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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 28, 2019 1:23 pm

Kannap wrote:
Ifreann wrote:They're not creating a new law, they're saying that existing law covering racism will also be applied to homophobia in the same way.


Now if only the American government could agree present anti-discrimination laws should extend to LGBT persons.

That would be communism.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue May 28, 2019 1:26 pm

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Now if only the American government could agree present anti-discrimination laws should extend to LGBT persons.


But that won't happen because Jesus.

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Postby Quaeg » Tue May 28, 2019 1:27 pm

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Now if only the American government could agree present anti-discrimination laws should extend to LGBT persons.


But that won't happen because Jesus.

Exactly, because as all good evangelicals know, Jesus was a huge advocate of judging people and never hung around with sinners. We was also a right wing capitalist, obviously.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue May 28, 2019 1:28 pm

Quaeg wrote:
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But that won't happen because Jesus.

Exactly, because as all good evangelicals know, Jesus was a huge advocate of judging people and never hung around with sinners. We was also a right wing capitalist, obviously.

And God rewards you with cash for giving away your life savings to the pastor so he can buy another sports car or jet.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 28, 2019 1:29 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
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I'm sure you can explain why the invasion of a sovereign country for deciding what constitutes a hate crime is a just act.


The defense of traditional social values is always just in of itself.

Counterpoint: "traditional social values" as framed by contemporary reactionaries are fake and boring virtue signalling for the unimaginative.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 28, 2019 1:31 pm

No reason it should be handled differently but if it includes the hate speech provisions of the race laws then I'm against it because I'm against them.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue May 28, 2019 1:32 pm

Des-Bal wrote:No reason it should be handled differently but if it includes the hate speech provisions of the race laws then I'm against it because I'm against them.

Inciting actual hate crimes is freeze peach?
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Postby The Greater Ohio Valley » Tue May 28, 2019 1:33 pm

Totally Not OEP wrote:
Necroghastia wrote:
I'm sure you can explain why the invasion of a sovereign country for deciding what constitutes a hate crime is a just act.


The defense of traditional social values is always just in of itself.

Traditional values aren’t worth defending since they’ve become increasingly irrelevant since the Enlightenment and rightly so.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 28, 2019 1:35 pm

Gormwood wrote:Inciting actual hate crimes is freeze peach?

Inciting crime isn't rolled in under free speech, that's why there's no need for laws specifically about racial speech. If it's okay it's okay if it's not it's not.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue May 28, 2019 1:35 pm

The Greater Ohio Valley wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
The defense of traditional social values is always just in of itself.

Traditional values aren’t worth defending since they’ve become increasingly irrelevant since the Enlightenment and rightly so.

Minorities and/or women In Their Place were traditional values too but some people find nothing wrong with that at all.
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Postby Nakena » Tue May 28, 2019 1:36 pm

Liriena wrote:
Totally Not OEP wrote:
The defense of traditional social values is always just in of itself.

Counterpoint: "traditional social values" as framed by contemporary reactionaries are fake and boring virtue signalling for the unimaginative.


It's mostly just a return to an imaginary terribad version of the 1950s ala Pleasentville really, in most cases.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 28, 2019 1:42 pm

Nakena wrote:
Liriena wrote:Counterpoint: "traditional social values" as framed by contemporary reactionaries are fake and boring virtue signalling for the unimaginative.


It's mostly just a return to an imaginary terribad version of the 1950s ala Pleasentville really, in most cases.

Mostly... but then you also have the anti-modernists who yearn for either the "100% masc and straight" paradise of ancient Greece or fantasize about becoming medieval lords.

At least Tolkien's anti-modernism was this cozy, harmless "I wanna smoke weed and grow some pumpkins with the fam" thing.
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Postby Nakena » Tue May 28, 2019 1:44 pm

Liriena wrote:
Nakena wrote:
It's mostly just a return to an imaginary terribad version of the 1950s ala Pleasentville really, in most cases.

Mostly... but then you also have the anti-modernists who yearn for either the "100% masc and straight" paradise of ancient Greece or fantasize about becoming medieval lords.

At least Tolkien's anti-modernism was this cozy, harmless "I wanna smoke weed and grow some pumpkins with the fam" thing.


Ancient Greece isn't bad however. Which wasn't exactly straight though... :^)
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue May 28, 2019 1:44 pm

Making a person's thoughts a crime.

Sheesh. How shitty.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 28, 2019 1:46 pm

Nakena wrote:
Liriena wrote:Mostly... but then you also have the anti-modernists who yearn for either the "100% masc and straight" paradise of ancient Greece or fantasize about becoming medieval lords.

