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Postby Cappuccina » Thu May 23, 2019 10:52 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:What in the fucking fuck?


If soap is just fat, it isn't so objectionable. Now I don't know first hand, if its good for cleaning purposes or not. If it has a good or bad scent as opposed to the ways soap is usually made. But I do believe that dead bodies can be recycled much more efficiently if the sentimentality is removed. We should see the dead, as a resource or business opportunity. It is wasteful to keep using coffins and its generally a waste of time and resources to hold funerals. The dead are gone, so they definitely aren't going to hear or care about what well wishers do, but many products can be made that people will arguably benefit more from.


No respect for the dead I see. For a "Nazi", you sure have a very capitalist view of humanity.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Thu May 23, 2019 10:55 pm

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Washington Resistance Army wrote:What in the fucking fuck?


If soap is just fat, it isn't so objectionable. Now I don't know first hand, if its good for cleaning purposes or not. If it has a good or bad scent as opposed to the ways soap is usually made. But I do believe that dead bodies can be recycled much more efficiently if the sentimentality is removed. We should see the dead, as a resource or business opportunity. It is wasteful to keep using coffins and its generally a waste of time and resources to hold funerals. The dead are gone, so they definitely aren't going to hear or care about what well wishers do, but many products can be made that people will arguably benefit more from.


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Postby Thermodolia » Fri May 24, 2019 3:17 am

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:This reminds me of what the government of China does, and that is enough for me to oppose it.

This. If this idea goes into effect I’ll go from moderate on the death penalty to strongly against
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Fri May 24, 2019 3:24 am

I saw a documentary on this, The Hands of Orlac.
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Postby Duhon » Fri May 24, 2019 4:02 am

You'll just see an uptick in convictions leading to the death penalty. You'll probably also see the US and other countries resort to the guillotine in order to make maximum use of the organs of the executed. Organ harvesting becomes a veritable industry under this.

Why is this roundabout cannibalism a good idea, again?

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Postby Duhon » Fri May 24, 2019 4:02 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Saiwania wrote:I must admit that I want to try a bar of soap derived from human fat, for science.


What in the fucking fuck?

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Postby The Blaatschapen » Fri May 24, 2019 4:14 am

Heloin wrote:I'm going to skip over the ethical dilemma first and look at how this would actually work. Only 25 inmates were executed in the US in 2018, two of them were electrocuted so there organs are useless. For the other 23 the most useful and needed organs for donation the heart, liver, and kidneys are destroyed by the process of lethal injection, then only about half of them would be suitable for organ donation cutting down the population of executed inmates able to donate organs to about 12, being hopeful.

That and hospitals probably won't take the organs seeing that it's a massive violation of the Hippocratic Oath.


Twelve organ donors. On a country of 327 million people.

An NS news article would probably get more people signed up for organ donorhood than this suggestion.

So in terms of effectiveness, 0. In terms of gruesomeness 100.

Indeed, don't do this.
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Postby Kuominwave » Fri May 24, 2019 10:31 pm

Dead felons don’t need organs.
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Postby Senkaku » Fri May 24, 2019 10:32 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:This reminds me of what the government of China does, and that is enough for me to oppose it.

I don't have a problem with harvesting organs from actual murderers and such-- the issue with China is that they do it with political prisoners (aka innocent people)
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Postby Senkaku » Fri May 24, 2019 10:33 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Saiwania wrote:I must admit that I want to try a bar of soap derived from human fat, for science.


What in the fucking fuck?

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Postby First American Empire » Fri May 24, 2019 10:44 pm

I strongly oppose the death penalty, but if we are executing people anyway we should at least use the organs to save lives. Executing people is a terrible violation of human rights. Executing people and basically throwing their useful organs in the garbage is worse. If I ever get executed somehow, I would want my organs to be donated.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri May 24, 2019 10:45 pm

Saiwania wrote:It really should be considered.

I must admit that I want to try a bar of soap derived from human fat, for science. If there is no risk for prions, certain bones from people can perhaps be used for gelatin. Dead bodies may well be more lucrative for products than we think, if we can get past wanting to bury them. I can understand the need for burning a corpse after a certain point, but not wasting perfectly good land with coffins and graves.

This is suspiciously reminiscent of Nazi death camps.

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Postby Nakena » Sat May 25, 2019 10:18 am

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Saiwania wrote:I must admit that I want to try a bar of soap derived from human fat, for science.


What in the fucking fuck?


tfw you realize how insane the world has gotten and that it wasnt perhaps just a joke or weird dream to begin with...

Saiwania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:What in the fucking fuck?


If soap is just fat, it isn't so objectionable. Now I don't know first hand, if its good for cleaning purposes or not. If it has a good or bad scent as opposed to the ways soap is usually made. But I do believe that dead bodies can be recycled much more efficiently if the sentimentality is removed. We should see the dead, as a resource or business opportunity. It is wasteful to keep using coffins and its generally a waste of time and resources to hold funerals. The dead are gone, so they definitely aren't going to hear or care about what well wishers do, but many products can be made that people will arguably benefit more from.


