ICE putting LGBT and disabled immigrants in solitary...

[Ifreann]

What you're failing to understand here is that other people being detained doesn't change the purpose of these camps.


I'm sure they have, Russian sounds pretty distinct from English. I asked how many white people you think get stopped in the streets and told to show their papers. Personally I'd bet it's Hispanic looking people who get that treatment most of the time.


But I'm not lying. I'm saying things you don't like.


Free flight anywhere on Earth, courtesy of Uncle Sam. But only if they believe that you live there. And only if you'd actually be safe going back there.


I want people at these hearings to have a lawyer there advocating for them.


Which is to say, those responsible for the legal, government-endorsed torture will get to carry on. The organisation responsible will get to carry on, less a few scapegoats.

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Sorry, who are you?

So you have no evidence whatsoever for your claims that detention is somehow for Hispanics when they are clearly for unauthorized immigrants, of different ethnic origins.
Great. Par for your course though.

I just told you that the purpose of the camps isn't the same as who is detained there.

[Novus America]

So you have no evidence whatsoever for your claims that detention is somehow for Hispanics when they are clearly for unauthorized immigrants, of different ethnic origins.
Great. Par for your course though.

I just told you that the purpose of the camps isn't the same as who is detained there.

You have said that bullshit repeatedly yes. Too bad you have nothing to back it up.

[Ifreann]

And since you don't know me, how can you say that I don't want to abolish ICE because of things like this?

That's right, you can't. You're just talking shit.

Because of your post on page 1 of this very thread.

But if America abolishes ICE, who will torture vulnerable people?

You made it clear where you're coming from from the very beginning.

You don't care about the people ICE abuses. You just want an excuse to abolish it.

We cannot let GITMO have a monopoly on torturing people without even the pretense of due process!

I was doing a funny, but there is a serious point in that the problem is much larger than just ICE.

You can tell how I just want to abolish ICE by how I said that the problem isn't just ICE.

I'm not totally sure, but I rather suspect that to be the case. Do you really think otherwise?

"I'm not totally sure."

Ah, the backpedal. One of the first signs of someone being dishonest.

Personally I'd bet it's Hispanic looking people who get that treatment most of the time.

"backpedal"

Your attempts at mind-reading are underwhelming, to say the least.

Is this what passes for snark these days? Yeesh.

And now you're trying to needle me? Oh noes.

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I just told you that the purpose of the camps isn't the same as who is detained there.

You have said that bullshit repeatedly yes. Too bad you have nothing to back it up.

Uh, the entire Trump presidency? Maybe you've noticed some anti-immigrant rhetoric from the current occupant of the White House? He's mentioned plans to build a wall a couple of times over the last few years.

[Novus America]

Because of your post on page 1 of this very thread.

You made it clear where you're coming from from the very beginning.

You don't care about the people ICE abuses. You just want an excuse to abolish it.

I was doing a funny, but there is a serious point in that the problem is much larger than just ICE.

You can tell how I just want to abolish ICE by how I said that the problem isn't just ICE.

"I'm not totally sure."

Ah, the backpedal. One of the first signs of someone being dishonest.

Personally I'd bet it's Hispanic looking people who get that treatment most of the time.

"backpedal"

Is this what passes for snark these days? Yeesh.

And now you're trying to needle me? Oh noes.

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You have said that bullshit repeatedly yes. Too bad you have nothing to back it up.

Uh, the entire Trump presidency? Maybe you've noticed some anti-immigrant rhetoric from the current occupant of the White House? He's mentioned plans to build a wall a couple of times over the last few years.

Illegal immigrants are not always Hispanic you know.
And detention of illegal immigrants began way before Trump.

Trump says some inflammatory stuff therefore policies started before Trump exist for the purpose of something Trump tweeted. Is Trump a time traveler?

That Trump created the purpose of laws, organizations and policies that date back to the 30s?

[Nova Cyberia]

Because of your post on page 1 of this very thread.

You made it clear where you're coming from from the very beginning.

You don't care about the people ICE abuses. You just want an excuse to abolish it.

I was doing a funny, but there is a serious point in that the problem is much larger than just ICE.

You can tell how I just want to abolish ICE by how I said that the problem isn't just ICE.

I'm sure there are other things you want. Abolishing ICE just happens to be one of them, and you're more than willing to stand on the graves of others to do so.

"I'm not totally sure."

Ah, the backpedal. One of the first signs of someone being dishonest.

Personally I'd bet it's Hispanic looking people who get that treatment most of the time.

"backpedal"

Yes. Do you need me to explain what it means?

Is this what passes for snark these days? Yeesh.

And now you're trying to needle me? Oh noes.

Not really. I'm just having fun.

