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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue May 21, 2019 11:26 am

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Thermodolia wrote:Polls are a thing mate. And according to them 67% of Americans approve of gay marriage/consider it normal. Out of all 50 states only Alabama and Mississippi have a majority or plurality against. Alabama with 52% against and Mississippi with 48% against


Polls are also typically deceptive.

More than what some guy at a computer says?
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Postby Thermodolia » Tue May 21, 2019 11:27 am

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The Lone Alliance wrote:Bad comparison considering the news media does that all the time.

The news media censors by omission all the time, that's half the reason people are beginning to love Alternative media so much, they report on the things the normal media doesn't want to report on because it might offend people who are their target audience.


And Alternative media gets facts wrong or otherwise reports on half truths creating echo chambers.

But that wasn't the question anyway, it was "Should a news network not air a peace of news that wouldn't go over well with there target audience?"

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Postby Ors Might » Tue May 21, 2019 11:27 am

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Ors Might wrote:Huh. Kinda expected Arkansas to be one of them.

Arkansas is actually about 52% for same as Georgia

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue May 21, 2019 11:28 am

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Polls are also typically deceptive.

More than what some guy at a computer says?


In claims? No. In effect? Yes.
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue May 21, 2019 11:30 am

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Petrolheadia wrote:More than what some guy at a computer says?


In claims? No. In effect? Yes.


Nah. The internet and it's many echo chambers are way worse then any poll.

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Postby LiberNovusAmericae » Tue May 21, 2019 11:30 am

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Interesting. So the APT is even more independent of the CPB and PBS than other state affiliations of PBS

Assuming no other state grants funding like that, yes.

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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue May 21, 2019 11:30 am

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And Alternative media gets facts wrong or otherwise reports on half truths creating echo chambers.

But that wasn't the question anyway, it was "Should a news network not air a peace of news that wouldn't go over well with there target audience?"

Its piece not peace

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Postby Necroghastia » Tue May 21, 2019 11:34 am

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Yes but it would still be omitting the episodes information from anyone who wanted to watch it on APT.

And again considering that 52% of Alabamans don’t like gay marriage, I don’t think they’ll care


That's still roughly half of us that aren't stuck in the 1800s, though.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue May 21, 2019 11:35 am

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
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In claims? No. In effect? Yes.


Nah. The internet and it's many echo chambers are way worse then any poll.


Typically however, they don't actually have any real authority to lean upon. Whereas people like to present polls as absolute truth.

Hell, just an example from the Pew poll on Gay Marriage, people who respond 'I don't know.' aren't counted at all. Which presents a false yes no dichotomy on a complex issue.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Tue May 21, 2019 11:36 am

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That it exists as part of normal life?


It's something that happens, but I wouldn't say its normal.


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Postby Thermodolia » Tue May 21, 2019 11:43 am

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Nah. The internet and it's many echo chambers are way worse then any poll.


Typically however, they don't actually have any real authority to lean upon. Whereas people like to present polls as absolute truth.

Hell, just an example from the Pew poll on Gay Marriage, people who respond 'I don't know.' aren't counted at all. Which presents a false yes no dichotomy on a complex issue.

Actually those who said I don’t know are counted. Especially when the numbers are close enough to make pluralities a thing
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Postby The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp » Tue May 21, 2019 11:45 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Bear Stearns wrote:
It's something that happens, but I wouldn't say its normal.


Don't worry. They have vaccines for gay cooties.


But vaccines for gay cooties give you autism! :O

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The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
Nah. The internet and it's many echo chambers are way worse then any poll.


Typically however, they don't actually have any real authority to lean upon. Whereas people like to present polls as absolute truth.

Hell, just an example from the Pew poll on Gay Marriage, people who respond 'I don't know.' aren't counted at all. Which presents a false yes no dichotomy on a complex issue.


They make cults of personalty and use angry youtubers and commenters to attack any desentors. So they do have authority.

Polls are based in reason, some guy on the internet is most often not based in reason.

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Postby Petrolheadia » Tue May 21, 2019 11:46 am

Thermodolia wrote:
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Typically however, they don't actually have any real authority to lean upon. Whereas people like to present polls as absolute truth.

Hell, just an example from the Pew poll on Gay Marriage, people who respond 'I don't know.' aren't counted at all. Which presents a false yes no dichotomy on a complex issue.

Actually those who said I don’t know are counted. Especially when the numbers are close enough to make pluralities a thing
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Even the TLDR version of it posted here would suggest that - Mississipi was stated to have majority disapproval at 48%.
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Do they? Have you spoken to 100% of Americans to discover this fact?

Polls are a thing mate. And according to them 67% of Americans approve of gay marriage/consider it normal. Out of all 50 states only Alabama and Mississippi have a majority or plurality against. Alabama with 52% against and Mississippi with 48% against
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Postby The Lone Alliance » Tue May 21, 2019 11:59 am

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The Lone Alliance wrote:Bad comparison considering the news media does that all the time.

