Seasteading

[Scomagia]

Probably the same way cities dispose of their rubbish. Straight into the ocean or straight into cash starved countries.

Doesn't sound like what cities do in my part of the world. What part of the third world are you from?

Then you simply don't know where your garbage goes. While most goes into landfills, the first world pumps a non-negligable amount of waste into the ocean or pays poorer countries to take it. A seastead would only have the latter two options. I guess my initial post was badly worded but now you see what I mean.

[Scomagia]

Probably the same way cities dispose of their rubbish. Straight into the ocean or straight into cash starved countries.

What backwater cities do you know?

Most cities are not in the first world and lack effective waste management. Even first world nations pump some portion of their waste into the ocean or poorer countries, either from lack of concern or corruption. Look at Italy and the waste disposal practices of the Camorra.

Since they wouldn't have landfills available, seasteads would either have to dump in the ocean or poorer countries.

[LiberNovusAmericae]

Seasteading is a good idea as long as people can emigrate if they don't like the society they moved into.

[Esternial]

I've always wanted to LARP Waterworld.

[Costa Fierro]

Just don't do it over a disputed reef.

[Ostroeuropa]

You're not likely to get recognition. Vessels are held to be under the jurisdiction of the nation of origin, and abandoning that jurisdiction is essentially an intent to become a pirate.

Your best bet is to get a large gang of vessels together who can somehow make a battle with the entirety of the worlds Navy costly enough that they will recognize you as an independent state when you demand it because the alternative is to lose your commerce and/or fight a war they think isn't worth it (realpolitik recognition of sovereignty). But then you haven't made some hyperindividualist micronation, you've made a floating nation grouped together out of mutual necessity.

Perhaps at best you could manage an oldschool Pirate Nation constitution, with basic laws for all vessels and then an agreement that each vessel can establish its own constitution on top of that.

[UniversalCommons]

Why demand anything. Get several factoryships and a few cruiser liners and take them to some tropical location and start selling goods. Grow stuff and salvage stuff until you get big enough to cause trouble. Claim nothing and refuse to cooperate with anyone. Refuse to pay taxes and start your own offshore banking registered to no one in particular. The problem comes when you call yourself a nation.

[Purpelia]

The problem comes when you refuse to pay taxes. At that point your country of origin will come for you. And even complete wrecks of a country can put out more military hardware than civilians can get their hands on.

[The New California Republic]

I find the concept odd, but I would definitely find it very interesting to try to design one; even if it was just limited to some drawings and proof of concept models to use in a wave pool etc.

[Purpelia]

I wonder how well such a structure would survive a storm.

[The New California Republic]

I wonder how well such a structure would survive a storm.

That's why it'd be prudent to use a wave pool to test concept models before actually building one. I imagine that it'd be fine if designed well, as rigs manage to survive strong storms after all.

[Christian Confederation]

So this is basically Homesteading but at sea? Sounds like "if I dock hear for a long time I'll be a country!"
That's not how it works to be a country you need some kind of recognition. Plus we already have Sealand, all the Chinese artafical reaf islands, a handful of micro nations, Embassys, Concalets and military bases are basically part of there home country.
Plus if you want to live at sea there is a hole Pandora's box of lagistics. As well as nature and maintenance to deal with.

Tldr- it's a lagistical nightmare to live on water.

[Purpelia]

I wonder how well such a structure would survive a storm.

That's why it'd be prudent to use a wave pool to test concept models before actually building one. I imagine that it'd be fine if designed well, as rigs manage to survive strong storms after all.

Oil rigs aren't built around people lounging on the deck though. I very much doubt that the average person moving to one of these would volunteer for oil rig living standards.

[The New California Republic]

That's why it'd be prudent to use a wave pool to test concept models before actually building one. I imagine that it'd be fine if designed well, as rigs manage to survive strong storms after all.

Oil rigs aren't built around people lounging on the deck though. I very much doubt that the average person moving to one of these would volunteer for oil rig living standards.

Sure. Hence why the basic engineering concepts of the platform could be used, while having something entirely different on the platform itself. There is actually nothing to stop something like a Hilton (one designed to withstand the conditions obviously) being built on a rig platform if there was actually ever a need for one.

[Purpelia]

Oil rigs aren't built around people lounging on the deck though. I very much doubt that the average person moving to one of these would volunteer for oil rig living standards.

Sure. Hence why the basic engineering concepts of the platform could be used, while having something entirely different on the platform itself. There is actually nothing to stop something like a Hilton (one designed to withstand the conditions obviously) being built on a rig platform if there was actually ever a need for one.

Theoretically. But in practice you'd still have to keep all your stuff indoors and just generally live like you would on an oil rig. You can't expect it to be like a cruise ship because those can avoid storms.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

So how would these people make a living? Or is it just for rich people to avoid paying tax.

[Auze]

Let's establish a libertarian country at sea!

Was attempted once, the resulting incident nearly started a war.

[The New California Republic]

Sure. Hence why the basic engineering concepts of the platform could be used, while having something entirely different on the platform itself. There is actually nothing to stop something like a Hilton (one designed to withstand the conditions obviously) being built on a rig platform if there was actually ever a need for one.

Theoretically. But in practice you'd still have to keep all your stuff indoors and just generally live like you would on an oil rig. You can't expect it to be like a cruise ship because those can avoid storms.

You could have outdoor parts of it that are open in nice weather and closed in bad weather, like many hotels do.

[Dumb Ideologies]

When do we start exiling libertarians to the Merfolk Realm?

[Purpelia]

Theoretically. But in practice you'd still have to keep all your stuff indoors and just generally live like you would on an oil rig. You can't expect it to be like a cruise ship because those can avoid storms.

You could have outdoor parts of it that are open in nice weather and closed in bad weather, like many hotels do.

But would anyone want to live the rest of their lives like that? Especially since in this case it's not a question of not going outside in bad weather but of literally everything you leave outside being washed away.

[The New California Republic]

You could have outdoor parts of it that are open in nice weather and closed in bad weather, like many hotels do.

But would anyone want to live the rest of their lives like that? Especially since in this case it's not a question of not going outside in bad weather but of literally everything you leave outside being washed away.

It takes all sorts I suppose. I'm sure some people would, considering the vast diversity of preferences in terms of lifestyle choices that can be observed even amongst people in the same country. As long as there is stuff to do, and the person has some sense of purpose, then living with special conditions can be tolerated quite readily.

[Atheris]

SEALAND RULES THE WAVES

REMOVE ENGLISH BREAKFAST

1975 BEST YEAR OF MY LIFE

[Risottia]

What backwater cities do you know?

Most cities are not in the first world and lack effective waste management. Even first world nations pump some portion of their waste into the ocean or poorer countries, either from lack of concern or corruption.

Luckily, most EU/EEA cities are better at managing waste correctly than most cities in the world.

Look at Italy and the waste disposal practices of the Camorra.

That's mostly industrial waste, and it goes into illegal landfills, not the oceans.
The geniuses in Neaples pay Northern Italy to burn their waste in our incineration plants, and then pay again to buy the electricity generated by burning their waste.

Since they wouldn't have landfills available, seasteads would either have to dump in the ocean or poorer countries.

Or maybe they could do what sensible cities do, that is recycling and incineration of what cannot be recycled...
Then again, floating cities aren't very likely to be populated by sensible people who care for the environment, are they.

[Risottia]

So how would these people make a living? Or is it just for rich people to avoid paying tax.

The latter.
Then again, if they waiver their claim to any land-country citizenship, who cares? Nothing will be given to them. Out on their own.