You have said that bullshit repeatedly yes. Too bad you have nothing to back it up.

Uh, the entire Trump presidency? Maybe you've noticed some anti-immigrant rhetoric from the current occupant of the White House? He's mentioned plans to build a wall a couple of times over the last few years.

The camps help him build the wall? Wow, ingenious.

[Nova Cyberia]

You can tell how I just want to abolish ICE by how I said that the problem isn't just ICE.



"backpedal"


And now you're trying to needle me? Oh noes.

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Uh, the entire Trump presidency? Maybe you've noticed some anti-immigrant rhetoric from the current occupant of the White House? He's mentioned plans to build a wall a couple of times over the last few years.

Illegal immigrants are not always Hispanic you know.
And detention of illegal immigrants began way before Trump.

Trump says some inflammatory stuff therefore policies started before Trump exist for the purpose of something Trump tweeted. Is Trump a time traveler?

That Trump created the purpose of laws, organizations and policies that date back to the 30s?

Yes, Trump is so evil that he literally invented a time machine to go back to the 30s and oppress immigrants in that time period too.

[Ifreann]

You can tell how I just want to abolish ICE by how I said that the problem isn't just ICE.



"backpedal"


And now you're trying to needle me? Oh noes.

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Uh, the entire Trump presidency? Maybe you've noticed some anti-immigrant rhetoric from the current occupant of the White House? He's mentioned plans to build a wall a couple of times over the last few years.

Illegal immigrants are not always Hispanic you know.

Yes, I know. But the President clearly conflates them in his mind. Remember when he was getting mad at a judge ruling on a Trump U case, and explained that the judge would naturally be biased against him, because he's building a wall and the judge has Mexican heritage. Trump clearly thinks of building his wall as something that makes him an enemy of Mexicans. That's how he thinks about his immigration policies. Anti-Mexican.

And detention of illegal immigrants began way before Trump.

I know. And people suffered abuse in those detention facilities as well. But Trump's policies have all these facilities packed to the rafters and new ones being built and private prisons being hired to accommodate all the people he's locking up.

Trump says some inflammatory stuff therefore policies started before Trump exist for the purpose of something Trump tweeted. Is Trump a time traveler?

The policies that Trump enacted didn't exist before Trump, obviously.

[Vassenor]

So we're agreed that ICE needs to be torn down and replaced with an organisation not staffed with assholes?

[Novus America]

Illegal immigrants are not always Hispanic you know.

Yes, I know. But the President clearly conflates them in his mind. Remember when he was getting mad at a judge ruling on a Trump U case, and explained that the judge would naturally be biased against him, because he's building a wall and the judge has Mexican heritage. Trump clearly thinks of building his wall as something that makes him an enemy of Mexicans. That's how he thinks about his immigration policies. Anti-Mexican.

And detention of illegal immigrants began way before Trump.

I know. And people suffered abuse in those detention facilities as well. But Trump's policies have all these facilities packed to the rafters and new ones being built and private prisons being hired to accommodate all the people he's locking up.

Trump says some inflammatory stuff therefore policies started before Trump exist for the purpose of something Trump tweeted. Is Trump a time traveler?

The policies that Trump enacted didn't exist before Trump, obviously.

Trump is just one part of the government. And a very large number of illegal immigrants do come from Mexico.

But again we are talking laws organizations and policies that started way before Trump.
Trump has not drastically changed our policies on this, cannot make laws and does not hire most of the people in the organizations enforcing them.
Detention of illegal immigrants is not a Trump policy.
Therefore your argument is silly.

Also Trump has not that drastically increased immigration detention numbers, and numbers of illegal crossings are at an 11 year high.

So no, this is not just Orange Man bad.

[Nova Cyberia]

So we're agreed that ICE needs to be torn down and replaced with an organisation not staffed with assholes?

[Israeli Commonwealth]

So we're agreed that ICE needs to be torn down and replaced with an organisation not staffed with assholes?

No. ICE has done nothing wrong. What needs to be fixed is how immigrants are admitted to the United States. Meaning, if you do not meet the requirements you are forcibly put back in mexico. Anyone who does not comply is killed on sight

[Vassenor]

So we're agreed that ICE needs to be torn down and replaced with an organisation not staffed with assholes?

Why?

[Israeli Commonwealth]

Why?

Your nationstate doesn't even allow immigration. Your opinion is invalid.

[Novus America]

So we're agreed that ICE needs to be torn down and replaced with an organisation not staffed with assholes?

No we have realized things are complicated and that you have no understanding of how ICE is structured and what it does, again it illegal immigrant detention oversight is just one small part of what it does. Problems in illegal immigrant detention do need to be addressed but that does not make the whole organization and everyone in it evil.