The news media censors by omission all the time, that's half the reason people are beginning to love Alternative media so much, they report on the things the normal media doesn't want to report on because it might offend people who are their target audience.


And Alternative media gets facts wrong or otherwise reports on half truths creating echo chambers.

But that wasn't the question anyway, it was "Should a news network not air a peace of news that wouldn't go over well with there target audience?"

Yet by reporting only facts their fans support the mainstream media also creates echo chambers.

I'm also saying it's not a should because it's something they actively do, and APT is just doing the exact same thing they do.

It's not a good thing but as long as CNN censors anything that they know their fans don't like, and as long as Fox censors by omission things their fans don't like, why in the world do you think APT would be immune seeing how it's very tiny fish that could have their funding pulled by their state if their state gets mad at them.

Remember this is a state that just passed an extreme abortion ban, you really think that if they didn't choose too they could cut APT's funding to whatever quarters they find in the state capital's vending machine?
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Postby Dazchan » Tue May 21, 2019 12:52 pm

The Derpy Democratic Republic Of Herp wrote:
The Lone Alliance wrote:Bad comparison considering the news media does that all the time.

The news media censors by omission all the time, that's half the reason people are beginning to love Alternative media so much, they report on the things the normal media doesn't want to report on because it might offend people who are their target audience.


And Alternative media gets facts wrong or otherwise reports on half truths creating echo chambers.

But that wasn't the question anyway, it was "Should a news network not air a peace of news that wouldn't go over well with there target audience?"


An interesting tidbit: The FCC almost didn’t renew APT’s broadcast license in the 70s for doing exactly that. It didn’t matter that news about the war could be found elsewhere, APT refusing to air it was still deemed censorship.
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Postby Totaler Krieg Division » Tue May 21, 2019 12:54 pm

With any small amount of luck APT will keep it up and not bend the knee.

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Postby Necroghastia » Tue May 21, 2019 1:16 pm

Totaler Krieg Division wrote:With any small amount of luck APT will keep it up and not bend the knee.


Bend the knee to... what, exactly?
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Postby Maydona » Tue May 21, 2019 1:23 pm

Imagine being so petty that you wouldn't air two gay fictional characters kissing, how is Alabama not a theocracy when the religious right have complete control of the government there?
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Necroghastia wrote:
Totaler Krieg Division wrote:With any small amount of luck APT will keep it up and not bend the knee.


Bend the knee to... what, exactly?


Liberal societal influences.

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Postby Diopolis » Tue May 21, 2019 1:28 pm

Maydona wrote:Imagine being so petty that you wouldn't air two gay fictional characters kissing, how is Alabama not a theocracy when the religious right have complete control of the government there?

This isn't the government forbidding a scene containing homosexuality. This is a broadcasting company deciding not to air an episode of their flagship program that they know will offend a large part of their viewership.
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Postby Maydona » Tue May 21, 2019 1:34 pm

Diopolis wrote:This isn't the government forbidding a scene containing homosexuality. This is a broadcasting company deciding not to air an episode of their flagship program that they know will offend a large part of their viewership.

Ah I stand corrected but even then how petty do you have to be to get offended by something as trivial as two gay fictional characters? Like no one was going to force anyone to watch the episode and if it did air you could just change the channel, there's literally no point in banning it.
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Maydona wrote:Imagine being so petty that you wouldn't air two gay fictional characters kissing, how is Alabama not a theocracy when the religious right have complete control of the government there?

This isn't the government forbidding a scene containing homosexuality. This is a broadcasting company deciding not to air an episode of their flagship program that they know will offend a large part of their viewership.

You do realize that children shows have for a very long time had characters that where politically not accepted. There was a kid on Sesame street with HIV as an example. There was a show in arthur that was about trauma after a fire. The show was aired not long after 9-11.
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Maydona wrote:
Diopolis wrote:This isn't the government forbidding a scene containing homosexuality. This is a broadcasting company deciding not to air an episode of their flagship program that they know will offend a large part of their viewership.

Ah I stand corrected but even then how petty do you have to be to get offended by something as trivial as two gay fictional characters? Like no one was going to force anyone to watch the episode and if it did air you could just change the channel, there's literally no point in banning it.

Most people who are opposed to homosexuality don't like the idea of homosexuality being presented to children.
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Postby Gormwood » Tue May 21, 2019 1:38 pm

Bear Stearns wrote:Literally, what is the point of showing homosexuality in children's cartoons?

True, better to have cartoons showing gays getting beat up and declared abnormal. /s
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Postby Maydona » Tue May 21, 2019 1:42 pm

Diopolis wrote:Most people who are opposed to homosexuality don't like the idea of homosexuality being presented to children.


Why? It's not like they're showcasing hardcore porn, it's just two characters getting married. Also why the double standard of allowing straight couples but not gay couples?
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