Seasteading

[The Emerald Legion]

So, people have been trying for ages to work up the ability to build floating micronations on the high seas. With advances in technology this might soon be actually possible, so I figured we might as well discuss it.

On the one hand, while I find the idea interesting in that it allows for a more or less peaceful break with established powers I also find the idea somewhat concerning as well for that same reason. A floating community is surely not something to be obtained cheaply. A large portion of the focus also appears to be less based on practical living and more on exotic luxury, with little thoughts to the economic viability of such a community.

https://www.seasteading.org/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasteading

[Christo Pax]

Let's establish a libertarian country at sea!

[The Emerald Legion]

Let's establish a libertarian country at sea!

I feel like I've heard this before....

I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Oh please save us from these pirates/this tropical storm etc..

[Galloism]

Oh please save us from these pirates/this tropical storm etc..

#MakeCannonsGreatAgain

[Kragholm Free States]

Let's establish a libertarian country at sea!

I feel like I've heard this before....

I am Andrew Ryan, and I'm here to ask you a question. Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well.

I mean, aside from everyone drinking magic slug juice that turned them into insane mutants, Rapture wasn't a bad idea.

[The Rich Port]

I feel like I've heard this before....

I mean, aside from everyone drinking magic slug juice that turned them into insane mutants, Rapture wasn't a bad idea.

The magic slug juice was just a plot point.

The whole point of Bioshock was to show what a joke Objectivism was.

"Someone's gotta scrub the toilets", said the crime lord.

[The Emerald Legion]

In any case, another question. Would you, the posters of NSG choose to live on a seastead? Under what circumstances?

[The Rich Port]

In any case, another question. Would you, the posters of NSG choose to live on a seastead? Under what circumstances?

Is it even slightly better than living on land?

[The Emerald Legion]

In any case, another question. Would you, the posters of NSG choose to live on a seastead? Under what circumstances?

Is it even slightly better than living on land?

So far as I can tell it's basically like living in an apartment complex that happens to be in the middle of the Briny deep.

The primary benefit comes from self determination.

[The Rich Port]

Is it even slightly better than living on land?

So far as I can tell it's basically like living in an apartment complex that happens to be in the middle of the Briny deep.

The primary benefit comes from self determination.

That kinda reeks to me of under-estimating the logistics of living in international waters, i.e. in the middle of the ocean.

Self-determination means diddly squat when you have to sacrifice everything else for it.

It's one thing to sacrifice my freedom for comfort, it's another to squander both chasing a power pipe dream.

More than anybody, I'd love to live in one of these, but we can't be blinded by promise.

IMO, it'd be interesting if we supported government initiatives to colonize the ocean for living space.

Making them independent, on the other hand, means putting power in the hands of people that aren't vetted.

Say what you will about our current government, but they have to follow certain laws and those laws are enforced by the police.

What about hurricanes? What about piracy? What about international incidents? What about giant squid attacks?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

So how do they plan on getting rid of their rubbish? Just tip it over the side?

[The Emerald Legion]

So how do they plan on getting rid of their rubbish? Just tip it over the side?

I feel like recycling would need to be more mandatory on such an endeavor given the costs of replacing things.

[Farnhamia]

So, people have been trying for ages to work up the ability to build floating micronations on the high seas. With advances in technology this might soon be actually possible, so I figured we might as well discuss it.

On the one hand, while I find the idea interesting in that it allows for a more or less peaceful break with established powers I also find the idea somewhat concerning as well for that same reason. A floating community is surely not something to be obtained cheaply. A large portion of the focus also appears to be less based on practical living and more on exotic luxury, with little thoughts to the economic viability of such a community.

I think some more information about this "seasteading" thing you bring up, stranger. I happen to know that there's a Wiki article on it, there must be more on the interwebnets.

[The Emerald Legion]

So, people have been trying for ages to work up the ability to build floating micronations on the high seas. With advances in technology this might soon be actually possible, so I figured we might as well discuss it.

On the one hand, while I find the idea interesting in that it allows for a more or less peaceful break with established powers I also find the idea somewhat concerning as well for that same reason. A floating community is surely not something to be obtained cheaply. A large portion of the focus also appears to be less based on practical living and more on exotic luxury, with little thoughts to the economic viability of such a community.

I think some more information about this "seasteading" thing you bring up, stranger. I happen to know that there's a Wiki article on it, there must be more on the interwebnets.

I figured it was fairly self explanatory but...

https://www.seasteading.org/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasteading

[Farnhamia]

I think some more information about this "seasteading" thing you bring up, stranger. I happen to know that there's a Wiki article on it, there must be more on the interwebnets.

