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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:24 am

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The one where Xavier/ Picard is Poop :p
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No, you just disproved a benevolent one.
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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:30 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:Man, you atheists are weird. I see some oddly specific responses that just say "Well, so long as specific event X happens, I will believe in a diety". Like, come on: That's not how belief works.

Now, for you to start worshipping said diety after they do event X: that makes more sense. But for you to start believing in a deity after said event is just silly.


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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:35 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:Man, you atheists are weird. I see some oddly specific responses that just say "Well, so long as specific event X happens, I will believe in a diety". Like, come on: That's not how belief works.

Now, for you to start worshipping said diety after they do event X: that makes more sense. But for you to start believing in a deity after said event is just silly.

Why? If you don't think something exists, and then you receive proof that it exists, what's wrong with concluding that it exists?
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Postby Page » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:43 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:Man, you atheists are weird. I see some oddly specific responses that just say "Well, so long as specific event X happens, I will believe in a diety". Like, come on: That's not how belief works.

Now, for you to start worshipping said diety after they do event X: that makes more sense. But for you to start believing in a deity after said event is just silly.


It's silly to only believe if clear evidence is presented?
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Postby San Carlos Islands » Tue Jun 04, 2019 7:49 am

Like any religious topic, it's going to be iffy and unstraightforward discussion.

Personally, as someone raised, and have been a Catholic all my life, I have tried my best garner a strong relationship with the Lord. In return, my belief has progressively been strengthened by seeing my situation get better when that relationship was strong and turn for the worse when that relationship was weak, as well as one time where (I believe) the Lord actually spoke to me.

However, I see how someone not in my boat would disagree with that and may not have this evidence to back the Lord's existence up.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:13 am

Page wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Man, you atheists are weird. I see some oddly specific responses that just say "Well, so long as specific event X happens, I will believe in a diety". Like, come on: That's not how belief works.

Now, for you to start worshipping said diety after they do event X: that makes more sense. But for you to start believing in a deity after said event is just silly.


It's silly to only believe if clear evidence is presented?

No, not really. I was just commenting on the oddly specific ways someone would believe in a god.

Like "Oh, if you give me 500 dollars right now, I will believe in you". To me, that just sounds like if God did anything else they would not believe in them. "Oh, you only gave me 499 dollars? God doesn't exist".
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Postby Free Zanzibar Land » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:15 am

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:59 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Page wrote:
It's silly to only believe if clear evidence is presented?

No, not really. I was just commenting on the oddly specific ways someone would believe in a god.

Like "Oh, if you give me 500 dollars right now, I will believe in you". To me, that just sounds like if God did anything else they would not believe in them. "Oh, you only gave me 499 dollars? God doesn't exist".

Honestly, you could probably just replace the question with “if you had one wish” for many responses.
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Postby The Xenopolis Confederation » Tue Jun 04, 2019 8:59 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Page wrote:
It's silly to only believe if clear evidence is presented?

No, not really. I was just commenting on the oddly specific ways someone would believe in a god.

Like "Oh, if you give me 500 dollars right now, I will believe in you". To me, that just sounds like if God did anything else they would not believe in them. "Oh, you only gave me 499 dollars? God doesn't exist".

I think they're just being coy.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:13 am

Alvecia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:No, not really. I was just commenting on the oddly specific ways someone would believe in a god.

Like "Oh, if you give me 500 dollars right now, I will believe in you". To me, that just sounds like if God did anything else they would not believe in them. "Oh, you only gave me 499 dollars? God doesn't exist".

Honestly, you could probably just replace the question with “if you had one wish” for many responses.
Mine remains “you can’t”

I still don't know what possible evidence could be given that an entity, whatever magical powers it displays, is in fact the deity described in the Bible.
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:16 am

Ifreann wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Honestly, you could probably just replace the question with “if you had one wish” for many responses.
Mine remains “you can’t”

I still don't know what possible evidence could be given that an entity, whatever magical powers it displays, is in fact the deity described in the Bible.

Yeah, like, who says that the guy who gives you 500 dollars is Buddha? Or Vishnu? Or Plutus?

The only real way to believe in a specific god/set of gods, outside of faith, would be for him/her to say "I am the God of the Bible".
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:26 am

Ifreann wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Honestly, you could probably just replace the question with “if you had one wish” for many responses.
Mine remains “you can’t”

I still don't know what possible evidence could be given that an entity, whatever magical powers it displays, is in fact the deity described in the Bible.


