Sweden considering banning Nordic runes to deter hate

[Liriena]

This sort of shit is why anyone who is a "pro-free speech absolutist" should be treated like an uninformed party in need of a crash course on fact-checking.

So, you're on board with erasing history and controlling what people say?

If you gotta strawman me to save your sorry excuse for an OP, maybe you should take a moment to introspect.

Google translated from my source:
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/1k ... as-hardare

Among other things, it is about how to look at so-called Tyrrunor, a symbol used by a now active neo-Nazi movement in Sweden.
- We want to review the racist symbols used, like the Tyrrunan. The crochet hook is after all forbidden, so says Morgan Johansson.

So... one rune. Not "runes", plural. And not even a "Nordic" rune, but a well-established neo-nazi logo that happens to contain a version of a rune.

[Nova Cyberia]

>tfw you ban symbols of your own history to combat "hate"

[Nakena]

nvm

[Aureumterra]

Regardless, it's foolish to ban it considering it existed far before the Nazis took hold of it.

And besides, what would banning it do anyway? They'll just switch to another symbol.

Then we can just ban that symbol.

Hey, if we can convince the Nazis to use the hammer and sickle, maybe that can get banned in Sweden as well

[Liriena]

That is pretty silly TBH. I mean unless Neo Nazis are actually using Nordic Runes as symbols than this just feels like an overreaction.

I mean, yeah, they are. Even elsewhere they are.

And in this particular case, the government is considering banning the specific rune used in a specific neo-nazi group's logo.

[Salus Maior]

So, you're on board with erasing history and controlling what people say?

If you gotta strawman me to save your sorry excuse for an OP, maybe you should take a moment to introspect.

Google translated from my source:
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/1k ... as-hardare

Among other things, it is about how to look at so-called Tyrrunor, a symbol used by a now active neo-Nazi movement in Sweden.
- We want to review the racist symbols used, like the Tyrrunan. The crochet hook is after all forbidden, so says Morgan Johansson.

So... one rune. Not "runes", plural. And not even a "Nordic" rune, but a well-established neo-nazi logo that happens to contain a version of a rune.

Again, what's banning it actually going to accomplish?

They'll just switch to another symbol, and you'll piss off other people who use the symbol.

[Scomagia]

The swastika pre-dates the Nazis, too, and yet they ruined that once innocuous symbol, too. I understand why they'd want to do this but I don't think it will accomplish much, more's the pity, except to give the Neo-Nazi victims another grievance.

No, they didn't. The swastika still gets used in Asia for its original meaning. The swastika was only "ruined" for societies that had never or barely been exposed to it in its original context.

[Salus Maior]

Regardless, it's foolish to ban it considering it existed far before the Nazis took hold of it.

And besides, what would banning it do anyway? They'll just switch to another symbol.

Then we can just ban that symbol.

Genius.

It'll be like tag, but with the destruction of free speech.

[Liriena]

Its the writing system of the original nordic civilizations centuries ago, why ban it? How does it spread hate? Is it because its a cultural construct from a WHITE civilization that it gets banned?

It's like you just read the title and nothing else.

[Aureumterra]

The swastika pre-dates the Nazis, too, and yet they ruined that once innocuous symbol, too. I understand why they'd want to do this but I don't think it will accomplish much, more's the pity, except to give the Neo-Nazi victims another grievance.

No, they didn't. The swastika still gets used in Asia for its original meaning. The swastika was only "ruined" for societies that had never or barely been exposed to it in its original context.

Confirming, having been to India, people have swastikas on their front door

[Nova Cyberia]

Then we can just ban that symbol.

Genius.

It'll be like tag, but with the destruction of free speech.

It's Europe. Banning speech is one of their great pastimes.

[Liriena]

If you gotta strawman me to save your sorry excuse for an OP, maybe you should take a moment to introspect.

Google translated from my source:
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/1k ... as-hardare

Among other things, it is about how to look at so-called Tyrrunor, a symbol used by a now active neo-Nazi movement in Sweden.
- We want to review the racist symbols used, like the Tyrrunan. The crochet hook is after all forbidden, so says Morgan Johansson.

So... one rune. Not "runes", plural. And not even a "Nordic" rune, but a well-established neo-nazi logo that happens to contain a version of a rune.

Again, what's banning it actually going to accomplish?

That question has nothing to do with my argument and, to be frank, I'm not particularly interested by it.

I don't support banning it. If the symbol is used by a neo-nazi group, just wreck that neo-nazi group's shit until there's nothing left of it. No group, no symbol.

They'll just switch to another symbol, and you'll piss off other people who use the symbol.

I'm pretty sure nobody else is using the symbol, and forcing them to switch to another symbol undermines their identity and their ability to organize.

[Nakena]

And the moral of the story: Don't use russian sauce ;^)

I gave a Swedish source dude

I think we're geting closer to the corpus delicti.

I believe this is the one thats being talked about. Arrow up one in square.

[Inkopolitia]

So, you're on board with erasing history and controlling what people say?

If you gotta strawman me to save your sorry excuse for an OP, maybe you should take a moment to introspect.

