What would God have to do to convince YOU of His existence?

[Badb Catha]

which god

Obviously I'd prefer him to just show up one day and prove it

but that's not gunna happen because muh book says so

But even then, he could suck my dick because fuck em, you don't just get away with giving my cat cancer, fucker.

God does not give anyone cancer. Your anger and hatred is misplaced.

[UIJ]

which god

Obviously I'd prefer him to just show up one day and prove it

but that's not gunna happen because muh book says so

But even then, he could suck my dick because fuck em, you don't just get away with giving my cat cancer, fucker.

God does not give anyone cancer. Your anger and hatred is misplaced.

right exactly, because he's not real, thank you

[New Legland]

He'd probably have to pull something major off that could be witnessed by everyone in the world, since that would fix the unreliability of anecdotal evidence and remove any chance of it being mass hysteria or a coincidence. I'd also like an explanation for any scientific inaccuracies and contradictions in his holy text, depending on which god he is.

Fixing the link in the OP would also be nice.

[Palmyrion]

Show to the entirety of humanity. Leave tangible and solid proof on Earth. It's that simple.

[Badb Catha]

God does not give anyone cancer. Your anger and hatred is misplaced.

right exactly, because he's not real, thank you

If you are not going to debate in a mature fashion, why are you here?

[UIJ]

right exactly, because he's not real, thank you

If you are not going to debate in a mature fashion, why are you here?

OP asked a question, I answered it. What is there to debate?

[New Legland]

Your first point is correct. Indeed, early forms of paper were around for them to write down the scripture. But my second point is correct. The Muslims DID indeed introduce paper to the world. The Chinse invented it the best version of it, true, but what did they do with it? They hoarded it. They did not give their secrets of paper-making to Europe. The Chinese kept it for themselves.

The Muslim Empire was so large, it stretched all the way to China. The Chinese and Muslims fought on a few occasions. During these wars, the Muslims discovered the Chinese secret of paper-making. After learning this, they quickly spread the secret throughout their empire and to Europe as well. Muslims loved to acquire and spread knowledge, per God's instructions. That's why they were the forefront of scientific research and similar fields for centuries, while Europe in the Dark Ages severely lacked behind in information. It wasn't until the Renaissance that Europe surpassed the Ottoman Empire as the most knowledgeable society.

So next time you read a book, remember, Muslims made it possible.

No, I'm going to thank the Chinese.

This is like thanking White People for Imperialism when empire building has existed since Egyptian Times. And books existed since the said Ancient Egyptians, they just weren't written on paper, they were written on parchment.

The only thing the Muslim Civilization was good at was taking ideas from the Indians, Chinese, and cultures of the past and spreading it to the world. They were mear vendors and collectors and to thank them for anything is like thanking Walmart for having chips.

Double post

[Hammer Britannia]

If you are not going to debate in a mature fashion, why are you here?

OP asked a question, I answered it. What is there to debate?

On whether or not "Reason X" is a good reason to believe in Yahweh

Personally, I think all of the reasons here besides "taking it on faith" is utter bullshit (and even then, I believe that argument is a bit iffy). After all, all evidence for a higher creator does not point to any particular god being right.

Every message needs a message maker, sure let's say that's correct. How does that prove the god of the Jews/Christians? It doesn't, someone could make an equally valid argument for my Gods, Hinduism, Buddhism, Heathenism, Animism, etc.

[Ard al Islam]

Your first point is correct. Indeed, early forms of paper were around for them to write down the scripture. But my second point is correct. The Muslims DID indeed introduce paper to the world. The Chinse invented it the best version of it, true, but what did they do with it? They hoarded it. They did not give their secrets of paper-making to Europe. The Chinese kept it for themselves.

The Muslim Empire was so large, it stretched all the way to China. The Chinese and Muslims fought on a few occasions. During these wars, the Muslims discovered the Chinese secret of paper-making. After learning this, they quickly spread the secret throughout their empire and to Europe as well. Muslims loved to acquire and spread knowledge, per God's instructions. That's why they were the forefront of scientific research and similar fields for centuries, while Europe in the Dark Ages severely lacked behind in information. It wasn't until the Renaissance that Europe surpassed the Ottoman Empire as the most knowledgeable society.

So next time you read a book, remember, Muslims made it possible.