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Postby Alvecia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:29 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:I still don't know what possible evidence could be given that an entity, whatever magical powers it displays, is in fact the deity described in the Bible.

Yeah, like, who says that the guy who gives you 500 dollars is Buddha? Or Vishnu? Or Plutus?

The only real way to believe in a specific god/set of gods, outside of faith, would be for him/her to say "I am the God of the Bible".

Even then, they could be lying

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:30 am

Alvecia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Yeah, like, who says that the guy who gives you 500 dollars is Buddha? Or Vishnu? Or Plutus?

The only real way to believe in a specific god/set of gods, outside of faith, would be for him/her to say "I am the God of the Bible".

Even then, they could be lying

Yes, I can see it now: Hermes coming down from the sky and saying "Hey guys, I am Yahweh. Yahweh is the true God. Remember to remove foreskins!"
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:31 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Even then, they could be lying

Yes, I can see it now: Hermes coming down from the sky and saying "Hey guys, I am Yahweh. Yahweh is the true God. Remember to remove foreskins!"

Loki would totally do that ;)
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Postby Endem » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:32 am

Okay, so, the God, all powerful in all places at all times? Pretty simple, if he or she can do everything, I would need him or her to create a place on Earth where he or she can do nothing at all
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Postby The Alma Mater » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:32 am

Endem wrote:Okay, so, the God, all powerful in all places at all times? Pretty simple, if he or she can do everything, I would need him to create a place on Earth where he or she can do nothing at all


Is that not what Hell is supposed to be ? A place completely free of God ?
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Postby Alvecia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:33 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:Even then, they could be lying

Yes, I can see it now: Hermes coming down from the sky and saying "Hey guys, I am Yahweh. Yahweh is the true God. Remember to remove foreskins!"

How would you know it is Hermes disguised as yahweh?

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:33 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Yes, I can see it now: Hermes coming down from the sky and saying "Hey guys, I am Yahweh. Yahweh is the true God. Remember to remove foreskins!"

Loki would totally do that ;)

Hell, I would do that

Not saying I am a god. Though I totally am.
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Postby Endem » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:34 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Endem wrote:Okay, so, the God, all powerful in all places at all times? Pretty simple, if he or she can do everything, I would need him to create a place on Earth where he or she can do nothing at all


Is that not what Hell is supposed to be ? A place completely free of God ?

Yeah, but, we can't really go to Hell and exit it, I was thinking about a place, on this Earth where God cannot do anything and humans can walk in and out at any moment
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Postby Hammer Britannia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:34 am

Alvecia wrote:
Hammer Britannia wrote:Yes, I can see it now: Hermes coming down from the sky and saying "Hey guys, I am Yahweh. Yahweh is the true God. Remember to remove foreskins!"

How would you know it is Hermes disguised as yahweh?

Personal Bias.
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Postby Qon » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:34 am

He would have to show me a sign in the sky, a highly unprobable sign. For me, that happened in the Revelation 12 Prophecy was fulfilled a couple years ago.

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Postby Alvecia » Tue Jun 04, 2019 9:35 am

Hammer Britannia wrote:
Alvecia wrote:How would you know it is Hermes disguised as yahweh?

Personal Bias.

Actually yeah, that checks out

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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:56 pm

The blAAtschApen wrote:Any god could convince me of their existence by abolishing all religion with the snap of her fingers :)

But that would require abolishment of free will. Besides, you have it in the wrong order. First, God would have to convince us of His existance, and then, as a natural consequence, all wrong religions die afterward
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Postby Australian rePublic » Tue Jun 04, 2019 4:58 pm

Mountain Pygmies wrote:To prove if he is god, he would have to self-destruct.

This actually creates a paradox. If he can't destroy himself(God), then he is not all-powerful(He can't destroy himself)and therefore is not god. If he can destroy himself, then he is also not all-powerful(He can be destroyed), which also means he is not God. Either answer means he is not god, at least in the Abrahamic sense.

God's onmipotence isn't truely omnipotent omnipotent, because He cannot He cannot contradict Himself, and He will not interfere with free will. Contradicting oneself is impossible, even for an omnipotent God
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