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Postby Neutraligon » Sat May 25, 2019 11:49 am

Saiwania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:What in the fucking fuck?


If soap is just fat, it isn't so objectionable. Now I don't know first hand, if its good for cleaning purposes or not. If it has a good or bad scent as opposed to the ways soap is usually made. But I do believe that dead bodies can be recycled much more efficiently if the sentimentality is removed. We should see the dead, as a resource or business opportunity. It is wasteful to keep using coffins and its generally a waste of time and resources to hold funerals. The dead are gone, so they definitely aren't going to hear or care about what well wishers do, but many products can be made that people will arguably benefit more from.

The funerals and cemeteries are not for the dead.
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Postby Latin Islands » Sat May 25, 2019 3:07 pm

Saiwania wrote:It really should be considered.

I must admit that I want to try a bar of soap derived from human fat, for science. If there is no risk for prions, certain bones from people can perhaps be used for gelatin. Dead bodies may well be more lucrative for products than we think, if we can get past wanting to bury them. I can understand the need for burning a corpse after a certain point, but not wasting perfectly good land with coffins and graves.

You give dehumanization a new meaning.

I personally don't support capital punishment and harvesting organs without consent. The latter, well, just feels off.
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Postby USS Monitor » Sat May 25, 2019 3:11 pm

I'm usually pretty pragmatic about these things, but I don't like the idea of a system that creates an incentive to execute more people. I'm wary of trusting the authorities with this sort of thing, and would rather just not have the death penalty.
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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Sat May 25, 2019 3:17 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:What in the fucking fuck?


If soap is just fat, it isn't so objectionable. Now I don't know first hand, if its good for cleaning purposes or not. If it has a good or bad scent as opposed to the ways soap is usually made. But I do believe that dead bodies can be recycled much more efficiently if the sentimentality is removed. We should see the dead, as a resource or business opportunity. It is wasteful to keep using coffins and its generally a waste of time and resources to hold funerals. The dead are gone, so they definitely aren't going to hear or care about what well wishers do, but many products can be made that people will arguably benefit more from.


Funerals are for the living, to remember the dead and to say a final goodbye.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sat May 25, 2019 5:07 pm

Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:Why don't the govt instead mandate everyone to donate their organs after they die, if we're going with that approach?

Because the dead have bodily sovereignty, apparently.
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Postby Nova Cyberia » Sat May 25, 2019 5:11 pm

Saiwania wrote:It really should be considered.

I must admit that I want to try a bar of soap derived from human fat, for science. If there is no risk for prions, certain bones from people can perhaps be used for gelatin. Dead bodies may well be more lucrative for products than we think, if we can get past wanting to bury them. I can understand the need for burning a corpse after a certain point, but not wasting perfectly good land with coffins and graves.

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Postby Elwher » Sat May 25, 2019 10:33 pm

USS Monitor wrote:I'm usually pretty pragmatic about these things, but I don't like the idea of a system that creates an incentive to execute more people. I'm wary of trusting the authorities with this sort of thing, and would rather just not have the death penalty.


I understand the anti-death penalty viewpoint, while not sharing it, but if we are going to have one shouldn't it do some positive good to society, rather than just the negative of removing a killer from the population?
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Postby Nazi Basurian Empire » Sat May 25, 2019 11:26 pm

LiberNovusAmericae wrote:This reminds me of what the government of China does, and that is enough for me to oppose it.

Yes it is utterly immoral and even cannibalistic in essence
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Postby -Ocelot- » Sat May 25, 2019 11:54 pm

A fair idea in theory but where is money involved, there is also abuse.

Look at the US government, their drug agencies and private prisons. They are basically pushing people towards incarceration to be used as slave labor, while private prisons reap the profits. I don't want to imagine what they'd do to maximize the amount of organs harvested from death inmates.

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Postby Jack Thomas Lang » Sat May 25, 2019 11:56 pm

The death penalty alone is barbaric and immoral. Assuming this would be done without permission, it only makes it worse.

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Postby Aclion » Sun May 26, 2019 1:01 am

Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:Why don't the govt instead mandate everyone to donate their organs after they die, if we're going with that approach?

I think it's weird that people are more supportive of taking someone's organs by for then they are of allowing people to sell them.
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Postby Elwher » Sun May 26, 2019 8:35 am

Aclion wrote:
Wunderstrafanstalt wrote:Why don't the govt instead mandate everyone to donate their organs after they die, if we're going with that approach?

I think it's weird that people are more supportive of taking someone's organs by for then they are of allowing people to sell them.


Speaking only for myself, I have no objection to people being allowed to sell their organs. How would it be different than people selling, rather than donating, blood?
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