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Postby Alvecia » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:07 am

Satuga wrote:Easy, show himself or herself(who the fuck knows) and do something illogical(walk on water, float in the air, create something out of thin air, etc).

How would that prove it was god. Or even a god?

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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:13 am

Satuga wrote:Easy, show himself or herself(who the fuck knows) and do something illogical(walk on water, float in the air, create something out of thin air, etc).

Also I respect everyone's religion, but it always urks me when someone sort of blindly follows a religion without even questioning it. Like I understand believing in a higher power but why is it that you can't question the existence or caring of god?

FYI, I'm on the fence of atheist or theist simply because there isn't currently any proof of a god, however the statistical improbability of our existence is quite alarming. Also I absolutely don't believe in the bible or religious texts as there's no real way of telling if someone simply created the bible or if it truly was made by some god.


Given that a) the insane vastness of the universe+the probably far insaner vastness of the unobservable universe+the possibility of multiverses and b) ancient bacterias evolved and survived in horrific environment, I'd say it's not too improbable.

Evidence would probably needs to be more direct than rhetorical questions/chances ('how could the complex eye be created from coincidences???!!! 11!1!?).

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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:17 am

Alvecia wrote:
Satuga wrote:Easy, show himself or herself(who the fuck knows) and do something illogical(walk on water, float in the air, create something out of thin air, etc).

How would that prove it was god. Or even a god?

See, it's dangerous. There's this belief that before the apocalypse, Dajjal (in Christianity would be Antichrist, cmiiw) would suddenly show himself, God will give him control of ⅓ of the universe, and then he'll come to your city, do a bunch of divine miracles and say "Yo, I'm God, worship me".

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Postby Satuga » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:33 am

Alvecia wrote:
Satuga wrote:Easy, show himself or herself(who the fuck knows) and do something illogical(walk on water, float in the air, create something out of thin air, etc).

How would that prove it was god. Or even a god?


Because only a mythical being or a god could do something illogical that breaks the rules of science.
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Postby Endem » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:34 am

Australian rePublic wrote:
Endem wrote:Okay, so, the God, all powerful in all places at all times? Pretty simple, if he or she can do everything, I would need him or her to create a place on Earth where he or she can do nothing at all

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Postby Satuga » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:38 am

Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:
Satuga wrote:Easy, show himself or herself(who the fuck knows) and do something illogical(walk on water, float in the air, create something out of thin air, etc).

Also I respect everyone's religion, but it always urks me when someone sort of blindly follows a religion without even questioning it. Like I understand believing in a higher power but why is it that you can't question the existence or caring of god?

FYI, I'm on the fence of atheist or theist simply because there isn't currently any proof of a god, however the statistical improbability of our existence is quite alarming. Also I absolutely don't believe in the bible or religious texts as there's no real way of telling if someone simply created the bible or if it truly was made by some god.


Given that a) the insane vastness of the universe+the probably far insaner vastness of the unobservable universe+the possibility of multiverses and b) ancient bacterias evolved and survived in horrific environment, I'd say it's not too improbable.

Evidence would probably needs to be more direct than rhetorical questions/chances ('how could the complex eye be created from coincidences???!!! 11!1!?).


For life itself to be created is an incredibly rare chance, for intelligent life to form is even rarer. Hell for all we know we may be the only planet in our galaxy that has intelligent life on it.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:41 am

Satuga wrote:
Alvecia wrote:How would that prove it was god. Or even a god?


Because only a mythical being or a god could do something illogical that breaks the rules of science.

Right, but how would you know that the person doing those things is the God of Christianity? Maybe they have magic powers without being a figure from any world religion.
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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:44 am

Ifreann wrote:
Satuga wrote:
Because only a mythical being or a god could do something illogical that breaks the rules of science.

Right, but how would you know that the person doing those things is the God of Christianity? Maybe they have magic powers without being a figure from any world religion.

Advanced AI Aliens comes to mind.

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Postby Satuga » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:45 am

Ifreann wrote:
Satuga wrote:
Because only a mythical being or a god could do something illogical that breaks the rules of science.

Right, but how would you know that the person doing those things is the God of Christianity? Maybe they have magic powers without being a figure from any world religion.


You're entirely right, it could be greek god, a Hindu god, or a god literally no one knows about. That's the problem, however at least it would give clarity that a god exists.
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Postby Satuga » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:45 am

Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Right, but how would you know that the person doing those things is the God of Christianity? Maybe they have magic powers without being a figure from any world religion.

Advanced AI Aliens comes to mind.


Even super advanced AI Aliens need to obey the laws of science.
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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:48 am

Satuga wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Right, but how would you know that the person doing those things is the God of Christianity? Maybe they have magic powers without being a figure from any world religion.


You're entirely right, it could be greek god, a Hindu god, or a god literally no one knows about. That's the problem, however at least it would give clarity that a god exists.