Google translated from my source:
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/1k ... as-hardare

Among other things, it is about how to look at so-called Tyrrunor, a symbol used by a now active neo-Nazi movement in Sweden.
- We want to review the racist symbols used, like the Tyrrunan. The crochet hook is after all forbidden, so says Morgan Johansson.

So... one rune. Not "runes", plural. And not even a "Nordic" rune, but a well-established neo-nazi logo that happens to contain a version of a rune.

And? Does that change my point? No. It's still a part of Nordic history that is being erased. By the way, the people behind the organization will just switch the symbol. Wait, we can also ban that one, and the next one they use, until we end up banning all of the runes?

[Liriena]

And the moral of the story: Don't use russian sauce ;^)

I gave a Swedish source dude

Your Swedish source is the far right publication that started this piece of fake news. It's not a corroborating source.

[Salus Maior]

I'm pretty sure nobody else is using the symbol, and forcing them to switch to another symbol undermines their identity and their ability to organize.

I'm sure neo-pagans use the Tyr rune considering he's one of their gods. And people interested in the rune for other reasons shouldn't run into a government block just because some skinheads have appropriated it.

And according to the article, they're one of the pissed off parties.

[Aureumterra]

I gave a Swedish source dude

I think we're geting closer to the corpus delicti.

I believe this is the one thats being talked about. Arrow up one in square.

That’s tyr, and you support banning it? Tyr was believed to be the god of war but also the god of justice and judgement

Ironic isn’t it? Point being, don’t go banning core parts of our history because some alt right group nobody cares about is using it

[Uiiop]

I have chome. I already translated this. My skepticism remains.

How is that supposed to help?
They already view the source as full of shit. How would translating that "Shit" somehow convince them?

Once you’ve made up your mind about something, I guess there’s no changing it

We actually did research on your sources.
You looked over what people actually said and brought up(If you read the twitter thread instead of dismissing it you would have made the whole "here's another source " move) and made arguments no one you quoted made.
A closed mind can't open other close minds. All i'm saying really.

[Thyrgga]

I'm pretty sure nobody else is using the symbol, and forcing them to switch to another symbol undermines their identity and their ability to organize.

I'm sure neo-pagans use the Tyr rune considering he's one of their gods. And people interested in the rune for other reasons shouldn't run into a government block just because some skinheads have appropriated it.

And according to the article, they're one of the pissed off parties.

If leftists continue along this path, the entirety of Sweden will be full of far-rightists.

[Galloism]

Then we can just ban that symbol.

Genius.

It'll be like tag, but with the destruction of free speech.

What could possibly go wrong?

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm pretty sure nobody else is using the symbol, and forcing them to switch to another symbol undermines their identity and their ability to organize.

Germanic neo-pagans do all the time, and they've been having a long fight with Neo-Nazis over the symbols and outright banning them is super shitty.

[Liriena]

If you gotta strawman me to save your sorry excuse for an OP, maybe you should take a moment to introspect.

Google translated from my source:
https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/1k ... as-hardare

Among other things, it is about how to look at so-called Tyrrunor, a symbol used by a now active neo-Nazi movement in Sweden.
- We want to review the racist symbols used, like the Tyrrunan. The crochet hook is after all forbidden, so says Morgan Johansson.

So... one rune. Not "runes", plural. And not even a "Nordic" rune, but a well-established neo-nazi logo that happens to contain a version of a rune.

And? Does that change my point?

"Change" your point? No.
Does it reveal it to be a point built on shoddy information, laziness and gullibility? Yes.

It's still a part of Nordic history that is being erased.

No, it's not. It's a neo-nazi logo that's being banned. All actual Nordic runes will still be present in historical texts and historical artifacts and, I imagine, school textbooks.

By the way, the people behind the organization will just switch the symbol. Wait, we can also ban that one, and the next one they use, until we end up banning all of the runes?

Your slippery slope fallacy is duly noted.

[Nakena]

I think we're geting closer to the corpus delicti.

I believe this is the one thats being talked about. Arrow up one in square.

That’s tyr, and you support banning it? Tyr was believed to be the god of war but also the god of justice and judgement

Ironic isn’t it? Point being, don’t go banning core parts of our history because some alt right group nobody cares about is using it

No. I don't. In fact I have just begun looking into the matter.

[Uiiop]

I'm pretty sure nobody else is using the symbol, and forcing them to switch to another symbol undermines their identity and their ability to organize.

I'm sure neo-pagans use the Tyr rune considering he's one of their gods. And people interested in the rune for other reasons shouldn't run into a government block just because some skinheads have appropriated it.

And according to the article, they're one of the pissed off parties.

Didn't he already mention it was only one version of the rune and not all forms of the rune?

[Liriena]

I'm pretty sure nobody else is using the symbol, and forcing them to switch to another symbol undermines their identity and their ability to organize.

Germanic neo-pagans do all the time, and they've been having a long fight with Neo-Nazis over the symbols and outright banning them is super shitty.

I hadn't considered non-nazi neo-pagans.

Anyway, as I said, I don't support banning the symbol. Just eradicate the group.