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Postby Gormwood » Tue May 21, 2019 9:38 am

Ors Might wrote:
Gormwood wrote:The island of Tuvalu is turning into Atlantis because of climate change, forcing its inhabitants into exile and people still don't give a shit.

But complaining about a rat will be different because..?

So nothing short of banks sinking will make people give a shit. Just great.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue May 21, 2019 9:38 am

Eh. It was a useless rat.
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Postby Ors Might » Tue May 21, 2019 9:38 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Might be more useful to explain to people how shocks to ecosystems, extinctions for example, could negatively impact humanity. There’s little reason to give a shit about non-human species that aren’t valuable to us in some way.

or just care about every species instead of being so selfish, Amazing concept i know. Thinking like this makes me wish dinosaurs never went extinct

Why should we care about every species? Is every species of the utmost importance to their ecosystem and humanity as a whole?

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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 21, 2019 9:39 am

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:or just care about every species instead of being so selfish, Amazing concept i know. Thinking like this makes me wish dinosaurs never went extinct

Why should we care about every species? Is every species of the utmost importance to their ecosystem and humanity as a whole?

Yes it is. Everything is interconnected.

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Postby Ors Might » Tue May 21, 2019 9:39 am

Gormwood wrote:
Ors Might wrote:But complaining about a rat will be different because..?

So nothing short of banks sinking will make people give a shit. Just great.

Yeah. Making it personal for the people you want to convince is a better plan than rat dying.

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Postby Ors Might » Tue May 21, 2019 9:40 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Why should we care about every species? Is every species of the utmost importance to their ecosystem and humanity as a whole?

Yes it is. Everything is interconnected.

So what damage was done by this rat going extinct?

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Postby Gormwood » Tue May 21, 2019 9:40 am

Ors Might wrote:
Gormwood wrote:So nothing short of banks sinking will make people give a shit. Just great.

Yeah. Making it personal for the people you want to convince is a better plan than rat dying.

By the time it gets to a point it becomes personal it's fucking too late, we're living in Waterworld.
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue May 21, 2019 9:41 am

Gormwood wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Yeah. Making it personal for the people you want to convince is a better plan than rat dying.

By the time it gets to a point it becomes personal it's fucking too late, we're living in Waterworld.


Honestly, waterworld would be badass.
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Postby Ors Might » Tue May 21, 2019 9:42 am

Gormwood wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Yeah. Making it personal for the people you want to convince is a better plan than rat dying.

By the time it gets to a point it becomes personal it's fucking too late, we're living in Waterworld.

So then we gotta work a little harder and stop whining that people are stubborn and take effort to convince.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 21, 2019 9:43 am

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:Yes it is. Everything is interconnected.

So what damage was done by this rat going extinct?


Why are you being so selfish? Who needs the Amazon? Lets cut it down for farmland or wood.

who needs birds? What purpose do they serve?

Sometime in the near distant future:

Child: Grandpa/Grandma what are birds and fish?

Grandpa/Grandma: Birds were creatures who flew in the sky and made nests in trees, sang beautiful songs and came in many sizes ands colors but we destroyed their homes to build cookie cutter housing. Fish swam in the ocean and came in many shapes and sizing but due to demand for food we oversfished and made them go extinct but i didnt care then nor did others. I’m sorry for the terrible world you inherited. I wish things could have been different for you.”
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Postby Gormwood » Tue May 21, 2019 9:43 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
Gormwood wrote:By the time it gets to a point it becomes personal it's fucking too late, we're living in Waterworld.


Honestly, waterworld would be badass.

You want to live in one of the shittiest movies in history...
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue May 21, 2019 9:45 am

Gormwood wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Honestly, waterworld would be badass.

You want to live in one of the shittiest movies in history...


Pfff. You act like it was the Last Jedi.
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Postby Ors Might » Tue May 21, 2019 9:45 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:So what damage was done by this rat going extinct?