At least Tolkien's anti-modernism was this cozy, harmless "I wanna smoke weed and grow some pumpkins with the fam" thing.


Nothing wrong with Ancient Greece however. Which wasn't exactly straight though... :^)

Oh, I definitely get the, ahem, masculine appeal of ancient Greece... although it'd suck to go back to that society only to end up a slave or something. :P
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue May 28, 2019 1:47 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:Making a person's thoughts a crime.

Sheesh. How shitty.


And another one who didn't bother to actually read the OP, I see.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 28, 2019 1:47 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:Making a person's thoughts a crime.

Sheesh. How shitty.

That is precisely not what this ruling is about.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 28, 2019 1:48 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Making a person's thoughts a crime.

Sheesh. How shitty.


And another one who didn't bother to actually read the OP, I see.

Proper reading is for fags like me. :^)
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Postby Vassenor » Tue May 28, 2019 1:48 pm

Liriena wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Making a person's thoughts a crime.

Sheesh. How shitty.

That is precisely not what this ruling is about.


Wait you expect people to actually read the OP before firing up the Outrage Jets?
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue May 28, 2019 1:48 pm

Liriena wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:Making a person's thoughts a crime.

Sheesh. How shitty.

That is precisely not what this ruling is about.

How? This seems pretty self-explanatory.
voted to make homophobia and transphobia a crime, like racism, a decision coming amid fears the country's far-right president will roll back LGBT social gains.

Six of the Supreme Federal Tribunal's 11 judges have voted in favour of the measure. The five other judges will vote in a court session on June 5, but the result will not be modified. The measure will take effect after all the justices have voted.

Racism was declared a crime in Brazil in 1989 with prison sentences of up to five years. The court's judges ruled that homophobia should be framed within the racism law until the country's Congress approves legislation specifically dealing with LGBT discrimination.
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Postby Necroghastia » Tue May 28, 2019 1:49 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Liriena wrote:That is precisely not what this ruling is about.

How? This seems pretty self-explanatory.
voted to make homophobia and transphobia a crime, like racism, a decision coming amid fears the country's far-right president will roll back LGBT social gains.

Six of the Supreme Federal Tribunal's 11 judges have voted in favour of the measure. The five other judges will vote in a court session on June 5, but the result will not be modified. The measure will take effect after all the justices have voted.

Racism was declared a crime in Brazil in 1989 with prison sentences of up to five years. The court's judges ruled that homophobia should be framed within the racism law until the country's Congress approves legislation specifically dealing with LGBT discrimination.


Reuters wrote:This would make violence against LGBT+ people a crime and make it illegal to deny access to education or jobs, to refuse service in stores, or to bar LGBT+ people from public buildings.

Reuters
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Tue May 28, 2019 1:52 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
Nova Cyberia wrote:How? This seems pretty self-explanatory.


Reuters wrote:This would make violence against LGBT+ people a crime and make it illegal to deny access to education or jobs, to refuse service in stores, or to bar LGBT+ people from public buildings.

Reuters

Then the article in the OP is pretty shit since it doesn't say any of this.
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Postby Liriena » Tue May 28, 2019 1:52 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:
Liriena wrote:That is precisely not what this ruling is about.

How? This seems pretty self-explanatory.
voted to make homophobia and transphobia a crime, like racism, a decision coming amid fears the country's far-right president will roll back LGBT social gains.

Six of the Supreme Federal Tribunal's 11 judges have voted in favour of the measure. The five other judges will vote in a court session on June 5, but the result will not be modified. The measure will take effect after all the justices have voted.

Racism was declared a crime in Brazil in 1989 with prison sentences of up to five years. The court's judges ruled that homophobia should be framed within the racism law until the country's Congress approves legislation specifically dealing with LGBT discrimination.

I see that you missed this bit:
Reuters wrote:This would make violence against LGBT+ people a crime and make it illegal to deny access to education or jobs, to refuse service in stores, or to bar LGBT+ people from public buildings.

Reuters
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue May 28, 2019 1:52 pm

Necroghastia wrote:
And another one who didn't bother to actually read the OP, I see.


If it's being rolled in under the race laws then "offending the dignity of another person" with homophobic speech may result in 3 years in prison.
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Postby Kannap » Tue May 28, 2019 1:53 pm

Nova Cyberia wrote:Making a person's thoughts a crime.

Sheesh. How shitty.


Except, if you'd read the OP or the articles, you'd know that's not whats happening.
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