ICE putting LGBT and disabled immigrants in solitary...

[Necroghastia]

Because letting children die in your care is perfectly legal. No one's ever been charged with criminal neglect at minimum for that sort of thing.

They won't be in our care if we ship them home. And if you're referring to the case I'm thinking of, the father of the child said the kid was fine. Those doctors have limited time, and a lot of people to go through. Can't do a full workup on everyone with a cough.

Those goalposts stay right the fuck where they were. You said "nobody is breaking any law," not "nobody would be breaking laws if we did this instead."

[The Republic of Fore]

Nobody is breaking any law. We're just not letting irrelevant foreign bureaucrats dictate how we run our country. There's nothing stopping migrants from seeking asylum somewhere else.

America's obligation to take in asylum seekers is written into US law.

Laws can be repealed.

[The Republic of Fore]

Nobody is breaking any law. We're just not letting irrelevant foreign bureaucrats dictate how we run our country. There's nothing stopping migrants from seeking asylum somewhere else.

And yet, your relevant domestic bureaucrats agreed to abide by those conditions, so no, it's not really "irrelevant foreign bureaucrats" dictating how you run your country. It's your own bureaucrats deciding to abide by those rules.

Nice try, though.

Then fire those bureaucrats and refuse to take asylum seekers anyway.

[The Republic of Fore]

They won't be in our care if we ship them home. And if you're referring to the case I'm thinking of, the father of the child said the kid was fine. Those doctors have limited time, and a lot of people to go through. Can't do a full workup on everyone with a cough.

Those goalposts stay right the fuck where they were. You said "nobody is breaking any law," not "nobody would be breaking laws if we did this instead."

Now I admit, I'm not a lawyer. But I imagine it would be the idiot who chose to march his child through a desert with minimal access to water, then lied and said they were fine that should be charged with neglect. That tends to have a negative impact on people's health y'know.

[Kowani]

America's obligation to take in asylum seekers is written into US law.

Laws can be repealed.

Sure, just get around the Democratic Party- .
You’d have better luck breaking into Fort Knox with nothing but a toothpick.

[Necroghastia]

America's obligation to take in asylum seekers is written into US law.

Laws can be repealed.

But they haven't been, so until further notice your assertion that "nobody is breaking any law" is utter bullshit.

[The Republic of Fore]

Laws can be repealed.

But they haven't been, so until further notice your assertion that "nobody is breaking any law" is utter bullshit.

Plenty of useless laws haven't been repealed. Doesn't mean they should, or will be enforced.

[Twilight Imperium]

But they haven't been, so until further notice your assertion that "nobody is breaking any law" is utter bullshit.

Plenty of useless laws haven't been repealed. Doesn't mean they should, or will be enforced.

Bruh, it took you a week to come back with "yeah but it's a dumb law so I'm right anyway"?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

And yet, your relevant domestic bureaucrats agreed to abide by those conditions, so no, it's not really "irrelevant foreign bureaucrats" dictating how you run your country. It's your own bureaucrats deciding to abide by those rules.

Nice try, though.

Then fire those bureaucrats and refuse to take asylum seekers anyway.

I'm afraid that it doesn't quite work like that. Laws do not stop being laws just because you don't like them.

[The Emerald Legion]

Then fire those bureaucrats and refuse to take asylum seekers anyway.

I'm afraid that it doesn't quite work like that. Laws do not stop being laws just because you don't like them.

But they do stop being laws when noone enforces them.

[Twilight Imperium]

I'm afraid that it doesn't quite work like that. Laws do not stop being laws just because you don't like them.

But they do stop being laws when noone enforces them.

Sooo.. abolish ICE?

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

"I should break the law if nobody is there to stop me" is a very peculiar argument for someone in your position to make.

But hey, be gay do crimes! It's pride month, after all!

Nobody is breaking any law. We're just not letting irrelevant foreign bureaucrats dictate how we run our country. There's nothing stopping migrants from seeking asylum somewhere else.

Why should anyone go out of their way to detain people who attempt to reach somewhere with better living conditions and opportunities?
It should not matter that they are not citizens; they are humans equally deserving of opportunity. Why is it any different when someone from an area of the USA with similar crime and poverty rates to Central America migrates to another area of the USA? In some rather uncommon instances, a greater distance is travelled, yet it is not considered a crime.

If people truly care about migrants and also want fewer immigrants, then they should support humanitarian aid to the more common countries of origin to increase the living conditions there.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

I'm afraid that it doesn't quite work like that. Laws do not stop being laws just because you don't like them.