Thats....not true at all. You're trying to construct some sort of narrative where the Chinese were evil and in no way did paper making spread until the Muslims arrived, which is false. Long before the Muslims paper making was around in Vietnam, India, SE Asia, Japan, Korea, and parts of central Asia. That is hardly them keeping it to themselves. Paper making techniques didnt travel to Europe because they simply were far to distant and not have widespread contact at the time. Paper making did spread to Europe through the Muslims however, because they brought it with them to ther conquests in Iberia which in turn came from their conquests of central Asia.

However, even before that, there was papyrus and other scrollwork found throughout Europe from the Egyptians.

Modern papermaking did come to Europe through Muslim conquest this is true, as it finally brought a stable and significant connection between the two. This narrative however that Chinese are evil and selfish people is simply disingenuous.

Ok, you are wrong. Muslims DID learn the Chinese papermaking technique and spread it across the world.

[UIJ]

OP asked a question, I answered it. What is there to debate?

On whether or not "Reason X" is a good reason to believe in Yahweh

Personally, I think all of the reasons here besides "taking it on faith" is utter bullshit (and even then, I believe that argument is a bit iffy). After all, all evidence for a higher creator does not point to any particular god being right.

Every message needs a message maker, sure let's say that's correct. How does that prove the god of the Jews/Christians? It doesn't, someone could make an equally valid argument for my Gods, Hinduism, Buddhism, Heathenism, Animism, etc.

Again, OP asked a question, I answered it. No one is entitled to a serious debate (let alone a debate in general), as such I have no reason to waste time butting heads with people who are already firm in their beliefs. What is he going to do, cite the bible and faith, while i spew out countless stupid articles? What a waste of time.

[Hammer Britannia]

Thats....not true at all. You're trying to construct some sort of narrative where the Chinese were evil and in no way did paper making spread until the Muslims arrived, which is false. Long before the Muslims paper making was around in Vietnam, India, SE Asia, Japan, Korea, and parts of central Asia. That is hardly them keeping it to themselves. Paper making techniques didnt travel to Europe because they simply were far to distant and not have widespread contact at the time. Paper making did spread to Europe through the Muslims however, because they brought it with them to ther conquests in Iberia which in turn came from their conquests of central Asia.

However, even before that, there was papyrus and other scrollwork found throughout Europe from the Egyptians.

Modern papermaking did come to Europe through Muslim conquest this is true, as it finally brought a stable and significant connection between the two. This narrative however that Chinese are evil and selfish people is simply disingenuous.

Ok, you are wrong. Muslims DID learn the Chinese papermaking technique and spread it across the world.

OK, and?

That doesn't mean the Chinese were hoarders. Or that the Zoroastrians wouldn't have done it through the magic of the Silk Road. Or that I need to thank a bunch of Dog-hating Imperialists for the magic of paper.

[New Legland]

Thats....not true at all. You're trying to construct some sort of narrative where the Chinese were evil and in no way did paper making spread until the Muslims arrived, which is false. Long before the Muslims paper making was around in Vietnam, India, SE Asia, Japan, Korea, and parts of central Asia. That is hardly them keeping it to themselves. Paper making techniques didnt travel to Europe because they simply were far to distant and not have widespread contact at the time. Paper making did spread to Europe through the Muslims however, because they brought it with them to ther conquests in Iberia which in turn came from their conquests of central Asia.

However, even before that, there was papyrus and other scrollwork found throughout Europe from the Egyptians.

Modern papermaking did come to Europe through Muslim conquest this is true, as it finally brought a stable and significant connection between the two. This narrative however that Chinese are evil and selfish people is simply disingenuous.

Ok, you are wrong. Muslims DID learn the Chinese papermaking technique and spread it across the world.

That's... what they said.

[Hammer Britannia]

On whether or not "Reason X" is a good reason to believe in Yahweh

Personally, I think all of the reasons here besides "taking it on faith" is utter bullshit (and even then, I believe that argument is a bit iffy). After all, all evidence for a higher creator does not point to any particular god being right.

Every message needs a message maker, sure let's say that's correct. How does that prove the god of the Jews/Christians? It doesn't, someone could make an equally valid argument for my Gods, Hinduism, Buddhism, Heathenism, Animism, etc.

Again, OP asked a question, I answered it. No one is entitled to a serious debate (let alone a debate in general), as such I have no reason to waste time butting heads with people who are already firm in their beliefs. What is he going to do, cite the bible and faith, while i spew out countless stupid articles? What a waste of time.

