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Postby CHUCK NORRlS » Sun May 26, 2019 10:43 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Kowani wrote:A robot can do all of those jobs, and cheaper than a person can. Heck, the only ones that we’d still need people for today would be the repairmen for really complex jobs, ‘cause delicate servos are expensive, and perhaps the admen/salesmen while we get past the uncanny valley.

And at that point why should humans exist if robots are designing, manufacturing, engineering, and repairing themselves?

Probably for the same reason (or lack thereof) why the human race has existed for more than 200,000 years?
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Postby The Brytish Isles » Sun May 26, 2019 10:44 am

CHUCK NORRlS wrote:
The Brytish Isles wrote:$1000 in Pound Sterling (my country’s currency) is £786.60. Just a note.

Well, I would save 40% of that money (£314.64) in my ISA / savings account. I’ll just leave that there to grow and use it later in the future to either pay off debts or for my pension. I’ll use 20% (£157.32) for essentials and reworking my lifestyle (new clothes, supplying whole foods, etc) whilst the other 20% would go to political movements or charities that I like/approve of.

So, pretty standard. But if I were to get £1,000 every month, I would do the same albeit more money going to charity.

Interesting. My own focus is on paying any debts off and making a bit more investments for the near future.


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 26, 2019 10:44 am

Kowani wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:And at that point why should humans exist if robots are designing, manufacturing, engineering, and repairing themselves?
Thermodolia wrote:You do realize that by replacing designers, engineers, and repairmen you’ve effectively reduced the need for humanity to exist

We have lives beyond work, no?


Yes, but society as it currently exists is not ready for large scale automation.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun May 26, 2019 10:47 am

CHUCK NORRlS wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:And at that point why should humans exist if robots are designing, manufacturing, engineering, and repairing themselves?

Probably for the same reason (or lack thereof) why the human race has existed for more than 200,000 years?

What I’m saying is that if the robots are smart enough to repair themselves, engineer, and design themselves and manufacture themselves without human input than there is no real reason for the robots to continue service to humans. And therefore there’s no reason why robots won’t remove humans from government and all other parts of life.

Human artists would be the next to go as robots would at that point be able to make art just as good/even better than humans
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun May 26, 2019 10:48 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kowani wrote:We have lives beyond work, no?


Yes, but society as it currently exists is not ready for large scale automation.

Not to mention that if robots can do everything then there isn’t a reason to keep serving humans
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 26, 2019 10:48 am

Petrolheadia wrote:
Kowani wrote:How?

A robot can do all of those jobs, and cheaper than a person can. Heck, the only ones that we’d still need people for today would be the repairmen for really complex jobs, ‘cause delicate servos are expensive, and perhaps the admen/salesmen while we get past the uncanny valley.

How can a robot do all that? Any source on that?[/quote]
As for design: Once humans have done the groundwork (which is currently being done), repetition is easy. My apologies, I don’t have a source of a robot doing it as of right now, but the actual principle is easy.

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Postby CHUCK NORRlS » Sun May 26, 2019 10:49 am

Kowani wrote:As for design: Once humans have done the groundwork (which is currently being done), repetition is easy. My apologies, I don’t have a source of a robot doing it as of right now, but the actual principle is easy.

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And there's other delivery robots on the run. I won't be surprised if these robots start displacing people from current jobs.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 26, 2019 10:50 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kowani wrote:We have lives beyond work, no?


Yes, but society as it currently exists is not ready for large scale automation.

Gee, it sounds like technology is advancing faster than society. Again.

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yes, but society as it currently exists is not ready for large scale automation.

Not to mention that if robots can do everything then there isn’t a reason to keep serving humans

Besides programming, sure.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 26, 2019 10:53 am

Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yes, but society as it currently exists is not ready for large scale automation.

Gee, it sounds like technology is advancing faster than society. Again.


In a way never seen before. When we settled down into farming the former hunters and other tribe members had new occupations. When the industrial age began we could move into the factory lines. But with truly mass scale automation? You're worthless. Mostly everyone is, and most of the wealth created by that system isn't going to flow into your hands, it's going to flow into Amazon, Walmart, McDonalds etc etc. Without serious societal revamping beforehand automation would be a disaster that would lead to vast amounts of unrest.
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Postby Living Corporations » Sun May 26, 2019 10:54 am

Save it up for emergencies. Not worry as much about my dental insurance rejecting that procedure I had in January. Or, dare I dream, save up for a house one day. At my current rate I'll be living in a single-room rental forever.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun May 26, 2019 10:55 am

Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Yes, but society as it currently exists is not ready for large scale automation.

Gee, it sounds like technology is advancing faster than society. Again.

Which just means that a revolution grows more and more Inevitable

Thermodolia wrote:Not to mention that if robots can do everything then there isn’t a reason to keep serving humans

Besides programming, sure.

If robots can design themselves than they can program themselves easily. In fact programming is part of the design process. Congratulations on eliminating the human race
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 26, 2019 10:57 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kowani wrote:Gee, it sounds like technology is advancing faster than society. Again.


In a way never seen before. When we settled down into farming the former hunters and other tribe members had new occupations. When the industrial age began we could move into the factory lines. But with truly mass scale automation? You're worthless. Mostly everyone is, and most of the wealth created by that system isn't going to flow into your hands, it's going to flow into Amazon, Walmart, McDonalds etc etc. Without serious societal revamping beforehand automation would be a disaster that would lead to vast amounts of unrest.

