ICE putting LGBT and disabled immigrants in solitary...

[Nakena]

...

This is pretty much Fascism-Lite(Hitler did the same thing but harsher, replace immigrants with citizens and voila), Spartan, and inhumane.

Then again, what can I expect, Trump and ICE(Now that I've heard this including them) are the bottom of the barrel of human decency. As an Autistic Demisexual and strong friend to many LGBT people this offends and affects me/my people I care for greatly. Ok I'm not technically LGBT+ but while I am straight Demisexual is more than normal heterosexuality and like LGBT people, I(and others) am harassed for identifying that way as as an addition(Seriously, it just is meant as a descriptor, who cares if it's common, the harassment does create a legitimate Demisexual community attacked for identifying that way even if it's not really too different, thus causing us to strongly sympathize with the LGBT community, though most of us recognize we're pretty normal, we just use that as a added trait, not as if we're LGBT or edgy, it just helps explain how we fall in love, stop badgering us about it sheesh!), so this hits close to home, as if you stretched it you could justify consider putting us in solitary just like lesbians and homosexuals.

Also again, I'm Autistic too.

This is stupid and Anti-American.
Why?

This isn't Sparta.

THIS! IS! AMERICA!

It isn't fascist, it isn't sparta, it's just douchebaggery.

[Badb Catha]

...

This is pretty much Fascism-Lite(Hitler did the same thing but harsher, replace immigrants with citizens and voila), Spartan, and inhumane.

Then again, what can I expect, Trump and ICE(Now that I've heard this including them) are the bottom of the barrel of human decency. As an Autistic Demisexual and strong friend to many LGBT people this offends and affects me/my people I care for greatly. Ok I'm not technically LGBT+ but while I am straight Demisexual is more than normal heterosexuality and like LGBT people, I(and others) am harassed for identifying that way as as an addition(Seriously, it just is meant as a descriptor, who cares if it's common, the harassment does create a legitimate Demisexual community attacked for identifying that way even if it's not really too different, thus causing us to strongly sympathize with the LGBT community, though most of us recognize we're pretty normal, we just use that as a added trait, not as if we're LGBT or edgy, it just helps explain how we fall in love, stop badgering us about it sheesh!), so this hits close to home, as if you stretched it you could justify consider putting us in solitary just like lesbians and homosexuals.

Also again, I'm Autistic too.

This is stupid and Anti-American.
Why?

This isn't Sparta.

THIS! IS! AMERICA!

Hitler was a National Socialist, not a Fascist; this isn't Fascist.

[Fartsniffage]

In extreme situations its about people wanting to survive. Either as individuals or collective. And sometimes harsh decisions have to be taken.

Possibly. What were the harsh conditions forcing Europeans to spend huge amounts of lucre and lives to cross the ocean?

By contrast, I can easily see the harsh conditions forcing asylum seekers to risk death crossing South and Central America to get here, though.

You do realise that the Mayflower was full of people experiencing religious persecution in the UK? Fleeing unpleasant conditions is kinda how the US started....

[Thyrgga]

I don't need to justify it.

You kinda do, if one is going to maintain the position that a nation state founded by an invasion of foreigners has a right to repel an invasion of foreigners. The implicit claim is that the first invasion is somehow legitimate, but the second is not. On it's face, this discrepancy is already potentially odd, but given the fact that the first invasion was by actual colonial military force, where as the second is by asylum seekers...well, the oddness is through the roof.

So, what is the basis of that legitimacy?

That I want to survive and don't need to justify standing my ground in the context of some worldview that pretends that human history is not just a competition between nations for resources and survival gives me all the legitimacy I need.

[Fartsniffage]

...

This is pretty much Fascism-Lite(Hitler did the same thing but harsher, replace immigrants with citizens and voila), Spartan, and inhumane.

