Homeless shelters in US may soon be able to deny transgender

[UIJ]

Why not just have transgender shelters?

I'm sure transgender person would rather be with people who care and understand them then getting possibly discriminated against in a male or female one. Just because a trans can get in a single sex shelter doesn't mean jack shit if they're hated and/or abused in that shelter. Having trans shelters would probably be a better move, tbh.

population density

are you saying there's not enough homeless trans people to warrant their own shelters or

[Betelgeuse Alliance]

What the actual fuck!? What kind of ridiculous policy is that? It's fine if you dislike transgenders and with free speech you have every right to openly express your opinion, but please just leave it at that, let them coexist freely and don't outright let them get denied by homeless shelters, because they're supposed to be for everyone and they seriously save lives. You can't deny people their basic rights like this!

[Mettaton-EX]

population density

are you saying there's not enough homeless trans people to warrant their own shelters or

in most areas, yes, especially because homeless people tend to have worse access to transportation.

rural shelters are already woefully few and far apart, and tend to be worse due to lack of competitive pressure.

[Cekoviu]

Unsurprising, but still awful.

[Gagium]

What the actual fuck!? What kind of ridiculous policy is that? It's fine if you dislike transgenders and with free speech you have every right to openly express your opinion, but please just leave it at that, let them coexist freely and don't outright let them get denied by homeless shelters, because they're supposed to be for everyone and they seriously save lives. You can't deny people their basic rights like this!

I think the people who run the shelters get to decide who they're 'supposed to be for'. And the proposal would simply allow (EDIT: only single-sex!) homeless shelters to deny those who are transgender; It's not as if it's an enforced ban or government-sanctioned discrimination against homeless transgenders.

[UIJ]

are you saying there's not enough homeless trans people to warrant their own shelters or

in most areas, yes, especially because homeless people tend to have worse access to transportation.

rural shelters are already woefully few and far apart, and tend to be worse due to lack of competitive pressure.

ah

Still, it would be the easy way out.

[Ashanara]

They should have mental health evaluations, get treatment and then get acceptance. Ez

Why would only transgender people need these? Why not everyone?

[Imbalistan]

Thats on the same grounds of denying a african american into the homeless shelter on the grounds he is well, african american, but one seems more bigoted to another. There both bad.

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

Again, I ask that you post your credentials and relevant studies, since you know so much better. I'd also like you to prove that said "politicized professionals" are, in fact, politicized and not actually stating the truth.

Collection of various research on the topic concerning the lack of success when its comes to using transition as a cure for dysphoria...

https://www.heritage.org/gender/comment ... e-evidence

>heritage fondation

Right wing think tank sause. Not a good pasta.

[Betelgeuse Alliance]

What the actual fuck!? What kind of ridiculous policy is that? It's fine if you dislike transgenders and with free speech you have every right to openly express your opinion, but please just leave it at that, let them coexist freely and don't outright let them get denied by homeless shelters, because they're supposed to be for everyone and they seriously save lives. You can't deny people their basic rights like this!

I think the people who run the shelters get to decide who they're 'supposed to be for'. And the proposal would simply allow (EDIT: only single-sex!) homeless shelters to deny those who are transgender; It's not as if it's an enforced ban or government-sanctioned discrimination against homeless transgenders.

Alright, thanks for clarifying that and thanks for telling me this in a kind and civil manner, I just got hit too hard with a wave of rage. Kind of relieved it's not an outright ban, but It's still a seriously terrible policy nonetheless. In my personal opinion transgenders should be allowed to be treated as the gender they want to be. (And just so you know, I disagree with the statement that ''there are more than 2 genders''.)

[Hediacrana]

Sad, disgusting policy, and not surprising from this evil government.

[Grenartia]

in most areas, yes, especially because homeless people tend to have worse access to transportation.

rural shelters are already woefully few and far apart, and tend to be worse due to lack of competitive pressure.

ah

Still, it would be the easy way out.

Yeah, but it would single us out unnecessarily, and would unnecessarily increase spending on shelters for not enough benefit. Transphobic cis women just need to learn that trans people are in general no more of a threat to them than other cis women (again, in general) are.

[Saiwania]

Well, if you're apart of LGBT, it shouldn't be too much to ask in my view, to stick to being exclusively male or female in appearance and behavior. Don't be so weird and just expect the outside world to just be okay with what you're doing. A famous Japanese proverb goes: "the nail that sticks up is the one that gets hammered down."

[Nakena]

Well, if you're apart of LGBT, it shouldn't be too much to ask in my view, to stick to being exclusively male or female in appearance and behavior. Don't be so weird and just expect the outside world to just be okay with what you're doing. A famous Japanese proverb goes: "the nail that sticks up is the one that gets hammered down."