One would suggest an omniscient being would know how to clarify what God they are. Or maybe we're just dealing with a secret NWO mind control to control the world.

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:50 am

Satuga wrote:
Alvecia wrote:How would that prove it was god. Or even a god?


Because only a mythical being or a god could do something illogical that breaks the rules of science.

Who’s to say we have the absolute truth of the rules of science? Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
Furthermore, what’s more likely? That the rules of the universe have been broken, or you’re hallucinating? How could you tell the difference between what is real, and what is your warped senses?
Certainly those who take acid don’t immediately start believing in god simply because they saw a pig grow out of the wall and fly out the window only to collide with the Mad Hatter and melt into a bacon sandwich.
Instead they probably think “fuck me, I’m high as shit”.

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Postby Eglaecia » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:53 am

Herzegovenia wrote:If it revealed itself through a “conference call” of sorts to everyone at once, addressing how it indeed isn’t all powerful and/or all good, who it really is, and what the real rules are, that’d be pretty hard to deny, eh?

wait wait wait
so only if he claimed to not be all powerful and all good you would accept his existence??
If God appeared to you and said he was all powerful and all good you'd deny his existence???
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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:55 am

So how about this: God comes to earth on monday, gather reputable scientist and their equipments on Tuesday, create something out of nothing on Wednesday, and instigate the worldwide stoning of adulterers on Thursday.

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:57 am

Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:So how about this: God comes to earth on monday, gather reputable scientist and their equipments on Tuesday, create something out of nothing on Wednesday, and instigate the worldwide stoning of adulterers on Thursday.

I’d stop dropping acid, cause that sounds like a bad trip.

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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:02 am

Alvecia wrote:
Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:So how about this: God comes to earth on monday, gather reputable scientist and their equipments on Tuesday, create something out of nothing on Wednesday, and instigate the worldwide stoning of adulterers on Thursday.

I’d stop dropping acid, cause that sounds like a bad trip.

It'll be quite hard to fool atheist scientists and their AI-run observing equipments (?)

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Postby Alvecia » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:03 am

Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:
Alvecia wrote:I’d stop dropping acid, cause that sounds like a bad trip.

It'll be quite hard to fool atheist scientists and their AI-run observing equipments (?)

It’s actually really easy, which is kind of the problem.

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Postby Spunkland » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:03 am

He would need to appear and give people the answers to all of their questions. I certainly do not believe what is written in the so-called "holy books". Sure, they're holy all right, full of holes and stories which only a child under 5 could believe.
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Postby The Free Joy State » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:05 am

Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:So how about this: God comes to earth on monday, gather reputable scientist and their equipments on Tuesday, create something out of nothing on Wednesday, and instigate the worldwide stoning of adulterers on Thursday.

Possible explanation:
--> Someone came to town claiming to be God on Monday
--> They gathered up the scientists and compelled/coerced/convinced them to work for them on Tuesday
--> On Wednesday, the scientists built some kind of machine that made something appear to appear (conjuring tricks can be cobbled together with equipment, which the scientists have)
--> On Thursday, using the prestige gathered through performing the trick, and with the aid of social media, they convince people to stone adulterers (following examples depicted in various holy books -- because they are "God", as the miracle has shown, and thus must be obeyed)

And it wouldn't convince me that that person was God.
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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:06 am

Spunkland wrote:He would need to appear and give people the answers to all of their questions. I certainly do not believe what is written in the so-called "holy books". Sure, they're holy all right, full of holes and stories which only a child under 5 could believe.

An advanced AI with enough access to world's information can do that. Far better than The Holy Scripture™ (Warning: Confusing & Contradictory)

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Postby Hamstan » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:11 am

Make the sun disappear, have a Category 5 hurricane as big as South Africa appear in the outback that rains bologna sandwiches, make one out of every 50 people have wings, have a plague of flying platypus strike the Midwest, and give me a cooler haircut. Anything is possible at that point.
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Postby Wu Wei Shan » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:12 am

draw a hundred thousand lightyear-long cock and balls out of dark matter with the milky way at the tip

edit: ohhhh the christian god? well, stopping priests from molesting children in churches would do it
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Postby Alvecia » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:14 am

Hamstan wrote:Make the sun disappear, have a Category 5 hurricane as big as South Africa appear in the outback that rains bologna sandwiches, make one out of every 50 people have wings, have a plague of flying platypus strike the Midwest, and give me a cooler haircut. Anything is possible at that point.

Boy do I have some drugs for you.

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Postby Wunderstrafanstalt » Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:14 am

Hamstan wrote:Make the sun disappear, have a Category 5 hurricane as big as South Africa appear in the outback that rains bologna sandwiches, make one out of every 50 people have wings, have a plague of flying platypus strike the Midwest, and give me a cooler haircut. Anything is possible at that point.

Either the people would instead pray to 'God' to get rid of the evil mayhem-causing 'Satan', or the omnipotent omniscient omnibenevolent God would just surrender seeing point 4).

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