Necroghastia wrote:Hm? I thought we were talking about homeless shelters, not nudist resorts.
It's beside the point, but okay.
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by Risastorstein » Sat May 25, 2019 1:12 pm
Necroghastia wrote:Hm? I thought we were talking about homeless shelters, not nudist resorts.
by Mettaton-EX » Sat May 25, 2019 1:12 pm
by Necroghastia » Sat May 25, 2019 1:13 pm
by Vassenor » Sat May 25, 2019 1:14 pm
by Risastorstein » Sat May 25, 2019 1:14 pm
Necroghastia wrote:Ah, so infertile people don't exist.
by Vassenor » Sat May 25, 2019 1:15 pm
by Risastorstein » Sat May 25, 2019 1:15 pm
Vassenor wrote:So people should build their entire lives and wellbeing around what will and will not confuse you personally?
by Risastorstein » Sat May 25, 2019 1:17 pm
Vassenor wrote:You're the one who categorised humans based on the output of their sexual organs, thus erasing individuals born with non-functional ones.
by Necroghastia » Sat May 25, 2019 1:19 pm
Necroghastia wrote: Do you honestly believe putting the man on the bottom into a women-only shelter would cause less disruption and confusion? Same for the woman on top, in a men-only shelter?
by Risastorstein » Sat May 25, 2019 1:24 pm
Mettaton-EX wrote:why don't you read literally the first paragraph of the wikipedia page for "sex differences in humans" and then come back to me
by Risastorstein » Sat May 25, 2019 1:27 pm
Necroghastia wrote: Do you honestly believe putting the man on the bottom into a women-only shelter would cause less disruption and confusion? Same for the woman on top, in a men-only shelter?
by Necroghastia » Sat May 25, 2019 1:30 pm
Risastorstein wrote:Necroghastia wrote: Do you honestly believe putting the man on the bottom into a women-only shelter would cause less disruption and confusion? Same for the woman on top, in a men-only shelter?
Neither solution is perfect but I'm pretty sure that biological women don't want people with penises with them.
by Mus Tom » Sat May 25, 2019 1:30 pm
by Risastorstein » Sat May 25, 2019 1:38 pm
Necroghastia wrote:It's really not, unless you know of another situation wherein a group of people would immediately know what sort of junk someone is packing.
Mus Tom wrote:Having spent many years in various shelters across the US, I agree with this.
[...]
The LGBT Community, if they feel should sponsor and fundraise for a shelter specifically for transgendered people if it is an issue they feel is worth pursuit. Demanding that shelters change their policies to make an accommodation is a little unfair to those who bought, paid for, and donate to these types of places, either mens or womens shelters.
by Cappuccina » Sat May 25, 2019 1:39 pm
by Necroghastia » Sat May 25, 2019 1:49 pm
Necroghastia wrote: Do you honestly believe putting the man on the bottom into a women-only shelter would cause less disruption and confusion? Same for the woman on top, in a men-only shelter?
by Mettaton-EX » Sat May 25, 2019 1:58 pm
Risastorstein wrote:Mettaton-EX wrote:why don't you read literally the first paragraph of the wikipedia page for "sex differences in humans" and then come back to me
And you the first paragraph of the "sex" article. It doesn't deny anything I said. And here's a quote of the article you mentioned: "Anisogamy, or the size differences of gametes (sex cells), is the defining feature of the two sexes".
by Internationalist Bastard » Sat May 25, 2019 2:26 pm
by Grenartia » Sat May 25, 2019 8:56 pm
Gagium wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Actually, most homeless shelters are run by groups (such as the Salvation Army, despite their recent PR improvement attempts) that have historically thrown trans women out on the street (even in freezing temps), or forced them into accommodations with men, etc.
..And historically, segregation was rampant in the south. This is 2019 though, correct?
I'd like to see a source from the past decade that shows that these groups did so until Obama's policy was enacted,
or would do so upon its rollback.
Risastorstein wrote:Same-sex means same-sex. They should have thought about that before transitioning.
Gagium wrote:Grenartia wrote:
Tell that first one to Jennifer Gale, a trans woman who was found DEAD in freezing temperatures on the sidewalk next to a homeless shelter that wouldn't take her in because she was trans.Mettaton-EX wrote:jennifer gale died in 2008
Just saw this...2008 was more than a decade ago though. The Salvation Army apparently would've allowed her into the shelter if she would be grouped with men, which when faced with death certainly seems like an option...right?
The Salvation Army apparently had a policy of non-discrimination at the time, and the group apparently did 'what they can to accommodate all homeless people, regardless of gender status although they do have to adjust accommodations to particular circumstances':
https://www.austinchronicle.com/daily/news/2008-12-19/718507/
I wouldn't attribute her death to the fault of any homeless shelter nor discrimination.
And despite this being before Obama's policy that Trump wants to roll back, it turns out that people aren't complete monsters who want to kill homeless trans people. Odd, isn't it?
by Grenartia » Sat May 25, 2019 8:58 pm
Risastorstein wrote:Necroghastia wrote: Do you honestly believe putting the man on the bottom into a women-only shelter would cause less disruption and confusion? Same for the woman on top, in a men-only shelter?
Neither solution is perfect but I'm pretty sure that biological women don't want people with penises with them.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sat May 25, 2019 9:49 pm
Risastorstein wrote:Necroghastia wrote:It's really not, unless you know of another situation wherein a group of people would immediately know what sort of junk someone is packing.
I don't want to be rude but sometimes the biological sex is quite obvious.Mus Tom wrote:Having spent many years in various shelters across the US, I agree with this.
[...]
The LGBT Community, if they feel should sponsor and fundraise for a shelter specifically for transgendered people if it is an issue they feel is worth pursuit. Demanding that shelters change their policies to make an accommodation is a little unfair to those who bought, paid for, and donate to these types of places, either mens or womens shelters.
I think I won't add anything in this thread because everything has been said by this person.
by Nova Cyberia » Sat May 25, 2019 9:51 pm
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Risastorstein wrote:
I don't want to be rude but sometimes the biological sex is quite obvious.
I think I won't add anything in this thread because everything has been said by this person.
There is literally no possible reason for single-sex homeless shelters, save those which are spacifically domestic abuse refuges.
by Washington Resistance Army » Sat May 25, 2019 9:57 pm
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Risastorstein wrote:
I don't want to be rude but sometimes the biological sex is quite obvious.
I think I won't add anything in this thread because everything has been said by this person.
There is literally no possible reason for single-sex homeless shelters, save those which are spacifically domestic abuse refuges.
by Greater vakolicci haven » Sat May 25, 2019 9:57 pm
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