So if I would be, theoretically speaking, be a transwoman, and act all the time like a regular female, would that be ok in your view?

[Senkaku]

if you're apart of LGBT

is this like a union or a coven or a political party or what, how do I become part of it

[Galloism]

if you're apart of LGBT

is this like a union or a coven or a political party or what, how do I become part of it

Well, first we have to get you arrested.

[Senkaku]

is this like a union or a coven or a political party or what, how do I become part of it

Well, first we have to get you arrested.

ooh cool so it's a prison gang? that sounds kinda badass, can I get like a stick and poke tattoo of like a skull or smthn on my back idk

[Aclion]

Collection of various research on the topic concerning the lack of success when its comes to using transition as a cure for dysphoria...

https://www.heritage.org/gender/comment ... e-evidence

>heritage fondation

Right wing think tank sause. Not a good pasta.

It's got a green check mark.

[Jack Thomas Lang]

>heritage fondation

Right wing think tank sause. Not a good pasta.

I'm certain that you can find some studies challenging the article instead of throwing around genetic fallacies.

[Cappuccina]

Well, if you're apart of LGBT, it shouldn't be too much to ask in my view, to stick to being exclusively male or female in appearance and behavior. Don't be so weird and just expect the outside world to just be okay with what you're doing. A famous Japanese proverb goes: "the nail that sticks up is the one that gets hammered down."

I actually agree, to an extent, someone going against the grain of their society should expect difficulty. However, the reasoning behind the actions of the perpetrators of said difficulty should be questioned.

I see no social benefits to denying homeless people from a shelter, regardless of their opinions or what have you.. Mercy towards those without a roof over their head is the priority here.

[Galloism]

Well, if you're apart of LGBT, it shouldn't be too much to ask in my view, to stick to being exclusively male or female in appearance and behavior. Don't be so weird and just expect the outside world to just be okay with what you're doing. A famous Japanese proverb goes: "the nail that sticks up is the one that gets hammered down."

I actually agree, to an extent, someone going against the grain of their society should expect difficulty. However, the reasoning behind the actions of the perpetrators of said difficulty should be questioned.

I see no social benefits to denying homeless people from a shelter, regardless of their opinions or what have you.. Mercy towards those without a roof over their head is the priority here.

Hear hear.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Ideally homeless shelters would be like capsule hotels so this wouldn't be a problem. But like prisoners and children in care, homeless people are at the very end of the queue for public spending.

[East Mandeast Raiillishme]

sause

A Trump administration proposal could allow federally-funded homeless shelters to deny services to transgender people, marking what advocates say is another attack on the community.

The proposal, published Wednesday, would rollback Obama-era protections to prevent single-sex shelters from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation and gender identity.

Under the Department of Housing and Urban Development rule change, homeless shelter operators could create a policy to consider "an individual’s sex for the purposes of determining accommodation within such shelters and for purposes of determining sex for admission to any facility or portion thereof."

Nearly one-third of transgender Americans who responded to a 2015 survey have experienced homelessness in their lifetime. Requiring transgender people to stay in shelters that don't match their gender identity can put them at further risk of violence and harassment, according to the National Center for Transgender Equality.


The factors that shelter operators can consider to determine someone's sex include "privacy, safety, practical concerns, religious beliefs," the proposed rule says, and "the individual’s sex as reflected in official government documents."

The Obama administration first passed an "Equal Access" rule for HUD programs in 2012, and in 2016 moved to ensure transgender and gender non-conforming people get services in accordance with their gender identity.



Mara Keisling, executive director of the National Center for Transgender Equality, said the rollback proposal contradicts the mission of the department.

“This is a heartless attack on some of the most vulnerable people in our society," Keisling said in a statement. "The programs impacted by this rule are life-saving for transgender people, particularly youth rejected by their families, and a lack of stable housing fuels the violence and abuse that takes the lives of many transgender people of color across the country."



The American Civil Liberties Union described the proposal as not just another discriminatory move against transgender people but an attempt to justify it with religion.

“When shelters are allowed to turn transgender people away — a policy that is sanctioned by a government that continues to push the lie that the mere existence of trans people threatens the privacy and safety of others — deadly violence against the trans community on the streets will rise," said Ian Thompson, a senior legislative representative for the union.

My view is that this is a stupid allowance in the rules. Transgender homeless people should not be denied shelter. This should not be allowed.


What say you NSG?

xd

[The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp]

>heritage fondation

Right wing think tank sause. Not a good pasta.

I'm certain that you can find some studies challenging the article instead of throwing around genetic fallacies.

Beacuse of there vast financhal ties to the right and there own idological bias there is no way that there research was not allready made invald by there confermation biais.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Cunt move.