Capitalism is an Ouroboros, it has wrought its own death. And thus, the solution is either a UBI, or a post capitalist society. Destroying robots doesn’t do much, for all you do is push back the clock. And with the large amount of unemployed people, the push to radically change society is there.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 26, 2019 10:57 am

Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
In a way never seen before. When we settled down into farming the former hunters and other tribe members had new occupations. When the industrial age began we could move into the factory lines. But with truly mass scale automation? You're worthless. Mostly everyone is, and most of the wealth created by that system isn't going to flow into your hands, it's going to flow into Amazon, Walmart, McDonalds etc etc. Without serious societal revamping beforehand automation would be a disaster that would lead to vast amounts of unrest.

Capitalism is an Ouroboros, it has wrought its own death. And thus, the solution is either a UBI, or a post capitalist society. Destroying robots doesn’t do much, for all you do is push back the clock. And with the large amount of unemployed people, the push to radically change society is there.


Yeah, that push to radically change society would likely only come after millions of deaths at that point.
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Postby Thermodolia » Sun May 26, 2019 10:59 am

Kowani wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
In a way never seen before. When we settled down into farming the former hunters and other tribe members had new occupations. When the industrial age began we could move into the factory lines. But with truly mass scale automation? You're worthless. Mostly everyone is, and most of the wealth created by that system isn't going to flow into your hands, it's going to flow into Amazon, Walmart, McDonalds etc etc. Without serious societal revamping beforehand automation would be a disaster that would lead to vast amounts of unrest.

Capitalism is an Ouroboros, it has wrought its own death. And thus, the solution is either a UBI, or a post capitalist society. Destroying robots doesn’t do much, for all you do is push back the clock. And with the large amount of unemployed people, the push to radically change society is there.

The capitalist system isn’t going to go away like the night. It’s going to fight to the death. And the way automation is being currently pushed the capitalists are going to be on top.

You are only helping them win
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 26, 2019 11:01 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Gee, it sounds like technology is advancing faster than society. Again.

Which just means that a revolution grows more and more Inevitable
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Thermodolia wrote:
Besides programming, sure.

If robots can design themselves than they can program themselves easily. In fact programming is part of the design process. Congratulations on eliminating the human race

Nah. The very first ones would have to be programmed by people, and from there on, the code is replicated to prevent mass warfare.

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Kowani wrote:Capitalism is an Ouroboros, it has wrought its own death. And thus, the solution is either a UBI, or a post capitalist society. Destroying robots doesn’t do much, for all you do is push back the clock. And with the large amount of unemployed people, the push to radically change society is there.


Yeah, that push to radically change society would likely only come after millions of deaths at that point.

And none other has?
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Postby Chestaan » Sun May 26, 2019 11:01 am

The Republic of Fore wrote:Probably just end up pay a higher price for rent and such. Once "free" government money is injected prices tend to start rising. Look at what happened with college tuition. Assuming that didn't happen though, probably just give it to charity.


Taxation would almost certainly rise to allow for the basic income policy countering any inflationary effects.

Anyway, I'd buy lots of archery gear, give some to my parents and buy games and stuff. Maybe invest some.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Sun May 26, 2019 11:03 am

Kowani wrote:And none other has?


I'd argue this would be far worse given the growing technology behind autonomous weaponry and the fact that largely no civil body nowadays outside the US is stocked for prolonged warfare.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 26, 2019 11:03 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Kowani wrote:Capitalism is an Ouroboros, it has wrought its own death. And thus, the solution is either a UBI, or a post capitalist society. Destroying robots doesn’t do much, for all you do is push back the clock. And with the large amount of unemployed people, the push to radically change society is there.

The capitalist system isn’t going to go away like the night. It’s going to fight to the death. And the way automation is being currently pushed the capitalists are going to be on top.

You are only helping them win

Capitalism cannot survive if the people are too impoverished to buy products. And yet the going back to preautomation is unfeasible. As such, the solution is to move beyond it.
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Postby OP Robloxia » Sun May 26, 2019 11:05 am

I would spend it all on fidget spinners.

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Postby Kannap » Sun May 26, 2019 11:05 am

I'd use it to rent the apartment next door to my apartment to utilize that neighboring apartment as my personal library for all my books.
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Postby Jebslund » Sun May 26, 2019 11:06 am

Live debt-free, get a proper gaming computer, donate more to charity, maybe finally get a car.
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Postby Kowani » Sun May 26, 2019 11:06 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Kowani wrote:And none other has?


I'd argue this would be far worse given the growing technology behind autonomous weaponry and the fact that largely no civil body nowadays outside the US is stocked for prolonged warfare.

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Sun May 26, 2019 11:09 am

Thermodolia wrote:
Kowani wrote:A robot can do all of those jobs, and cheaper than a person can. Heck, the only ones that we’d still need people for today would be the repairmen for really complex jobs, ‘cause delicate servos are expensive, and perhaps the admen/salesmen while we get past the uncanny valley.

And at that point why should humans exist if robots are designing, manufacturing, engineering, and repairing themselves?


Why should humans exist in the first place? :p
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Postby The Chuck » Sun May 26, 2019 11:10 am

Split the 1,000. Put 500 into investing and put the other 500 into obtaining firearms. Work on building my dream house.
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Postby Jebslund » Sun May 26, 2019 11:18 am

Kowani wrote:A robot can do all of those jobs, and cheaper than a person can. Heck, the only ones that we’d still need people for today would be the repairmen for really complex jobs, ‘cause delicate servos are expensive, and perhaps the admen/salesmen while we get past the uncanny valley.

A robot can't caption calls. Not to any useful degree of accuracy. That requires the ability to make inferences, and a manner of thinking that allows for gray areas between "=true" and "=false" that computers simply cannot do, and will not be able to do until we fundamentally change the way they work.
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