This is fair enough. Most Christians/Jews/Muslims point to their holy book as evidence for their Gods and you can't really argue against someone who's using a "Totally True" book. *Shrug*

[Inkopolitia]

I'd have him in front of me in a room full of witnesses. Then, to prove his existence, i'd ask him to make Nintendo release Splatoon 3 (It isn't an actual game yet) using whatever time traveling magic he has

[Highever]

Thats....not true at all. You're trying to construct some sort of narrative where the Chinese were evil and in no way did paper making spread until the Muslims arrived, which is false. Long before the Muslims paper making was around in Vietnam, India, SE Asia, Japan, Korea, and parts of central Asia. That is hardly them keeping it to themselves. Paper making techniques didnt travel to Europe because they simply were far to distant and not have widespread contact at the time. Paper making did spread to Europe through the Muslims however, because they brought it with them to ther conquests in Iberia which in turn came from their conquests of central Asia.

However, even before that, there was papyrus and other scrollwork found throughout Europe from the Egyptians.

Modern papermaking did come to Europe through Muslim conquest this is true, as it finally brought a stable and significant connection between the two. This narrative however that Chinese are evil and selfish people is simply disingenuous.

Ok, you are wrong. Muslims DID learn the Chinese papermaking technique and spread it across the world.

No, they spread it to Europe. It was already prevalent in Asia long before then. Like these are objective truths from what we know in archaeology, I dont know what to tell you.

[Hammer Britannia]

I'd have him in front of me in a room full of witnesses. Then, to prove his existence, i'd ask him to make Nintendo release Splatoon 3 (It isn't an actual game yet) using whatever time traveling magic he has

Picky, eh?

[Hammer Britannia]

Ok, you are wrong. Muslims DID learn the Chinese papermaking technique and spread it across the world.

No, they spread it to Europe. It was already prevalent in Asia long before then.

Then those Europeans spread it to America!

Thanks Christians!

[Ard al Islam]

Ok, you are wrong. Muslims DID learn the Chinese papermaking technique and spread it across the world.

No, they spread it to Europe. It was already prevalent in Asia long before then. Like these are objective truths from what we know in archaeology, I dont know what to tell you.

Well then, you are correct. I had misread your former posts. Indeed, the West was introduced to Chinse papermaking techniques through the Muslms.

[Inkopolitia]

I'd have him in front of me in a room full of witnesses. Then, to prove his existence, i'd ask him to make Nintendo release Splatoon 3 (It isn't an actual game yet) using whatever time traveling magic he has

Picky, eh?

I'm a picky one indeed.

[Highever]

No, they spread it to Europe. It was already prevalent in Asia long before then. Like these are objective truths from what we know in archaeology, I dont know what to tell you.

Well then, you are correct. I had misread your former posts. Indeed, the West was introduced to Chinse papermaking techniques through the Muslms.

Yes, I fully admitted that. That is no secret.

I disagreed with your disingenuous amd exaggerated narrative that no one but evil China knew about paper and refused to spread it until the Muslims came around and that the whole world only got it after this and that the muslims introduced it to the entire world themselves.

[Country of CityTowne]

Finally someone with common sense besides the atheists on this thread who also have common sense!

I mean it might not be proof to you and I but to those beleive it isnt about proof, it's about faith.

I mean faith doesn't do anything, proof allows you to make logical conclusions based off of evidence. Faith allows you to believe things no matter how much proof is against it.

[Hammer Britannia]

I mean it might not be proof to you and I but to those beleive it isnt about proof, it's about faith.

I mean faith doesn't do anything, proof allows you to make logical conclusions based off of evidence. Faith allows you to believe things no matter how much proof is against it.

Well, if you put it like that, you make me sound like a crazy person.

[Highever]

I mean it might not be proof to you and I but to those beleive it isnt about proof, it's about faith.

I mean faith doesn't do anything, proof allows you to make logical conclusions based off of evidence. Faith allows you to believe things no matter how much proof is against it.

Except there is no direct proof against deities. To say such a thing is absurd. There is no conclusive and irrefutable evidence that proves that there are no deities.

[New Legland]

I mean faith doesn't do anything, proof allows you to make logical conclusions based off of evidence. Faith allows you to believe things no matter how much proof is against it.

Except there is no direct proof against deities. To say such a thing is absurd. There is no conclusive and irrefutable evidence that proves that there are no deities.

I don't think that's the point. The point is that evidence is much more effective in justifying a belief than faith is.

[Highever]

Except there is no direct proof against deities. To say such a thing is absurd. There is no conclusive and irrefutable evidence that proves that there are no deities.

I don't think that's the point. The point is that evidence is much more effective in justifying a belief than faith is.

And those that beleive in a diety beleive that there is evidence to prove as such. I'm not going to fault them for that.