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Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:

Neanderthaland wrote:Presumably an omnipotent God would know exactly what it would have to do to prove itself indisputably to absolutely everyone.

Invent the babelfish?

*Disappears in a puff of logic*

Neanderthaland wrote:

Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners wrote:
Invent the babelfish?

*Disappears in a puff of logic*

And now I can never cross a street ever again. Well played, God.

Nothing, because I already believe in His existence.

What would God have to do to convince me of It's existence?
(Some of these are a little bit like riddles. I hope somebody gets something out of this mess.)

Response 1:
Nothing. Nothing at all. If God is pure love then it wouldn't make sense for God to prove It's existence. If God felt the need to prove It's existence then God would be operating from a place of ego/pride. The same goes for us. We are made in the image of God and we don't go around waving our arms trying to convince others that we exist, do we?

Response 2:
It doesn't make sense for God to prove that It's limited only to the realm of existence. God neither exists nor doesn't exist. God just is. Period.

Response 3:
God is self-evident. Proof that God exists would be redundant. Every waking moment is absolutely screaming with evidence of the Divine to the point that we're blinded by the evidence. We're so saturated with God's presence that we miss the obvious. God has already done everything It can to prove It's "existence". The real question isn't what God can do, but what can we do to become better listeners?

Response 4:
For me personally, I look for synchronicity, coincidences, luck, blessings, or just a general harmonious flow as I go about my day. God is completely alive and flows through me on those days. Actually, God is always flowing through everyone everyday at all times, but I hope you get my drift.

Response 5:
I don't exist. At least... I don't exist the way I think I do. Therefore, being made in the image of God, I can conclude that God doesn't exist the way I think It does. If God isn't what I think It is, then what can God do to convince me? Hm... This moving target is impossible to hit.

Response 6:
God would not waste time trying to convince us that It exists. We are human and therefore we ourselves are only a small aspect of God. The part cannot contain the whole. This human brain is too limited. Looks like God got Itself in a bind. You can't find it. You can't see it. You can't prove it. What now? Let's say I get sick with a virus. It's like me, a human being, trying to prove to that virus that I exist. Is the virus not me? Am I not the virus? Would I try to convince one of my cells, one of my toes, or one of my organs that I exist? No. My existence is self-evident to me and need not be self-evident to the cell, toe, or organ. The cells, toes, and organs glorify me simply by their existence as part of my body.
God is like this.

Response 7:
It is physically, intellectually, and emotionally impossible for a human being to believe in God. God would not and could not do anything to convince anyone of anything. The part cannot contain the whole.

Response 8:
For proof, try meeting God halfway. We've got some responsibility in this too, you know. Think positive thoughts, pay attention to what you're paying attention to, speak kindly, treat others with respect, if you think there is anything to forgive, then forgive, let go, take time to be alone for a little while everyday, think about your day, visualize yourself as the embodiment of love and freedom, clean something, organize something.
Do these things for a day. Do these things for a week. Do these things for a month. And just watch and see what kind of life you can have for yourself. This is not the path to gumdrops, lollipops, and rainbows. This is the path of the warrior.

Response 9:
One minute I'm happy, the next I'm sad. Sometimes I'm excited and sometimes I'm mad. There are days full of wonder and there are days to just curl up and cry. I act this way with this person and that way with that person. And when I'm alone, I'm this way sometimes and that way at other times. When I'm online I'm more confident. When I'm out of the house I'm less. Sometimes I wonder what others think of me. Sometimes I could care less. I can be cruel. I can be funny. I can be serious. I can be hurt. Sometimes I inspire others. Other times others inspire me. I am loving, prideful, adventurous, humble, angry, overly sensitive, caring, empathetic, sympathetic, curious, thankful, weird, odd, etc... I am different things to different people at different times. We are all like this. We are like a million different people all rolled into one.
God is like this.

Response 10:
Look in the mirror! When we ask God to convince us that God exists it's like God asking God for validation. It's like me, a total stranger, walking up to you asking you to prove to me that you're not a fake you. What can you do to convince me that you're not an imposter? What can I do to convince you that I'm not an imposter? What can God do to convince us that God exists? Would God really waste time proving to Itself that it exists?
The really important question is: What does it take to convince myself that God exists?
Once you have the answer go ahead and convince yourself. After you're done with that, sit down with an atheist and tell them what you have just convinced yourself of. The atheist is the most loyal servant God has and will ruthlessly destroy every Divine concept.
After your meeting, go back and ask the same question of yourself. "What does it take to convince myself that God exists?"
Once you have an answer and you've sufficiently convinced yourself, go back and see the atheist.
Repeat this process until you run out of things to convince yourself of.
Once you've given up on God, then you'll really be ready to look in the mirror!

God shouldn't have to convince you.
You shouldn't have to convince yourself.
Others shouldn't have to convince you.
Is convincing even necessary?

Response 11:
All of the above. There are no contradictions as God is all-encompassing.

Probably like show up and tell everyone "lol hey I'm actually real", maybe smite some people or turn the Caspian Sea into wine or smthn, fire and brimstone a city somewhere idk

God does not exist. Things just exist as people and how we interact and our environment. We go on in life aging and die. Just like that. It would take a miracle but it would either be easily explained rationally or just doesn't exist .

Do something that undeniably breaks the laws of science.