Why are you being so selfish? Who needs the Amazon? Lets cut it down for farmland or wood.

who needs birds? What purpose do they serve?

Sometime in the near distant future:

Child: Grandpa/Grandma what are birds and fish?

Grandpa/Grandma: Birds were creatures who flew in the sky and made nests in trees, sang beautiful songs and came in many sizes ands colors but we destroyed their homes to build cookie cutter housing. Fish swam in the ocean and came in many shapes and sizing but due to demand for food we oversfished and made them go extinct but i didnt care then nor did others. I’m sorry for the terrible world you inherited. I wish things could have been different for you.”

Trees are objectively beneficial for nearly every living being on this planet. Deforestation is an actual problem when we don’t replace them.

Now, what problem does the extinction of an obscure rodent on an island pose to the rest of the world?

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Postby Paradeavenlisian States » Tue May 21, 2019 9:46 am

Ors Might wrote:
Gormwood wrote:What people dismiss when it's A Fucking Rat they will act shocked with when it moves up to polar bears and beyond.

Might be more useful to explain to people how shocks to ecosystems, extinctions for example, could negatively impact humanity. There’s little reason to give a shit about non-human species that aren’t valuable to us in some way.

Well, for starters, without worms, soil fertility wouldn't be as good due to the lack of nutrients being spread, therefore, meaning that the crops wouldn't be as easy to grow and therefore, along with the lack of meat, there would be quite a huge famine crisis. In addition, ants recycle the nutrients found in the soil which is vital for plants to grow and they actually increase the yield of wheat, crops, coffee and even chocolate. Also, without bees, we certainly wouldn't exist(yes, even Albert Einstein remarked this), as they actually produce quite a lot of food. In addition, a lot of crops are VERY reliant on pollination(which bees tend to do). Also, every species has a role to play in its surrounding ecosystem and environment and a lot of the time, without one of those, it could ruin the chain as shown when wolves were erradicated from Yellowstone National Park but then reintroduced:https://www.yellowstonepark.com/things-to-do/wolf-reintroduction-changes-ecosystem

So, therefore, without non-human species, we would all be doomed no matter what.

San Lumen wrote:Trees are objectively beneficial for nearly every living being on this planet. Deforestation is an actual problem when we don’t replace them.

Now, what problem does the extinction of an obscure rodent on an island pose to the rest of the world?

And, in addition, trees actually PRODUCE oxygen and breath in carbon dioxide, and if deforestation continues at this rate, then there would be less trees to get rid of the carbon dioxide. Oh, and they actually produce medicine too which can help combat a variety of illnesses.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 21, 2019 9:47 am

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Why are you being so selfish? Who needs the Amazon? Lets cut it down for farmland or wood.

who needs birds? What purpose do they serve?

Sometime in the near distant future:

Child: Grandpa/Grandma what are birds and fish?

Grandpa/Grandma: Birds were creatures who flew in the sky and made nests in trees, sang beautiful songs and came in many sizes ands colors but we destroyed their homes to build cookie cutter housing. Fish swam in the ocean and came in many shapes and sizing but due to demand for food we oversfished and made them go extinct but i didnt care then nor did others. I’m sorry for the terrible world you inherited. I wish things could have been different for you.”

Trees are objectively beneficial for nearly every living being on this planet. Deforestation is an actual problem when we don’t replace them.

Now, what problem does the extinction of an obscure rodent on an island pose to the rest of the world?

food for other species perhaps. What purpose to rhinos, hippos, elephants or hawks serve?

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue May 21, 2019 9:47 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:So what damage was done by this rat going extinct?


Why are you being so selfish? Who needs the Amazon? Lets cut it down for farmland or wood.

who needs birds? What purpose do they serve?

Sometime in the near distant future:

Child: Grandpa/Grandma what are birds and fish?

