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Highest Court in Brazil Rules Homophobia a Crime

Postby Kannap » Mon May 27, 2019 6:16 am

A majority in Brazil's Supreme Court has voted to make homophobia and transphobia a crime, like racism, a decision coming amid fears the country's far-right president will roll back LGBT social gains.

Six of the Supreme Federal Tribunal's 11 judges have voted in favour of the measure. The five other judges will vote in a court session on June 5, but the result will not be modified. The measure will take effect after all the justices have voted.

Racism was declared a crime in Brazil in 1989 with prison sentences of up to five years. The court's judges ruled that homophobia should be framed within the racism law until the country's Congress approves legislation specifically dealing with LGBT discrimination.

Brazil's Senate is dealing with a bill to criminalise discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender with sentences of up to five years.

"Racism is a crime against flesh and blood, whether it is a member of the LGBT community, a Jew or an Afro-descendant," justice Luiz Fux said Thursday.

The court's judges said the ruling was to address an omission that had left the LGBT community legally unprotected.

While same-sex marriage is legal in Brazil, it is still a dangerous country for members of the LGBT community and has a large evangelical movement often critical of gay rights. According to the rights group the Grupo Gay da Bahia, 420 LGBT people were killed across Brazil in 2018, while at least 141 have been killed so far this year.

President Jair Bolsonaro, a former army captain who assumed office on January 1, has a history of offensive comments about gay people, black individuals, women and other minorities, openly acknowledging he is a homophobe. He has said he would rather have a dead son than a gay son.

The ruling "comes at a very good moment, when we have a head of state who is LGBT-phobic," said Bruna Benevides, president of the Niteroi Diversity group. "The Supreme Court assumed the responsibility to protect us."

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Reuters wrote:This would make violence against LGBT+ people a crime and make it illegal to deny access to education or jobs, to refuse service in stores, or to bar LGBT+ people from public buildings.

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So the Supreme Court of Brazil has determined homophobia, just like racism, is a crime in their nation. What do you think NSG?

Personally, I love that the court has acted to extend equal protections to all citizens. As mentioned by some in the articles, the legislative body is moving to make homophobia illegal and that is a great thing too, but that route has the potential to very likely be vetoed by their very homophobic President, so it's great that the court has made the decision that the legislature is clearly also willing to make.

I am happy for Brazilian LGBT people now, and still weep for the harsh lives they have to live in their homeland, but I hope that this is a step in the right direction for them.
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Arresting people for expressing basic human emotions.

What will they think of next?
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Postby North German Realm » Mon May 27, 2019 6:21 am

Well, its certainly a step in the right direction, even if I'm not sure to what extent homophobia is a crime. What, is it explicit use of homophobic material on a public platform and discrimination in hiring or giving service that's a crime or just... you know, hating gays in general?
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Postby Ghost Land » Mon May 27, 2019 6:24 am

Racism and homophobia, while wrong, shouldn't be made crimes in and of themselves; that's censorship of an opinion. Besides, what would this mean for their current president? Does he just get fired now? Hate crimes should be recognised as such and punished accordingly, but there's no point behind outlawing a mindset. It's an undeserved restriction on people's freedom of speech and thought, but then again, the world seems to be moving away from the idea of those freedoms, so this isn't too surprising, really.
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Postby Kannap » Mon May 27, 2019 6:24 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Arresting people for expressing basic human emotions.

What will they think of next?


You say this like this is a new innovative idea, they made racism illegal in 1989
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Postby Liriena » Mon May 27, 2019 6:24 am

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Good on those judgy bois, shitting all over Bolsonaro's cornflakes and proteccing my LGBT+ comrades on the other side of the rivers. :3
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Ghost Land wrote:Besides, what would this mean for their current president? Does he just get fired now?

One can dream, I suppose.
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Kannap wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:Arresting people for expressing basic human emotions.

What will they think of next?


You say this like this is a new innovative idea, they made racism illegal in 1989


Doesn't change the fact that holding stupid opinions shouldn't be illegal.
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Postby Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich » Mon May 27, 2019 6:27 am

This is a horribly unfortunate event, I hope their Nation will recover soon and find some sense.

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Liriena wrote:
Ghost Land wrote:Besides, what would this mean for their current president? Does he just get fired now?

One can dream, I suppose.

I wonder if they can bait him into acting homophobic anytime soon, tbh. Or does he get immunity or something?
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North German Realm wrote:
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One can dream, I suppose.

I wonder if they can bait him into acting homophobic anytime soon, tbh. Or does he get immunity or something?

No need to bait him. The guy and his cabinet just loooooove hurling anti-LGBT+ nonsense in public.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 27, 2019 6:32 am

Won't somebody please think of the homophobes?
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Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich wrote:This is a horribly unfortunate event, I hope their Nation will recover soon and find some sense.


Remember, hatred not being socially acceptable is a bad thing. Apparently.
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Postby Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich » Mon May 27, 2019 6:36 am

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Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich wrote:This is a horribly unfortunate event, I hope their Nation will recover soon and find some sense.


Remember, hatred not being socially acceptable is a bad thing. Apparently.


No, the human right to having different opinions being made a crime is a bad thing.

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Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Remember, hatred not being socially acceptable is a bad thing. Apparently.


No, the human right to having different opinions being made a crime is a bad thing.