But they do stop being laws when noone enforces them.

All we need to do is stop enforcing the border and there won't be any more illegal immigrants.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Nobody is breaking any law. We're just not letting irrelevant foreign bureaucrats dictate how we run our country. There's nothing stopping migrants from seeking asylum somewhere else.

Why should anyone go out of their way to detain people who attempt to reach somewhere with better living conditions and opportunities?
It should not matter that they are not citizens; they are humans equally deserving of opportunity. Why is it any different when someone from an area of the USA with similar crime and poverty rates to Central America migrates to another area of the USA? In some rather uncommon instances, a greater distance is travelled, yet it is not considered a crime.

Basing your argument on the idea that all people deserve rights is doomed to failure, since that's an idea that they do not share.

[Kombinita Socialisma Demokratio]

Why should anyone go out of their way to detain people who attempt to reach somewhere with better living conditions and opportunities?
It should not matter that they are not citizens; they are humans equally deserving of opportunity. Why is it any different when someone from an area of the USA with similar crime and poverty rates to Central America migrates to another area of the USA? In some rather uncommon instances, a greater distance is travelled, yet it is not considered a crime.

Basing your argument on the idea that all people deserve rights is doomed to failure, since that's an idea that they do not share.

They do not share it, but the USA's federal government has an obligation to at least support equal rights because of being signatory to the Declaration of Human Rights, and because of the ideals within both the Constitution of the USA's federal government and the Declaration of Independence of the USA's federal government from the UK.

[The Emerald Legion]

Your inalienable rights do not include "Living within the USA."

Now, if Mexico wants someone to liberate them from their inferior governance then that'd be ok.

[Twilight Imperium]

They do not share it, but the USA's federal government has an obligation to at least support equal rights because of being signatory to the Declaration of Human Rights, and because of the ideals within both the Constitution of the USA's federal government and the Declaration of Independence of the USA's federal government from the UK.

yeah but it's illegal for a US serviceman to fuck a goat, and nobody enforces THAT, so

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Abolish ICE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgWrW4UllLg

[Kowani]

Your inalienable rights do not include "Living within the USA."

Now, if Mexico wants someone to liberate them from their inferior governance then that'd be ok.

Inalienable Rights, I believe, under US doctrine-life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Therefore, if you lived in a country like Mexico, where all 3 of those are constantly under threat, you should have the right to immigrate.

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

Your inalienable rights do not include "Living within the USA."

Now, if Mexico wants someone to liberate them from their inferior governance then that'd be ok.

Actually it is include in US legislation.
And treaties of the US are also law in the US, so long as they do not contradict legislation or the Constitution.

See Refugee Act of 1980
Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952
Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965
Displaced Persons Act of 1948
Refugee Relief Act of 1953

Or are you still going to argue that breaking the law isn't breaking the law when you're the one doing it?

[The World Capitalist Confederation]

Your inalienable rights do not include "Living within the USA."

Now, if Mexico wants someone to liberate them from their inferior governance then that'd be ok.

Inalienable Rights, I believe, under US doctrine-life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Therefore, if you lived in a country like Mexico, where all 3 of those are constantly under threat, you should have the right to immigrate.

How bad do you think Mexico is? You make it sound like North Korea, jeez....

[Kowani]

Inalienable Rights, I believe, under US doctrine-life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Therefore, if you lived in a country like Mexico, where all 3 of those are constantly under threat, you should have the right to immigrate.

How bad do you think Mexico is? You make it sound like North Korea, jeez....

Perhaps that wasn’t the greatest choice of words, but you get the principle.

[Twilight Imperium]

The Act amended the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 by defining a refugee as any person who is outside his or her country of residence or nationality, or without nationality, and is unable or unwilling to return to, and is unable or unwilling to avail himself or herself of the protection of, that country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.

Which of these categories do the immigrants in question fall under?

[Evil Dictators Happyland]

The Act amended the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965 by defining a refugee as any person who is outside his or her country of residence or nationality, or without nationality, and is unable or unwilling to return to, and is unable or unwilling to avail himself or herself of the protection of, that country because of persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.

Which of these categories do the immigrants in question fall under?

They could claim any or all of them. How do you intend to disprove their claims?

[New Lindale]

So, NBC generally is biased, but I still don't what to make of it considering they decided to mention Obama and the threat of human rights he was. I do not deny any of this happening, but I still think there is more to this.