Then again, what can I expect, Trump and ICE(Now that I've heard this including them) are the bottom of the barrel of human decency. As an Autistic Demisexual and strong friend to many LGBT people this offends and affects me/my people I care for greatly. Ok I'm not technically LGBT+ but while I am straight Demisexual is more than normal heterosexuality and like LGBT people, I(and others) am harassed for identifying that way as as an addition(Seriously, it just is meant as a descriptor, who cares if it's common, the harassment does create a legitimate Demisexual community attacked for identifying that way even if it's not really too different, thus causing us to strongly sympathize with the LGBT community, though most of us recognize we're pretty normal, we just use that as a added trait, not as if we're LGBT or edgy, it just helps explain how we fall in love, stop badgering us about it sheesh!), so this hits close to home, as if you stretched it you could justify consider putting us in solitary just like lesbians and homosexuals.

Also again, I'm Autistic too.

This is stupid and Anti-American.
Why?

This isn't Sparta.

THIS! IS! AMERICA!

Hitler was a National Socialist, not a Fascist; this isn't Fascist.

....Jesus Christ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#H ... lian_model

[Mettaton-EX]

Possibly. What were the harsh conditions forcing Europeans to spend huge amounts of lucre and lives to cross the ocean?

By contrast, I can easily see the harsh conditions forcing asylum seekers to risk death crossing South and Central America to get here, though.

A excellent question.

What were the harsh condition that prevent people from staying in countries like Turkey or Greece and instead coming to Germany for example?

Right, because Germany would give them more and better conditions.

And at this point this isnt so much about survival anymore but about getting a better life. Not so horribly unsimilar from what the settlers in the new world wanted.

wow good question. why would somebody not want to stay in a camp that's 5000% over capacity and has no electricity or toilets

[Ifreann]

Possibly. What were the harsh conditions forcing Europeans to spend huge amounts of lucre and lives to cross the ocean?

By contrast, I can easily see the harsh conditions forcing asylum seekers to risk death crossing South and Central America to get here, though.

You do realise that the Mayflower was full of people experiencing religious persecution in the UK? Fleeing unpleasant conditions is kinda how the US started....

Bloody economic migrants.

[Badb Catha]

Hitler was a National Socialist, not a Fascist; this isn't Fascist.

....Jesus Christ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#H ... lian_model

Inspiration is the not the same as adherence.

[Fartsniffage]

....Jesus Christ.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism#H ... lian_model

Inspiration is the not the same as adherence.

Sure thing Nazi.

[Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners]

Possibly. What were the harsh conditions forcing Europeans to spend huge amounts of lucre and lives to cross the ocean?

By contrast, I can easily see the harsh conditions forcing asylum seekers to risk death crossing South and Central America to get here, though.

You do realise that the Mayflower was full of people experiencing religious persecution in the UK? Fleeing unpleasant conditions is kinda how the US started....

This would sort of suggest in favor modern day asylum seekers too, I should think. Which is why I'm confused as to why, according to some, what happened then is normal/excusable/ignorable/American (TM), but what's happening today is an "invasion."

[Mettaton-EX]

Hitler was a National Socialist, not a Fascist; this isn't Fascist.

"those sjw tumblr teens with their thousands of microlabels are so cringey"

"ackschewlly i'm a third-position neo-fascist, not a nazi. get it right. *sniff*"

[Badb Catha]

Inspiration is the not the same as adherence.

Sure thing Nazi.

I am a Fascist, not a National Socialist.

[Fartsniffage]

Sure thing Nazi.

I am a Fascist, not a National Socialist.

What separates you from a Nazi? Be specific.

[Badb Catha]

Hitler was a National Socialist, not a Fascist; this isn't Fascist.

"those sjw tumblr teens with their thousands of microlabels are so cringey"

"ackschewlly i'm a third-position neo-fascist, not a nazi. get it right. *sniff*"

I made no mention of Social Justice Warriors, tumblr, teenagers, or labeling and never have in any of my posts. Where are you getting this from?

National Socialism and Fascism are both Third Positionist; but Fascism and National Socialism are distinct ideologies.

[Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners]

That I want to survive and don't need to justify standing my ground in the context of some worldview that pretends that human history is not just a competition between nations for resources and survival gives me all the legitimacy I need.

Why is your survival more important than that of a political/economic refugee?