Logic and arguments were sufficient to convince me that He indeed exists. It was a tedious process of 2 years though. In the end, I found more faults and holes in atheistic naturalism, and none in acknowledging God.

US-SSR wrote:Have my wife conceive and bear a child.

P.S. She has no uterus.

P.P.S. On second thought, at that point that would just be showing off...

P.P.P.S. How do you know God is a He?

The Hebrews used male pronouns for entities that were genderless. It just stuck.

US-SSR wrote:Have my wife conceive and bear a child.

P.S. She has no uterus.

P.P.S. On second thought, at that point that would just be showing off...

P.P.P.S. How do you know God is a He?

God may be unhelpful here, but I'm pretty sure a Xenomorph could get this done.

Reconcile the problem of evil.

Saciu wrote:Do something that undeniably breaks the laws of science.

Yeah, something that is scientifically impossible. Maybe bend the laws of biology, time, geology, and physiology to help out a few of your worshippers survive in a cave for over 300 years.

Maybe split the sea or even the moon.

Maybe send Messengers with messages that contain facts of science that are not known to the people at the time. Maybe also allow these Messengers to perform miracles(by your(God's) permission) to prove that they are legitimate.

Maybe if that happened, I'd believe in a god.

Oh, wait.

Anglomir wrote:Reconcile the problem of evil.
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How about if he is able and willing, but there’s a higher priority?

Galloism wrote:

Anglomir wrote:Reconcile the problem of evil.
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How about if he is able and willing, but there’s a higher priority?

That's usually what I tell ladies when I'm not able or willing.

Neanderthaland wrote:

Galloism wrote:How about if he is able and willing, but there’s a higher priority?

That's usually what I tell ladies when I'm not able.

No one is buying your “but I have to save the Republic” line.

Ard al Islam wrote:

Saciu wrote:Do something that undeniably breaks the laws of science.

Yeah, something that is scientifically impossible. Maybe bend the laws of biology, time, geology, and physiology to help out a few of your worshippers survive in a cave for over 300 years.

Maybe split the sea or even the moon.

Maybe send Messengers with messages that contain facts of science that are not known to the people at the time. Maybe also allow these Messengers to perform miracles(by your(God's) permission) to prove that they are legitimate.

Maybe if that happened, I'd believe in a god.

Oh, wait.

Oh, sure. Like how the Earth existed before stars, and that the sky is a solid surface (41:12), or how the moon emits light (71:16), or how all animals live in communities (6:38), and let's not forget the blood clot (23:14), and this is just the stuff I can think of off the top of my head

Great scientific discoveries have been given to us by your Holy Book.

Consistently and repeatedly perform miracles that violate the laws of physics, and revealing himself to the entire crowd whilst he's at it (preferably to hardcore atheists) and allowing video footage of him to be captured.

Tabor-Zion wrote:

The Brytish Isles wrote:Show up and announce his supposed existence? It’s really that simple.
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He did that 2000 years ago

And he is a god. He can totally do it again if he wanted.

Ard al Islam wrote:

Saciu wrote:Do something that undeniably breaks the laws of science.

Yeah, something that is scientifically impossible. Maybe bend the laws of biology, time, geology, and physiology to help out a few of your worshippers survive in a cave for over 300 years.

Maybe split the sea or even the moon.

Maybe send Messengers with messages that contain facts of science that are not known to the people at the time. Maybe also allow these Messengers to perform miracles(by your(God's) permission) to prove that they are legitimate.

Maybe if that happened, I'd believe in a god.

Oh, wait.

And he could just do those miracles again, maybe a 2000 anniversary of Jesus' sacrifice reenactment or something.

Keep in mind these miracles (if they even occurred) occurred centuries, or even millennia ago, when the only form of evidence would be writing: something that could have been altered by the writer and we'd have no way to check without using sources that would be as reliable as the first one (i.e it would have the same problems).
Whereas nowadays, we have phones and news outlets and all that shit. We also have scientists who can disprove miracles that aren't actually that special.

Senkaku wrote:Probably like show up and tell everyone "lol hey I'm actually real", maybe smite some people or turn the Caspian Sea into wine or smthn, fire and brimstone a city somewhere idk

To be fair, that wouldn't prove he's God. It would prove the existence of the supernatural, but it wouldn't prove that that deity is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent like the Christian God claims to be. He would have to be able to explain the science behind the universe's creation for me to accept that he really was what he claimed to be.

Explain why whales have pelvises.

The thing is that if we're talking about the omni god then it already knows exactly what would convince me so it would be quite a simple task for it.

Anglomir wrote:Reconcile the problem of evil.
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Theologians in NSG have already explained that away so many times.

Korhal IVV wrote:

Anglomir wrote:Reconcile the problem of evil.
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Theologians in NSG have already explained that away so many times.

Not really no.

Galloism wrote:

Anglomir wrote:Reconcile the problem of evil.
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How about if he is able and willing, but there’s a higher priority?

An omnipotent being does not have to prioritise. Check your definitions - if he is omnipotent, and wants it done, it is done. There is no priority list, that would imply that it takes time to work on tasks - which defies the principle of omnipotence.

Genivaria wrote:

Korhal IVV wrote:Theologians in NSG have already explained that away so many times.

Not really no.

Scroll down.

Czechoeuropa wrote:Smite a crowd of sinners.

The only thing that would convince you of God's existence would be Him randomly killing people?

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