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-Ocelot- wrote:Neo-fascists have ruined pretty much every single ancient symbol, from Nordic runes to the black sun to swastika. They've spoiled and corrupted so many meaningful symbols. People are going to hate Sweden for considering this but they didn't ruin the runes.

Far from ruining anything, the Scandinavian region should take it as a great honor and compliment that the mighty Third Reich saw it fit to incorporate aspects of their culture and history into the grand vision and plan National Socialism attempted to create for Europe and Germany and beyond. What is to be despaired is that Finland and Sweden couldn't help to vanquish Bolshevism.

Saiwania wrote:

-Ocelot- wrote:Neo-fascists have ruined pretty much every single ancient symbol, from Nordic runes to the black sun to swastika. They've spoiled and corrupted so many meaningful symbols. People are going to hate Sweden for considering this but they didn't ruin the runes.

Far from ruining anything, the Scandinavian region should take it as a great honor and compliment that the mighty Third Reich saw it fit to incorporate aspects of their culture and history into the grand vision and plan National Socialism attempted to create for Europe and Germany and beyond. What is to be despaired is that Finland and Sweden couldn't help to vanquish Bolshevism.

Well I never thought I see the day where someone would say being associated with a genocidal regime that murdered millions of innocents would be a good thing but here we are I guess.

Thermodolia wrote:

Liriena wrote:

So… the Swedish Parliament is considering banning Norse runes since they promote “Nazism” and “Hate speech.” What do you think NSG?

I think you did a shit job of fact-checking this story.

OP should add this to the OP

He won't, because that would ruin his ongoing framing.

Sanctum and Ultima wrote:Really? Nazis, can you stop ruining historical stuff?

Ironic when you know that nazism was created.as.a.reaction to.communism.

Saiwania wrote:

-Ocelot- wrote:Neo-fascists have ruined pretty much every single ancient symbol, from Nordic runes to the black sun to swastika. They've spoiled and corrupted so many meaningful symbols. People are going to hate Sweden for considering this but they didn't ruin the runes.

Far from ruining anything, the Scandinavian region should take it as a great honor and compliment that the mighty Third Reich saw it fit to incorporate aspects of their culture and history into the grand vision and plan National Socialism attempted to create for Europe and Germany and beyond. What is to be despaired is that Finland and Sweden couldn't help to vanquish Bolshevism.

Hahaha dont you will trigger them too much

Saiwania wrote:

-Ocelot- wrote:Neo-fascists have ruined pretty much every single ancient symbol, from Nordic runes to the black sun to swastika. They've spoiled and corrupted so many meaningful symbols. People are going to hate Sweden for considering this but they didn't ruin the runes.

Far from ruining anything, the Scandinavian region should take it as a great honor and compliment that the mighty Third Reich saw it fit to incorporate aspects of their culture and history into the grand vision and plan National Socialism attempted to create for Europe and Germany and beyond. What is to be despaired is that Finland and Sweden couldn't help to vanquish Bolshevism.

lol

Andsed wrote:

Saiwania wrote:
Far from ruining anything, the Scandinavian region should take it as a great honor and compliment that the mighty Third Reich saw it fit to incorporate aspects of their culture and history into the grand vision and plan National Socialism attempted to create for Europe and Germany and beyond. What is to be despaired is that Finland and Sweden couldn't help to vanquish Bolshevism.

Well I never thought I see the day where someone would say being associated with a genocidal regime that murdered millions of innocents would be a good thing but here we are I guess.

Then you must be blind cuz here in nation states there are hella of a lot of frickin commies protected by the monitor'sbias

Feudal Bulgaria wrote:

Saiwania wrote:
Far from ruining anything, the Scandinavian region should take it as a great honor and compliment that the mighty Third Reich saw it fit to incorporate aspects of their culture and history into the grand vision and plan National Socialism attempted to create for Europe and Germany and beyond. What is to be despaired is that Finland and Sweden couldn't help to vanquish Bolshevism.

Hahaha dont you will trigger them too much

And now we got someone laughing at people for getting annoyed with someone praising a genocidal oppressive regime which murdered millions of innocents. NSG is a weird place.

