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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon May 27, 2019 1:56 pm

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Proctopeo wrote:Rest assured, I'm only against child sexual abuse and those who enable, justify, and accept it. Which does indeed include parts of the GLBT community, especially those around Desmond.

Very small parts of it. That shit is abuse, but saying the entire LGBT community is behind it, as some have done, is untrue.


Probably doesn't help that last time this degenerate garbage came up more than a few were willing to defend it.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 27, 2019 1:57 pm

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Vassenor wrote:Facts don't care about your feelings.

A belief is not a feeling and I can't endure Shapiro. You have the belief that gender is a self identification. It's also a feeling according to you.


Science disagrees with you.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon May 27, 2019 1:58 pm

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Vassenor wrote:Facts don't care about your feelings.

A belief is not a feeling and I can't endure Shapiro. You have the belief that gender is a self identification. It's also a feeling according to you.

I mean, it's more your chromosomes. Certain pieces determine your brain's perception of your gender, and if those pieces make you believe you're the opposite gender, such happens.
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Postby Leonixion » Mon May 27, 2019 1:58 pm

Liriena wrote:And some hijras identify and are treated as women.

Also, something being new does not invalidate it.

What does being treated as women even mean? After centuries of feminist liberation, it shouldn't mean anything.

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Postby Nakena » Mon May 27, 2019 1:58 pm

I am fairly certain that the parents are the driving force behind this disturbing american edition of Bacha bazi.

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Postby The South Falls » Mon May 27, 2019 1:58 pm

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The South Falls wrote:Very small parts of it. That shit is abuse, but saying the entire LGBT community is behind it, as some have done, is untrue.


Probably doesn't help that last time this degenerate garbage came up more than a few were willing to defend it.

I wish there was a poll, but I doubt it was as widespread as some in this thread believe.
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Postby Leonixion » Mon May 27, 2019 1:59 pm


Ah yes, psychology, this perfect science.

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Postby Telconi » Mon May 27, 2019 1:59 pm

The South Falls wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Probably doesn't help that last time this degenerate garbage came up more than a few were willing to defend it.

I wish there was a poll, but I doubt it was as widespread as some in this thread believe.


Likely a loud minority.
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Postby The Nordic 5 » Mon May 27, 2019 1:59 pm

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The South Falls wrote:They're not asking to be a cat goddess, they are asking to be the opposite gender. It's not that hard.

Yes, it is. Don't force people to say that they are actual women/men. They aren't.


If they've gone through the surgery and they're fully transitioned, they're whatever they transitioned to. My girlfriend is mtf, so she's female to me, I am a cisgender female and consider her female.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 27, 2019 1:59 pm

Leonixion wrote:

Ah yes, psychology, this perfect science.


Sorry if you can't take it that science doesn't match your feelings.
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Postby Liriena » Mon May 27, 2019 2:00 pm

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Ah yes, psychology, this perfect science.

I look forward to you demonstrating your superior expertise. Go ahead and show us how superior you are to the whole APA.
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Postby Kannap » Mon May 27, 2019 2:00 pm

Leonixion wrote:

Ah yes, psychology, this perfect science.


Love anytime psychology is used to point out people's bullshit the generic response is that psychology isn't science.
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Postby The South Falls » Mon May 27, 2019 2:00 pm

Nakena wrote:I am fairly certain that the parents are the driving force behind this disturbing american edition of Bacha bazi.

It's near entirely the parents, yea.
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Ah yes, psychology, this perfect science.

Disregarding science at will for illegitimate reasons. What power.

Got a better source.
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Postby Necroghastia » Mon May 27, 2019 2:00 pm

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Ah yes, psychology, this perfect science.


Again, do you have anything to actually back up the things you say, or are you just going to continue to spout nonsense and expect people to take it at face value?
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Postby Leonixion » Mon May 27, 2019 2:00 pm

The South Falls wrote:I mean, it's more your chromosomes. Certain pieces determine your brain's perception of your gender, and if those pieces make you believe you're the opposite gender, such happens.

