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Postby The Rich Port » Thu May 23, 2019 3:14 pm

Aureumterra wrote:After doing research, I have found that this is indeed fake news, and have requested this thread be locked. This has been my fault not doing enough research and spreading misinformation, so I requested a thread lock on moderation.


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Postby Nakena » Thu May 23, 2019 3:15 pm

Aureumterra wrote:After doing research, I have found that this is indeed fake news, and have requested this thread be locked. This has been my fault not doing enough research and spreading misinformation, so I requested a thread lock on moderation.


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Postby Mackjaracotavon » Fri May 24, 2019 4:52 pm

Aureumterra wrote:After doing research, I have found that this is indeed fake news, and have requested this thread be locked. This has been my fault not doing enough research and spreading misinformation, so I requested a thread lock on moderation.


If you are the OP of the thread, you have to request a thread lock in Moderation if you haven't done so.
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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Fri May 24, 2019 5:03 pm

Mackjaracotavon wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:After doing research, I have found that this is indeed fake news, and have requested this thread be locked. This has been my fault not doing enough research and spreading misinformation, so I requested a thread lock on moderation.


If you are the OP of the thread, you have to request a thread lock in Moderation if you haven't done so.

I think the OP has requested a lock, and it was denied. There is no thread ownership in NSG.

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Aureumterra wrote:Can you lock this thread?

Sorry, there's no thread ownership in NSG. It stays unlocked until/if there is cause to lock it.
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Postby Gravlen » Fri May 24, 2019 6:51 pm

The OP could edit or delete his own OP though. Just sayin'...
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Postby Nakena » Fri May 24, 2019 6:52 pm

Gravlen wrote:The OP could edit or delete his own OP though. Just sayin'...


Might be the best option.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Fri May 24, 2019 7:11 pm

It’s not fake news. Though the story is more nuanced than as presented.


https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-hi ... ls-0011947
https://www.hvst.com/posts/the-clash-of ... s-wl2TQBpY

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Postby Nakena » Fri May 24, 2019 8:02 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:It’s not fake news. Though the story is more nuanced than as presented.


https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-hi ... ls-0011947


Oh. That is... very interesting, and sheds some lights on the background of the issue. Thanks for the link Post Kaiser!
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Postby Aureumterra » Sat May 25, 2019 11:33 am

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Postby Cappuccina » Sat May 25, 2019 11:41 am

Ethel mermania wrote:It’s not fake news. Though the story is more nuanced than as presented.


https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-hi ... ls-0011947

Still pretty idiot to erase your heritage just because certain groups like to appropriate the runes. The runic script belongs to the nordic people as a whole, not political groups.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat May 25, 2019 11:47 am

Cappuccina wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:It’s not fake news. Though the story is more nuanced than as presented.


https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-hi ... ls-0011947

Still pretty idiot to erase your heritage just because certain groups like to appropriate the runes. The runic script belongs to the nordic people as a whole, not political groups.

Well one of the options being bandied about by the committee was to only ban them in the context of being used as a symbols of hate. So that option anyway wouldnt ban them if used in their proper context.

We can certainly argue how effective it would be and questions on who defines what is "hate", but it's not quite the "swedes banning their history 4evah", that the sources in the OP quoted claim.
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Postby Cappuccina » Sat May 25, 2019 11:51 am

Ethel mermania wrote:
Cappuccina wrote:Still pretty idiot to erase your heritage just because certain groups like to appropriate the runes. The runic script belongs to the nordic people as a whole, not political groups.

Well one of the options being bandied about by the committee was to only ban them in the context of being used as a symbols of hate. So that option anyway wouldnt ban them if used in their proper context.

We can certainly argue how effective it would be and questions on who defines what is "hate", but it's not quite the "swedes banning their history 4evah", that the sources in the OP quoted claim.


The notion of "proper context" is the issue, some people might just actually like runes and like wearing jewelry or clothing with them on it. People should be able to do that.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sat May 25, 2019 11:55 am

Cappuccina wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:It’s not fake news. Though the story is more nuanced than as presented.


https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-hi ... ls-0011947

Still pretty idiot to erase your heritage just because certain groups like to appropriate the runes. The runic script belongs to the nordic people as a whole, not political groups.