Feudal Bulgaria wrote:

Andsed wrote: Well I never thought I see the day where someone would say being associated with a genocidal regime that murdered millions of innocents would be a good thing but here we are I guess.

Then you must be blind cuz here in nation states there are hella of a lot of frickin commies protected by the monitor'sbias

And that makes praising a regime which murdered millions of innocents better?

Theyll use minecraft enchantment table letters instead

Feudal Bulgaria wrote:Then you must be blind cuz here in nation states there are hella of a lot of frickin commies protected by the monitor'sbias

This just reads as "I got banned once and am still really mad about it."

Feudal Bulgaria wrote:

Sanctum and Ultima wrote:Really? Nazis, can you stop ruining historical stuff?

Ironic when you know that nazism was created.as.a.reaction to.communism.

Nazism and fascism were created to artificially rile up the people against western Europe, not "muh communism"

Andsed wrote:And that makes praising a regime which murdered millions of innocents better?

That regime was also the first into outer Space and created the Autobahn and did plenty of other great works. But no, let's focus too much on Heinrich Himmler's personal projects for internal security. It's well known that the Reich had different leaders who controlled different entities to their own liking, with little centralized control over what was going on, other than Hitler having the power to intervene, which he generally didn't unless he was disatisfied enough with whoever was in control. The SS was Himmler's baby just as the Luftwaffe was Herman Goring's.

Saiwania wrote:

Andsed wrote:And that makes praising a regime which murdered millions of innocents better?

That regime was also the first into outer Space and created the Autobahn and did plenty of other great works. But no, let's focus too much on Heinrich Himmler's personal projects for internal security. It's well known that the Reich had different leaders who controlled different entities to their own liking, with little centralized control over what was going on, other than Hitler having the power to intervene, which he generally didn't unless he was disatisfied enough with whoever was in control. The SS was Himmler's baby just as the Luftwaffe was Herman Goring's.

So Hitler's supposed ignorance excuses the regimes horrid acts upon its own people?

Saiwania wrote:

Andsed wrote:And that makes praising a regime which murdered millions of innocents better?

That regime was also the first into outer Space and created the Autobahn and did plenty of other great works. But no, let's focus too much on Heinrich Himmler's personal projects for internal security. It's well known that the Reich had different leaders who controlled different entities to their own liking, with little centralized control over what was going on, other than Hitler having the power to intervene, which he generally didn't unless he was disatisfied enough with whoever was in control. The SS was Himmler's baby just as the Luftwaffe was Herman Goring's.

And any of this somehow excuses the murdering of millions of innocents and starting a world war war which also killed millions?

Also Hitler was pretty blatantly anti semntic and was that pretty obviously involved with the Holacaust.

Saiwania wrote:

Andsed wrote:And that makes praising a regime which murdered millions of innocents better?

That regime was also the first into outer Space and created the Autobahn and did plenty of other great works. But no, let's focus too much on Heinrich Himmler's personal projects for internal security. It's well known that the Reich had different leaders who controlled different entities to their own liking, with little centralized control over what was going on, other than Hitler having the power to intervene, which he generally didn't unless he was disatisfied enough with whoever was in control. The SS was Himmler's baby just as the Luftwaffe was Herman Goring's.

Scientific achievements can be made peacefully, without genocides. Hitler's regime was totally wretched and morally wrong. But let's stick to the topic.

Personally, I think, that this is just wrong. Try to ban an important part cultural heritage, because some misguided folks use them as symbols for their agenda. One of the reasons, why I am disappointed with mainstream liberals or whoever runs the show there.

Then the neos start using roman numerals in their propaganda and somebody wants to ban those. Let's not let those groups jerk us around. Also note that there are a lot of people outside of Scandinavia who don't know the difference between Social Democrats and Sweden Democrats, and even some who still think Socialism is Communism.

>first into outer space

Wut. Way to ignore the communists being the first to put a man up there.

I've actually been looking behind nordic culture for a while, and most of the symbols the nazis hijacked are distinct and their interpretations as such can be avoided easily (not using the algis/z rune as a 'life rune' and instead with the more common meaning of protection, nazis draw their odals with feet compared to the original).

This just feel like another move by cancel culturists who think they can just ban their way through these groups instead of attacking the source.