Grandpa/Grandma: Birds were creatures who flew in the sky and made nests in trees, sang beautiful songs and came in many sizes ands colors but we destroyed their homes to build cookie cutter housing. Fish swam in the ocean and came in many shapes and sizing but due to demand for food we oversfished and made them go extinct but i didnt care then nor did others. I’m sorry for the terrible world you inherited. I wish things could have been different for you.”


Birds don't sing beautiful songs. They make annoying chirping noises.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 21, 2019 9:49 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Why are you being so selfish? Who needs the Amazon? Lets cut it down for farmland or wood.

who needs birds? What purpose do they serve?

Sometime in the near distant future:

Child: Grandpa/Grandma what are birds and fish?

Grandpa/Grandma: Birds were creatures who flew in the sky and made nests in trees, sang beautiful songs and came in many sizes ands colors but we destroyed their homes to build cookie cutter housing. Fish swam in the ocean and came in many shapes and sizing but due to demand for food we oversfished and made them go extinct but i didnt care then nor did others. I’m sorry for the terrible world you inherited. I wish things could have been different for you.”


Birds don't sing beautiful songs. They make annoying chirping noises.


Yeah who needs them? They cut into the quiet of my street with their white picket fences and cookie cutter housing.

You like others are very selfish

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Postby The Emerald Legion » Tue May 21, 2019 9:50 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
Birds don't sing beautiful songs. They make annoying chirping noises.


Yeah who needs them? They cut into the quiet of my street with their white picket fences and cookie cutter housing.

You like others are very selfish


You have a very strange idea as to how I live.
"I must play this game by my rules/ I will conquer the world with my tools/ All my machines are made for destruction/ I will build my empire/ I will succeed and you will see/ With my machines there is no retreat." ~ E.G.G.M.A.N.
I frequently lapse into self parody, that isn't to say that I don't have extreme views, just that I occasionally go over the top for comedic effect.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 21, 2019 9:51 am

The Emerald Legion wrote:
San Lumen wrote:
Yeah who needs them? They cut into the quiet of my street with their white picket fences and cookie cutter housing.

You like others are very selfish


You have a very strange idea as to how I live.

Thinking like your makes me believe Thanos had the right idea in Infinity War.

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Postby Ors Might » Tue May 21, 2019 9:52 am

Paradeavenlisian States wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Might be more useful to explain to people how shocks to ecosystems, extinctions for example, could negatively impact humanity. There’s little reason to give a shit about non-human species that aren’t valuable to us in some way.

Well, for starters, without worms, soil fertility wouldn't be as good due to the lack of nutrients being spread, therefore, meaning that the crops wouldn't be as easy to grow and therefore, along with the lack of meat, there would be quite a huge famine crisis. In addition, ants recycle the nutrients found in the soil which is vital for plants to grow and they actually increase the yield of wheat, crops, coffee and even chocolate. Also, without bees, we certainly wouldn't exist(yes, even Albert Einstein remarked this), as they actually produce quite a lot of food. In addition, a lot of crops are VERY reliant on pollination(which bees tend to do). Also, every species has a role to play in its surrounding ecosystem and environment. So, therefore, without non-human species, we would all be doomed no matter what.

San Lumen wrote:Trees are objectively beneficial for nearly every living being on this planet. Deforestation is an actual problem when we don’t replace them.

Now, what problem does the extinction of an obscure rodent on an island pose to the rest of the world?

And, in addition, trees actually PRODUCE oxygen and breath in carbon dioxide, and if deforestation continues at this rate, then there would be less trees to get rid of the carbon dioxide. Oh, and they actually produce medicine too which can help combat a variety of illnesses.

I agree. Environmentalism will start to really catch on once environmentalidtd start focusing on the practical benefits to preserving nature rather as opposed to capitalizing on kneejerk emotional responses.

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:Trees are objectively beneficial for nearly every living being on this planet. Deforestation is an actual problem when we don’t replace them.

