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Postby Risottia » Wed May 22, 2019 10:46 pm

Farnhamia wrote:The swastika pre-dates the Nazis, too, and yet they ruined that once innocuous symbol, too. I understand why they'd want to do this but I don't think it will accomplish much, more's the pity, except to give the Neo-Nazi victims another grievance.

Especially when there's a simpler solution: Identify hate-spreading organisations, disband them and chuck the leaders in jail for subversive activity.
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Postby Hanafuridake » Wed May 22, 2019 10:59 pm

Educate people about the history of runes and use them to bring people together by exploring Swedish culture instead of letting the Nazis claim a propaganda victory by stealing them and claiming they represent real Swedes.
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Postby -Ocelot- » Wed May 22, 2019 11:17 pm

Neo-fascists have ruined pretty much every single ancient symbol, from Nordic runes to the black sun to swastika. They've spoiled and corrupted so many meaningful symbols.

People are going to hate Sweden for considering this but they didn't ruin the runes.

Hanafuridake wrote:Educate people about the history of runes and use them to bring people together by exploring Swedish culture instead of letting the Nazis claim a propaganda victory by stealing them and claiming they represent real Swedes.


Easier said than done. Nazis came into power nearly a century ago and swastika is still known for and used as a nazi/neo-nazi symbol. It's easier than ever to find just how widespread swastika was in ancient civilizations, from India to ancient Greece. And it's still not enough.

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Postby Chan Island » Wed May 22, 2019 11:23 pm

You mean one guy considered banning one stylised version of one rune which is literally the logo of a neo-nazi organisation.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed May 22, 2019 11:24 pm

Liriena wrote:
So… the Swedish Parliament is considering banning Norse runes since they promote “Nazism” and “Hate speech.” What do you think NSG?


I think you did a shit job of fact-checking this story.

lol

It's almost like the spreading of this story is an expression of the 'outrage culture' it pretends to protest.
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Postby Chan Island » Wed May 22, 2019 11:26 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Liriena wrote:
So… the Swedish Parliament is considering banning Norse runes since they promote “Nazism” and “Hate speech.” What do you think NSG?


I think you did a shit job of fact-checking this story.

lol

It's almost like the spreading of this story is an expression of the 'outrage culture' it pretends to protest.


And as if spreading the story actually serves a more malicious intent to portray the enemies of neo-nazies as against their own history or culture in an effort to attract more recruits.
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Conserative Morality wrote:"It's not time yet" is a tactic used by reactionaries in every era. "It's not time for democracy, it's not time for capitalism, it's not time for emancipation." Of course it's not time. It's never time, not on its own. You make it time. If you're under fire in the no-man's land of WW1, you start digging a foxhole even if the ideal time would be when you *aren't* being bombarded, because once you wait for it to be 'time', other situations will need your attention, assuming you survive that long. If the fields aren't furrowed, plow them. If the iron is not hot, make it so. If society is not ready, change it.

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Postby Duhon » Wed May 22, 2019 11:27 pm

Instead of letting assholes claim an fucking writing system for their own warped purposes, why not actually use those goddamn hands and fight back with words? This is not a fucking one-way street.

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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Wed May 22, 2019 11:29 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Liriena wrote:
So… the Swedish Parliament is considering banning Norse runes since they promote “Nazism” and “Hate speech.” What do you think NSG?


I think you did a shit job of fact-checking this story.

lol

It's almost like the spreading of this story is an expression of the 'outrage culture' it pretends to protest.

It also must be a slow news day in the Russian agitation propaganda outlets since this was last news in Sweden back in the summer of 2018. <.< >.>
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Postby Duhon » Wed May 22, 2019 11:30 pm

-Ocelot- wrote:Easier said than done. Nazis came into power nearly a century ago and swastika is still known for and used as a nazi/neo-nazi symbol. It's easier than ever to find just how widespread swastika was in ancient civilizations, from India to ancient Greece. And it's still not enough.


The swastika now being associated not only with Nazism the ideology but with Nazism the destroyer of the European peninsula as well as the instigator of the Holocaust tends to blacken its image. It's not too late for the runes, by contrast.

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Postby USS Monitor » Wed May 22, 2019 11:39 pm

Chan Island wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:lol

It's almost like the spreading of this story is an expression of the 'outrage culture' it pretends to protest.