I figured it was fairly self explanatory but...

https://www.seasteading.org/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasteading

Self-explanatory? Never assume that here. Besides, it's polite to give people some info to go on, besides your opinion. That's not to say that your opinion isn't eminently valuable, of course, but this is NSG.

As for it being like living in an apartment block but with self-determination, what makes you say that? You'd still be part of a community. You wouldn't be a lone pioneer out on the wet and salty plains. I daresay, given the rather more precarious environment, you'd have more restrictions on your freedom than fewer.

[Aclion]

As for it being like living in an apartment block but with self-determination, what makes you say that? You'd still be part of a community. You wouldn't be a lone pioneer out on the wet and salty plains.

*Captain Nemo intensifies*

[Farnhamia]

As for it being like living in an apartment block but with self-determination, what makes you say that? You'd still be part of a community. You wouldn't be a lone pioneer out on the wet and salty plains.

*Captain Nemo intensifies*

Nemo had a crew.

[Aclion]

*Captain Nemo intensifies*

Nemo had a crew.

Eeeh, they were basically robotic though.

[The Rich Port]

Nemo had a crew.

Eeeh, they were basically robotic though.

Yeah, I'm not sure I see the benefits of living out in the middle of the ocean surrounded by sycophants, basically.

Sounds more like people want to go live out in the ocean to avoid the responsibilities of society, or to rule in whatever way pleases them.

"Free" tyrannies.

[The Emerald Legion]

I figured it was fairly self explanatory but...

https://www.seasteading.org/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasteading

Self-explanatory? Never assume that here. Besides, it's polite to give people some info to go on, besides your opinion. That's not to say that your opinion isn't eminently valuable, of course, but this is NSG.

As for it being like living in an apartment block but with self-determination, what makes you say that? You'd still be part of a community. You wouldn't be a lone pioneer out on the wet and salty plains. I daresay, given the rather more precarious environment, you'd have more restrictions on your freedom than fewer.

Presumably however it would be a community you chose to join.

[Farnhamia]

Nemo had a crew.

Eeeh, they were basically robotic though.

No, M. Verne just didn't care to develop them as characters. Appropriately, no man is an island entire of itself. I blame Ralph Waldo Emerson and his self-reliance claptrap, which leads to unnecessary introspection, navel contemplation, Captain Ahab, and Internet Tough Guys. I point no fingers at you, of course. Even Thoreau, the famous pencil-maker, couldn't live in the woods without walking into Concord several times a week to collect the gossip.

[Farnhamia]

Self-explanatory? Never assume that here. Besides, it's polite to give people some info to go on, besides your opinion. That's not to say that your opinion isn't eminently valuable, of course, but this is NSG.

As for it being like living in an apartment block but with self-determination, what makes you say that? You'd still be part of a community. You wouldn't be a lone pioneer out on the wet and salty plains. I daresay, given the rather more precarious environment, you'd have more restrictions on your freedom than fewer.

Presumably however it would be a community you chose to join.

In the United States, you can live wherever you like, as long as you can pay the costs. You can choose to join or not join all sorts of communities.

[The Rich Port]

Self-explanatory? Never assume that here. Besides, it's polite to give people some info to go on, besides your opinion. That's not to say that your opinion isn't eminently valuable, of course, but this is NSG.

As for it being like living in an apartment block but with self-determination, what makes you say that? You'd still be part of a community. You wouldn't be a lone pioneer out on the wet and salty plains. I daresay, given the rather more precarious environment, you'd have more restrictions on your freedom than fewer.

Presumably however it would be a community you chose to join.

There's no such thing as completely voluntary communities. Not even families are voluntary; in fact, the whole point of families is that they're INVOLUNTARY societies, and tribal communities have their own issues of coercive power.

Human beings HAVE to interact out of pure necessity 99% of the time, unless you specifically separate yourself as an individual from society. That's what trading is. It's basic human sociology at work here.

Moving out into international waters means anybody has to respect your sovereignty. If anything, it's an invitation to chew on your ass, because you have no automatic alliance.

A legit fear of these legally grey areas is that it's where people that society no longer wants are going to be shipped out to.

In fact, pretty sure I made a joke thread once where I suggested moving homeless and poor people out into the Pacific Garbage Gyre, under the pretense that we tell them it's an island.

[Klorgia1]

Just so we're clear, nations with a population of 12 and a boat aren't getting any UN seats. Good? Good.