Now, what problem does the extinction of an obscure rodent on an island pose to the rest of the world?

food for other species perhaps. What purpose to rhinos, hippos, elephants or hawks serve?

They were unlikely an important food source given how fragile their species as a while was. Otherwise, they’d have gone extinct a while ago.

You know, by pointing out how some species serve no purpose but providing you opportunities to grandstand, you’re not doing those species any favors

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Postby Ors Might » Tue May 21, 2019 9:53 am

San Lumen wrote:
The Emerald Legion wrote:
You have a very strange idea as to how I live.

Thinking like your makes me believe Thanos had the right idea in Infinity War.

As persuasive as always Lumen.

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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 21, 2019 9:54 am

Ors Might wrote:
Paradeavenlisian States wrote:Well, for starters, without worms, soil fertility wouldn't be as good due to the lack of nutrients being spread, therefore, meaning that the crops wouldn't be as easy to grow and therefore, along with the lack of meat, there would be quite a huge famine crisis. In addition, ants recycle the nutrients found in the soil which is vital for plants to grow and they actually increase the yield of wheat, crops, coffee and even chocolate. Also, without bees, we certainly wouldn't exist(yes, even Albert Einstein remarked this), as they actually produce quite a lot of food. In addition, a lot of crops are VERY reliant on pollination(which bees tend to do). Also, every species has a role to play in its surrounding ecosystem and environment. So, therefore, without non-human species, we would all be doomed no matter what.


And, in addition, trees actually PRODUCE oxygen and breath in carbon dioxide, and if deforestation continues at this rate, then there would be less trees to get rid of the carbon dioxide. Oh, and they actually produce medicine too which can help combat a variety of illnesses.

I agree. Environmentalism will start to really catch on once environmentalidtd start focusing on the practical benefits to preserving nature rather as opposed to capitalizing on kneejerk emotional responses.

San Lumen wrote:food for other species perhaps. What purpose to rhinos, hippos, elephants or hawks serve?

They were unlikely an important food source given how fragile their species as a while was. Otherwise, they’d have gone extinct a while ago.

You know, by pointing out how some species serve no purpose but providing you opportunities to grandstand, you’re not doing those species any favors

So in other words if they dont benefit us who cares if they go extinct? Thinking like this makes me agree with Thanos in Infinity War. Humans are destroying this planet and by the time people realize it it will be too late.

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Postby Ors Might » Tue May 21, 2019 9:57 am

San Lumen wrote:
Ors Might wrote:I agree. Environmentalism will start to really catch on once environmentalidtd start focusing on the practical benefits to preserving nature rather as opposed to capitalizing on kneejerk emotional responses.


They were unlikely an important food source given how fragile their species as a while was. Otherwise, they’d have gone extinct a while ago.

You know, by pointing out how some species serve no purpose but providing you opportunities to grandstand, you’re not doing those species any favors

So in other words if they dont benefit us who cares if they go extinct? Thinking like this makes me agree with Thanos in Infinity War. Humans are destroying this planet and by the time people realize it it will be too late.

Destroying the planet will harm us. Until we manage to perfect space travel and terraforming, we’re stuck on this rock. So it’s in our best interest to make it last as long as we can.

Focus on that and you might get somewhere in the wider debate.

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Postby Drongonia » Tue May 21, 2019 9:57 am

Personally I'm not buying it until there's inexplicable proof that it is linked to climate change. In the report they use the word "might".
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 21, 2019 9:58 am

Ors Might wrote:
San Lumen wrote:So in other words if they dont benefit us who cares if they go extinct? Thinking like this makes me agree with Thanos in Infinity War. Humans are destroying this planet and by the time people realize it it will be too late.

Destroying the planet will harm us. Until we manage to perfect space travel and terraforming, we’re stuck on this rock. So it’s in our best interest to make it last as long as we can.

Focus on that and you might get somewhere in the wider debate.

How about we stop focusing on something that wont be possible for centuries and care about the rock we live on?

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