[Thyrgga]

That I want to survive and don't need to justify standing my ground in the context of some worldview that pretends that human history is not just a competition between nations for resources and survival gives me all the legitimacy I need.

Why is your survival more important than that of a political/economic refugee?

Because I should worry about myself and my countrymen first and foremost.

[Nakena]

A excellent question.

What were the harsh condition that prevent people from staying in countries like Turkey or Greece and instead coming to Germany for example?

Right, because Germany would give them more and better conditions.

And at this point this isnt so much about survival anymore but about getting a better life. Not so horribly unsimilar from what the settlers in the new world wanted.

wow good question. why would somebody not want to stay in a camp that's 5000% over capacity and has no electricity or toilets

I could also have mentioned Slovenia. No, a lot want specifically to Germany or UK. Even rejecting offers to stay in other countries.

[Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners]

Not so horribly unsimilar from what the settlers in the new world wanted.

But for some reason, a major current in contemporary American politics holds that settlers to the New World were courageous men and women braving multitudinous dangers to seek a better life in a prosperous land and Central and South Americans doing precisely the same are filthy wetback rapists.

It confuses me.

[Fartsniffage]

Why is your survival more important than that of a political/economic refugee?

Because I should worry about myself and my countrymen first and foremost.

Why your countrymen? Family I get but people you don't even know? Why?

[Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners]

Why is your survival more important than that of a political/economic refugee?

Because I should worry about myself and my countrymen first and foremost.

Why?

[Nakena]

Not so horribly unsimilar from what the settlers in the new world wanted.

But for some reason, a major current in contemporary American politics holds that settlers to the New World were courageous men and women braving multitudinous dangers to seek a better life in a prosperous land and Central and South Americans doing precisely the same are filthy wetback rapists.

It confuses me.

I have at no point denied or questioned that it takes some courage or desperation to leave the hellish places in central america, attempting to enter the US in questionable ways in the vain hope to get somehow through.

You assume a bit much there about me too.

Because I should worry about myself and my countrymen first and foremost.

Why?

So you wouldn be concerned too if your fellow kin is getting endangered or even attacked?

Because I should worry about myself and my countrymen first and foremost.

Why your countrymen? Family I get but people you don't even know? Why?

What about the people at the Manchester venue who got blown to pieces?

[Badb Catha]

I am a Fascist, not a National Socialist.

What separates you from a Nazi? Be specific.

The National Socialist believes in a global racial hierarchy in which the Germanic race stands above all as the most genetically and biologically superior of the human races. I do not believe this, therefor I cannot be a National Socialist.

[Autonomous Cleaner Bot Cleaners]

I have at no point denied or questioned that it takes some courage or desperation to leave the hellish places in central america, attempting to enter the US in questionable ways in the vain hope to get somehow through.

You assume a bit much there about me too.

Sorry, had to poke a little because I wasn't actually sure whether or not we're disagreeing on anything. Although I'd question "questionable ways" simply because if harsh conditions at home adequately explain New World Settlers then, they also adequately explain them now.

So you wouldn be concerned too if your fellow kin is getting endangered or even attacked?

This doesn't concern me a single jot, since I'm highly skeptical of the notion that unauthorized entrants threaten me or my "kin" in any meaningful way to begin with.

[Fartsniffage]

What separates you from a Nazi? Be specific.

The National Socialist believes in a global racial hierarchy in which the Germanic race stands above all as the most genetically and biologically superior of the human races. I do not believe this, therefor I cannot be a National Socialist.

Which race do you believe is above all others?

[Ifreann]

But for some reason, a major current in contemporary American politics holds that settlers to the New World were courageous men and women braving multitudinous dangers to seek a better life in a prosperous land and Central and South Americans doing precisely the same are filthy wetback rapists.

It confuses me.

I have at no point denied or questioned that it takes some courage or desperation to leave the hellish places in central america, attempting to enter the US in questionable ways in the vain hope to get somehow through.

You assume a bit much there about me too.

Why?

So you wouldn be concerned too if your fellow kin is getting endangered or even attacked?

All people are my kin, regardless of bureaucratic nonsense like citizenship.