Saiwania wrote:

Andsed wrote:And that makes praising a regime which murdered millions of innocents better?

That regime was also the first into outer Space and created the Autobahn and did plenty of other great works. But no, let's focus too much on Heinrich Himmler's personal projects for internal security. It's well known that the Reich had different leaders who controlled different entities to their own liking, with little centralized control over what was going on, other than Hitler having the power to intervene, which he generally didn't unless he was disatisfied enough with whoever was in control. The SS was Himmler's baby just as the Luftwaffe was Herman Goring's.

We should submit this to r/shitwehraboossay

Galloism wrote:

Nova Cyberia wrote:If you're doxxing them then you're attacking them.

I really struggle with the doxxing vs free speech vs free association paradox thing.

I mean, on the one hand, telling people who is an asshole is clearly speech. Them being an asshole is also speech. But telling people who the assholes are can lead to them being literally killed, which is a problem.

I mean, you think about the people who post the home addresses and schedules of abortion doctors. They clearly think the abortion doctors are killing people by the thousands. So they have at least as good an excuse as Liri does to want to try and tell everyone about the nazis. Yet, we look at this as beyond pale, because it can get them literally killed. Well, it can also get the neo nazis literally killed.

This is a super hard problem and one I'm not sure how to address.

When anti-fascists out fascists, from what I've seen, they don't post things like their home address or email or phone number. They'll give their name, employer, and receipts for them being a fascist. The idea isn't that someone will find the fascist and kill them, the idea is that their employer will be shamed by association with them and that they won't be able to be crypto.

Of course, it's entirely possible that posting "Office Surname of Small Town PD is a Nazi [proof.jpg]" is enough information for someone to find Officer Surname and unleash a vicious milkshaking. But I don't think that posting something like that is really on the same level as giving direction to the homes of every employee of a Planned Parenthood clinic and instructions for how to make a Molotov cocktail.

Free Farragoa wrote:I've actually been looking behind nordic culture for a while, and most of the symbols the nazis hijacked are distinct and their interpretations as such can be avoided easily (not using the algis/z rune as a 'life rune' and instead with the more common meaning of protection, nazis draw their odals with feet compared to the original).

This just feel like another move by cancel culturists who think they can just ban their way through these groups instead of attacking the source.

Nothing has happened since 19th June 2018, the last time this was news in Sweden and the symbol the minister was considering banning is the logo of a terrorist organisation.

Why do so many real-life moments have to sound pretty much Pythonesque? Banning Nordic runes in Sweden looks like a good 70s political comedy turned into not-so-great 10s political correctness going mad.

Besides, I don't think this would make Neo-Nazis stop being Neo-Nazis.

Petrolheadia wrote:Why do so many real-life moments have to sound pretty much Pythonesque? Banning Nordic runes in Sweden looks like a good 70s political comedy turned into not-so-great 10s political correctness going mad.

Besides, I don't think this would make Neo-Nazis stop being Neo-Nazis.

Nothing has happened since 19th June 2018, the last time this was news in Sweden and the symbol the minister was considering banning is the logo of a terrorist organisation.

“Let’s van cultural and religious symbolism to deter hate”
That doesn’t sound right, does it?

Okay okay wait a minute... They're actually considering getting rid of the roots of Swedish culture just because a few Nazis think it's pretty neat? Geez, might as well get rid of cereal too, I'm sure thousands of Nazis enjoy it.

This whole thing about getting rid of stuff the far-right """takes""" from society won't fix anything. It only makes the people banning things Nazis use/enjoy the hypocrites and TRUE Nazis for:
1. Making things illegal to do for your political leanings despite it not physically hurting anyone or the country. (Same thing Nazi Germany did to suppress opposition)
2. Actually being stupid enough to believe that since the far-right uses it, no one can. (Good example of this would be the OK hand sign)

So how about instead of banning anything a Nazi touches, try to actually counter it by using it as a symbol of good, or just PLAIN OUT IGNORE THE NAZI TROLLS. Feeding the enemy won't help anyone, it will only hurt those caught in the crossfire. And in the end, Nazis have free speech too, so if they wanna glorify some old Swedish culture in the name of bigotry they're allowed to.