, any degree of care should prevent doing something as brainless as that.

When you frame this kind of thing in terms of "this is LGBT rights fault and drag queens are bad for children", you're kind of manipulating LGBT people and their allies into a defensive position simply because you're treating this one story as reflective of all LGBT people. Which is what happened the first time, as well as this one. We're put in a position where we either have to throw some of our own under the bus to preserve our respectability in the face of bad faith actors or dig our heels in.

Also consider who was it who made the last op and poorly constructed that was.
They should have thought it through but i can't quite say i'd blame them either.

I personally can blame them, they really should've thought it through.

[Kannap]

If the complaint was solely towards Desmond being sexualized, there wouldn't be a debate or any reason for controversy... but OP isn't whining only about the sexualization. He is also whining about the drag and trans identity and "gender liberation", as if those were all somehow responsible on some level for the sexualization.

I might be inclined to agree with you if it wasn't continually LGBT people and other left-wingers who defend him and his parents.

Again, yes, its LGBT people and left-wingers defending him, cut them off. Throw them under the bus. But don't even try to tell me, for a second, that every single LGBT person and every single left-winger condones that behavior and that abuse.

[Nova Cyberia]

I might be inclined to agree with you if it wasn't continually LGBT people and other left-wingers who defend him and his parents.

How many?

Too many to count. Mostly his social media bees who defend him with the usual "YASSSS KWEEEN SLAAYYYYY" shit.

But I am willing to accept that it isn't a majority of the LGBT movement. Just too damn many of them, though.

[Nova Cyberia]

I might be inclined to agree with you if it wasn't continually LGBT people and other left-wingers who defend him and his parents.

Again, yes, its LGBT people and left-wingers defending him, cut them off. Throw them under the bus. But don't even try to tell me, for a second, that every single LGBT person and every single left-winger condones that behavior and that abuse.

I'm not. I just find it to be rather disturbing how many of them defend him.

But as I said, I am willing to accept it's not a majority.

[Leonixion]

If you see a pic of Vass, and she looks like a woman, are we done here?

Biological (natural) appearance. Not something doped with a HRT.