And as if spreading the story actually serves a more malicious intent to portray the enemies of neo-nazies as against their own history or culture in an effort to attract more recruits.


Yeah, this sounds like deliberate fake news to get people riled up. Friggin' Nazis and their propaganda...
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Postby Scomagia » Wed May 22, 2019 11:42 pm

Duhon wrote:
-Ocelot- wrote:Easier said than done. Nazis came into power nearly a century ago and swastika is still known for and used as a nazi/neo-nazi symbol. It's easier than ever to find just how widespread swastika was in ancient civilizations, from India to ancient Greece. And it's still not enough.


The swastika now being associated not only with Nazism the ideology but with Nazism the destroyer of the European peninsula as well as the instigator of the Holocaust tends to blacken its image. It's not too late for the runes, by contrast.

Only outside of Asia is this true.
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Postby Scomagia » Wed May 22, 2019 11:43 pm

Risottia wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:The swastika pre-dates the Nazis, too, and yet they ruined that once innocuous symbol, too. I understand why they'd want to do this but I don't think it will accomplish much, more's the pity, except to give the Neo-Nazi victims another grievance.

Especially when there's a simpler solution: Identify hate-spreading organisations, disband them and chuck the leaders in jail for subversive activity.

Who's defining "hate" and "hate spreading"? You?
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Postby Chan Island » Wed May 22, 2019 11:47 pm

USS Monitor wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
And as if spreading the story actually serves a more malicious intent to portray the enemies of neo-nazies as against their own history or culture in an effort to attract more recruits.


Yeah, this sounds like deliberate fake news to get people riled up. Friggin' Nazis and their propaganda...


Almost as bad as people who sail in ships called the CSS Virginia ;)

All jokes aside though yup, this should be called out for what it is. This story is an outrage story from last year manufactured by known far-right individuals from the thinnest shreds of evidence- a shred that is entirely reasonable for an individual to want too.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Thu May 23, 2019 12:08 am

Liriena wrote:
So… the Swedish Parliament is considering banning Norse runes since they promote “Nazism” and “Hate speech.” What do you think NSG?


I think you did a shit job of fact-checking this story.


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Postby Risottia » Thu May 23, 2019 12:47 am

Scomagia wrote:
Risottia wrote:Especially when there's a simpler solution: Identify hate-spreading organisations, disband them and chuck the leaders in jail for subversive activity.

Who's defining "hate" and "hate spreading"? You?

Law and the judiciary. Surprised?
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Postby Duhon » Thu May 23, 2019 1:51 am

Scomagia wrote:
Duhon wrote:
The swastika now being associated not only with Nazism the ideology but with Nazism the destroyer of the European peninsula as well as the instigator of the Holocaust tends to blacken its image. It's not too late for the runes, by contrast.

Only outside of Asia is this true.


I live in southeast Asia.

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Ugh. Politics runes everything :(
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Postby Sanctum and Ultima » Thu May 23, 2019 4:19 am

Really? Nazis, can you stop ruining historical stuff?
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 23, 2019 4:21 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Aureumterra wrote:Luckily this hasn’t been enacted yet

So you're up in arms about nothing?

Isn’t that 90% of NSG though?
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The blAAtschApen wrote:Ugh. Politics runes everything :(

That was sheepishly awful
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Postby Thermodolia » Thu May 23, 2019 4:23 am

Liriena wrote:
So… the Swedish Parliament is considering banning Norse runes since they promote “Nazism” and “Hate speech.” What do you think NSG?


I think you did a shit job of fact-checking this story.

OP should add this to the OP
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Postby Andsed » Thu May 23, 2019 4:26 am

Thermodolia wrote:
The blAAtschApen wrote:Ugh. Politics runes everything :(

That was sheepishly awful

God these awful puns really do herd me.
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Postby Sanctum and Ultima » Thu May 23, 2019 4:35 am

Andsed wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:That was sheepishly awful

Got these awful puns really do herd me.

I know reich?
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Postby Feudal Bulgaria » Thu May 23, 2019 5:07 am

Risottia wrote:
Scomagia wrote:Who's defining "hate" and "hate spreading"? You?

Law and the judiciary. Surprised?

Law and judiciary have always been controlled by corrupted politicians anywhere.Suprised?

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