Find these pieces of chromosomes then. Ah shit, no you can't since most brain don't have a gender. So is gender linked to biology or is it cultural and be amended?

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Postby New haven america » Mon May 27, 2019 2:00 pm

We already had this thread a couple months ago and it turned into a total shitshow.

Sure, let's have another one!
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Postby Liriena » Mon May 27, 2019 2:01 pm

Leonixion wrote:
Liriena wrote:And some hijras identify and are treated as women.

Also, something being new does not invalidate it.

What does being treated as women even mean? After centuries of feminist liberation, it shouldn't mean anything.

That's a massive can of worms you're trying to open there.
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Postby Proctopeo » Mon May 27, 2019 2:02 pm

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Proctopeo wrote:Rest assured, I'm only against child sexual abuse and those who enable, justify, and accept it. Which does indeed include parts of the GLBT community, especially those around Desmond.

Very small parts of it. That shit is abuse, but saying the entire LGBT community is behind it, as some have done, is untrue.

Regardless of the size it's definitely enough to warrant concern.

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The South Falls wrote:Very small parts of it. That shit is abuse, but saying the entire LGBT community is behind it, as some have done, is untrue.


Probably doesn't help that last time this degenerate garbage came up more than a few were willing to defend it.

Also, this. Sometimes I still speculate about their motivations for doing so.
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Postby Kannap » Mon May 27, 2019 2:03 pm

New haven america wrote:We already had this thread a couple months ago and it turned into a total shitshow.

Sure, let's have another one!


This one already turned into a trainwreck by page 3, since the thread seems to be discussing whether or not transgender people are to be respected as they are and referred to by their preferred pronouns.

Honestly, OP could just rename the thread "What do you think about Transgender people?" instead of naming it after Desmond.
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Postby Leonixion » Mon May 27, 2019 2:03 pm

"person’s internal sense of being male, female or something else". So conclusive. So precise. So foolproof.

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Postby Nova Cyberia » Mon May 27, 2019 2:03 pm

A kid whose parents let him shake his ass in gay bars for money is an abuse victim and needs to be taken from them.
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Postby Uiiop » Mon May 27, 2019 2:03 pm

New haven america wrote:We already had this thread a couple months ago and it turned into a total shitshow.

Sure, let's have another one!

Kannap wrote:
New haven america wrote:We already had this thread a couple months ago and it turned into a total shitshow.

Sure, let's have another one!


This one already turned into a trainwreck by page 3, since the thread seems to be discussing whether or not transgender people are to be respected as they are and referred to by their preferred pronouns.

Honestly, OP could just rename the thread "What do you think about Transgender people?" instead of naming it after Desmond.


People looked for the one data point proving that the "Slippery slope" argument is vaild and found it.

It doesn't quite work that way even if the exact issue here wasn't ambiguous.
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Postby Nakena » Mon May 27, 2019 2:03 pm

Kannap wrote:
New haven america wrote:We already had this thread a couple months ago and it turned into a total shitshow.

Sure, let's have another one!


This one already turned into a trainwreck by page 3, since the thread seems to be discussing whether or not transgender people are to be respected as they are and referred to by their preferred pronouns.

Honestly, OP could just rename the thread "What do you think about Transgender people?" instead of naming it after Desmond.


However as theres no thread ownership on NSG, we can do better than that.

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Postby Leonixion » Mon May 27, 2019 2:04 pm

Kannap wrote:This one already turned into a trainwreck by page 3, since the thread seems to be discussing whether or not transgender people are to be respected as they are and referred to by their preferred pronouns.

Honestly, OP could just rename the thread "What do you think about Transgender people?" instead of naming it after Desmond.

Using male pronouns for a biological male isn't a lack of respect.

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Postby Cataluna » Mon May 27, 2019 2:04 pm

Leonixion wrote:"person’s internal sense of being male, female or something else". So conclusive. So precise. So foolproof.

Better than an NS thread on the subject ^_^
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