^

You don't fight hate, fear, and ignorance with censorship and suppression. That's called 'tyranny'.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon May 27, 2019 6:39 am

Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Remember, hatred not being socially acceptable is a bad thing. Apparently.


No, the human right to having different opinions being made a crime is a bad thing.


Saying"gays are icky" is not a crime. Beating people up because they are gay is. Inciting people to beat gays up is as well.
This is not a bad thing.
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The Alma Mater wrote:
Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich wrote:
No, the human right to having different opinions being made a crime is a bad thing.


Saying"gays are icky" is not a crime. Beating people up because they are gay is. Inciting people to beat gays up is as well.
This is not a bad thing.


Homophobia is the hatred or fear of homosexuals; nowhere in the OP does it expressly state that what you described above is the case.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 27, 2019 6:41 am

Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Remember, hatred not being socially acceptable is a bad thing. Apparently.


No, the human right to having different opinions being made a crime is a bad thing.

I don't think they've made it a crime to have bad opinions.
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Postby Ghost Land » Mon May 27, 2019 6:43 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich wrote:
No, the human right to having different opinions being made a crime is a bad thing.


^

You don't fight hate, fear, and ignorance with censorship and suppression. That's called 'tyranny'.

This exactly. Plus, in general making something a crime isn't going to make it go away, either. Look what's happened with various illegal drugs in the United States, and with guns in a great deal of countries where guns are banned, or many other examples of this. Outlawing a particular opinion or mindset is one of the first tactics used by many an authoritarian or tyrannical regime.

Besides, how is this even going to be enforced? Are they going to implant chips in everyone's head that translate thoughts into coherent words, then transmit said thoughts to the government? If so, blatant invasion of privacy; if not, unenforceable.
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Postby Israeli Defense Force » Mon May 27, 2019 6:45 am

Kannap wrote:Personally, I love that the court has acted to extend equal protections to all citizens.

Was it legal to attack Homo-people before in Brazil? :blink:

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Postby Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich » Mon May 27, 2019 6:45 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Restoration of Eastern Kaiserreich wrote:
No, the human right to having different opinions being made a crime is a bad thing.


Saying"gays are icky" is not a crime. Beating people up because they are gay is. Inciting people to beat gays up is as well.
This is not a bad thing.


Well then maybe they should try enforcing their laws better and get their sh1t together, after all i'm pretty sure assault and murder is illegal in Brazil. No need to make a whole homophobia is illegal law considering saying "gays are icky" can count as homophobia as well.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Mon May 27, 2019 6:45 am

Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Saying"gays are icky" is not a crime. Beating people up because they are gay is. Inciting people to beat gays up is as well.
This is not a bad thing.


Homophobia is the hatred or fear of homosexuals; nowhere in the OP does it expressly state that what you described above is the case.


It states homophobia is treated the same as racism. So one is not allowed to tell gays to sit in the back of the bus, not allowed to put up "straights only" signs, not allowed to put burning rainbowsigns in their yards,and not allowed to beat them up because of their sexual preference.

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Postby North German Realm » Mon May 27, 2019 6:46 am

Ghost Land wrote:This exactly. Plus, in general making something a crime isn't going to make it go away, either. Look what's happened with various illegal drugs in the United States, and with guns in a great deal of countries where guns are banned, or many other examples of this. Outlawing a particular opinion or mindset is one of the first tactics used by many an authoritarian or tyrannical regime.

Besides, how is this even going to be enforced? Are they going to implant chips in everyone's head that translate thoughts into coherent words, then transmit said thoughts to the government? If so, blatant invasion of privacy; if not, unenforceable.

Ignoring the ridiculous comparison, the law can be enforced literally the same way any other law is. If cops notice you making homophobic comments or discriminate based on sexuality, they arrest you. If you discriminate against someone based on sexuality or make homophobic comments against them, they take you to court for it.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon May 27, 2019 6:47 am

Ghost Land wrote:
Trollzyn the Infinite wrote:
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You don't fight hate, fear, and ignorance with censorship and suppression. That's called 'tyranny'.

This exactly. Plus, in general making something a crime isn't going to make it go away, either. Look what's happened with various illegal drugs in the United States, and with guns in a great deal of countries where guns are banned, or many other examples of this. Outlawing a particular opinion or mindset is one of the first tactics used by many an authoritarian or tyrannical regime.

Besides, how is this even going to be enforced? Are they going to implant chips in everyone's head that translate thoughts into coherent words, then transmit said thoughts to the government? If so, blatant invasion of privacy; if not, unenforceable.

They've had this law for thirty years.
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Postby Ghost Land » Mon May 27, 2019 6:49 am

Ifreann wrote:
Ghost Land wrote:This exactly. Plus, in general making something a crime isn't going to make it go away, either. Look what's happened with various illegal drugs in the United States, and with guns in a great deal of countries where guns are banned, or many other examples of this. Outlawing a particular opinion or mindset is one of the first tactics used by many an authoritarian or tyrannical regime.

Besides, how is this even going to be enforced? Are they going to implant chips in everyone's head that translate thoughts into coherent words, then transmit said thoughts to the government? If so, blatant invasion of privacy; if not, unenforceable.

They've had this law for thirty years.

They've had the racism law since 1989; if the homophobia law had also been around since 1989, we wouldn't be discussing it as a news item now.
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