Again, nothing's happened yet. The article Ethel linked says this:

Finally, the committee text states that one of the possible outcomes from the inquiry could be: “the option of introducing a special ban on public use of certain symbols as punishment for incitement against ethnic groups.”

No history is being erased. No pagans will be arrested, maybe just some racists attacking ethnic groups. It sounds like what you said, that the runic script belongs to the Nordic people, not political groups.
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Postby Cetacea » Sat May 25, 2019 1:40 pm

Will Sweden also ban The Avengers because their Thor is blond and blue eyed?

As a brown person I think the idea is fucking ridiculous, a little O.T. even - don’t be Stupid Sweden, instead reclaim the Runes, Hammer it home and celebrate to spite the neo-fuckwads

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Postby Gravlen » Sat May 25, 2019 2:04 pm

Cetacea wrote:Will Sweden also ban The Avengers because their Thor is blond and blue eyed?

As a brown person I think the idea is fucking ridiculous, a little O.T. even - don’t be Stupid Sweden, instead reclaim the Runes, Hammer it home and celebrate to spite the neo-fuckwads

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The OP is false. Sweden is not considering banning any nordic runes.

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Postby Hammer Britannia » Sat May 25, 2019 2:06 pm

Aureumterra wrote:After doing research, I have found that this is indeed fake news, and have requested this thread be locked. This has been my fault not doing enough research and spreading misinformation, so I requested a thread lock on moderation.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 27, 2019 3:37 am

Apparently we need to say this louder for the people in the back.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Nothing has happened since 19th June 2018, the last time this was news in Sweden and the symbol the minister was considering banning is the logo of a terrorist organisation. So cool thy outrage jets.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon May 27, 2019 5:54 am

Vassenor wrote:Apparently we need to say this louder for the people in the back.

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Nothing has happened since 19th June 2018, the last time this was news in Sweden and the symbol the minister was considering banning is the logo of a terrorist organisation. So cool thy outrage jets.


Weird then how the article I posted was date may 23rd 2019.

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Postby Juristonia » Mon May 27, 2019 6:08 am

Ethel mermania wrote:Weird then how the article I posted was date may 23rd 2019.

Facts are difficult things.

It's almost like Ancient Origins quoting Gateway Pundit and Samhällsnytt is doing so because they're pushing an agenda, rather than accurately sharing relevant news or something.
But I'm sure that's totally not what's happening.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon May 27, 2019 6:43 am

Juristonia wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:Weird then how the article I posted was date may 23rd 2019.

Facts are difficult things.

It's almost like Ancient Origins quoting Gateway Pundit and Samhällsnytt is doing so because they're pushing an agenda, rather than accurately sharing relevant news or something.
But I'm sure that's totally not what's happening.

Did you read the article, Or are you pulling it out of your ass? Based on your post looks like the latter.

The article specifically debunks the "swedes are making their history illegal" theory pushed by RT and the like.
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Postby Juristonia » Mon May 27, 2019 6:50 am

Oh, I absolutely didn't, except for looking at the sources, because my reaction to anything from the pundit is generally "lolokay"

Your post made it sound like you were arguing that this wasn't actually old news, which could've been me misreading it.
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And it seems to me that cryptocurrency and NFTs and such suddenly have a whooooole lot of shovel salespeople.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon May 27, 2019 7:44 am

Juristonia wrote:Oh, I absolutely didn't, except for looking at the sources, because my reaction to anything from the pundit is generally "lolokay"

Your post made it sound like you were arguing that this wasn't actually old news, which could've been me misreading it.


Oh sure, now be reasonable :)

The point was that the OP isnt false news, but misrepresentation of what is going on.

The appointed committee is looking at stopping the use of the runes as symbols of hate groups, and seeming to somehow giving the blessing of history to those groups.

There are lots of things they can do, and I suppose one extreme thing is banning all use of runes, but I didnt see that as a preferred option.
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Postby Communist Zombie Horde » Mon May 27, 2019 10:53 am

Typical of the Swedish government.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon May 27, 2019 10:54 am

Communist Zombie Horde wrote:Typical of the Swedish government.


Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Nothing has happened since 19th June 2018, the last time this was news in Sweden and the symbol the minister was considering banning is the logo of a terrorist organisation. So cool thy outrage jets.
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