[Highever]

So we're agreed that ICE needs to be torn down and replaced with an organisation not staffed with assholes?

No. ICE has done nothing wrong. What needs to be fixed is how immigrants are admitted to the United States. Meaning, if you do not meet the requirements you are forcibly put back in mexico. Anyone who does not comply is killed on sight

Yeah no, I'm not exactly a person that wishes for a complete opening of the borders and removal of ICE completely, but to say ICE has done nothing wrong is incredibly naive and disingenuous and saying they should start massacres of unarmed people in droves is absurd and revolting.

[Vassenor]

Why?

Your nationstate doesn't even allow immigration. Your opinion is invalid.

NSG is an out-of-character forum. Whatever I may or may not have written as an in-character post years ago has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.

So in other words your argument is the invalid one.

[Vassenor]

So we're agreed that ICE needs to be torn down and replaced with an organisation not staffed with assholes?

No we have realized things are complicated and that you have no understanding of how ICE is structured and what it does, again it illegal immigrant detention oversight is just one small part of what it does. Problems in illegal immigrant detention do need to be addressed but that does not make the whole organization and everyone in it evil.

So shaking down random people on inland busses for their papers is not problematic?

[Nova Cyberia]

Why?

Because enforcing immigration law is still something we need.

[Israeli Commonwealth]

No. ICE has done nothing wrong. What needs to be fixed is how immigrants are admitted to the United States. Meaning, if you do not meet the requirements you are forcibly put back in mexico. Anyone who does not comply is killed on sight

Yeah no, I'm not exactly a person that wishes for a complete opening of the borders and removal of ICE completely, but to say ICE has done nothing wrong is incredibly naive and disingenuous and saying they should start massacres of unarmed people in droves is absurd and revolting.

I am sorry, are you forgetting that they are invading across the border in droves? That make order unachievable? If 100 people are aching up through the border without stopping, threatening the ICE agents, then the Ice agents have permission to fire. With deadly force. I am not ok with the rape in the detention faculties but again if we didn't allow them in in the first place it wouldn't be a problem

[Stiner Repulic]

THATS FLIPPING REDICULESS TRUMP MUST BE IMPEACHED HECK I DONT CARE IF WE COMPLETELY OPEN BORDERS TO EVERY ONE AND WHAT DID GAYS EVER DO?!?!?!?!?!!!

[Israeli Commonwealth]

No we have realized things are complicated and that you have no understanding of how ICE is structured and what it does, again it illegal immigrant detention oversight is just one small part of what it does. Problems in illegal immigrant detention do need to be addressed but that does not make the whole organization and everyone in it evil.

So shaking down random people on inland busses for their papers is not problematic?

No it is not at all. Unless you can pull an American I.D or proof of identification, you should be arrested, and if you are an illegal immigrant, deported.

[Vassenor]

Yeah no, I'm not exactly a person that wishes for a complete opening of the borders and removal of ICE completely, but to say ICE has done nothing wrong is incredibly naive and disingenuous and saying they should start massacres of unarmed people in droves is absurd and revolting.

I am sorry, are you forgetting that they are invading across the border in droves? That make order unachievable? If 100 people are aching up through the border without stopping, threatening the ICE agents, then the Ice agents have permission to fire. With deadly force. I am not ok with the rape in the detention faculties but again if we didn't allow them in in the first place it wouldn't be a problem

ICE is not CBP. Securing the border is literally not in their jurisdiction.

[Israeli Commonwealth]

THATS FLIPPING REDICULESS TRUMP MUST BE IMPEACHED HECK I DONT CARE IF WE COMPLETELY OPEN BORDERS TO EVERY ONE AND WHAT DID GAYS EVER DO?!?!?!?!?!!!

Tell me this is a joke. Someone please tell me this kid is joking.

[Novus America]

No we have realized things are complicated and that you have no understanding of how ICE is structured and what it does, again it illegal immigrant detention oversight is just one small part of what it does. Problems in illegal immigrant detention do need to be addressed but that does not make the whole organization and everyone in it evil.

So shaking down random people on inland busses for their papers is not problematic?

Still not all of ICE. Again you realize ICE does more than immigration right?

And no, asking people on public transportation to have identification is reasonable and common.

[Israeli Commonwealth]

I am sorry, are you forgetting that they are invading across the border in droves? That make order unachievable? If 100 people are aching up through the border without stopping, threatening the ICE agents, then the Ice agents have permission to fire. With deadly force. I am not ok with the rape in the detention faculties but again if we didn't allow them in in the first place it wouldn't be a problem

ICE is not CBP. Securing the border is literally not in their jurisdiction.

Sorry, CBP then. And in that case I doubt ICE has killed dozens of people in mass executions.