Iran vs the US Thread

[Diopolis]

For the life of me, I’ve never been able to understand why the US has such a compelling interest in a desert on the other side of the world that we already invaded two countries.
I certainly don’t see any reason to invade a third.

[Scomagia]

Iran: Screams “Death to America” in government

Pacifists: Iran means no harm, now Saudi is the REAL problem
sounds legit

I’m no pacifist yet I realize that KSA is a real problem, one that’s bigger than Iran. Iran might scream “death to America” but the KSA actually finds it

Is KSA currently threatening to attack US assets?

[Scomagia]

For the life of me, I’ve never been able to understand why the US has such a compelling interest in a desert on the other side of the world that we already invaded two countries.
I certainly don’t see any reason to invade a third.

If they attack us like they've been threatening, that seems like reason enough.

[Diopolis]

For the life of me, I’ve never been able to understand why the US has such a compelling interest in a desert on the other side of the world that we already invaded two countries.
I certainly don’t see any reason to invade a third.

If they attack us like they've been threatening, that seems like reason enough.

Yes, but see, they haven’t done that.

[Scomagia]

If they attack us like they've been threatening, that seems like reason enough.

Yes, but see, they haven’t done that.

And we aren't at war. See how simple that is? They threaten, we threaten, and it goes on like that until they actually start some shit. I love the America haters pretending like we're just going to go fuck up Iran without provocation or something. It's so silly.

[Kowani]

Yes, but see, they haven’t done that.

And we aren't at war. See how simple that is? They threaten, we threaten, and it goes on like that until they actually start some shit. I love the America haters pretending like we're just going to go fuck up Iran without provocation or something. It's so silly.

To be fair, America’s done that before.

[Aclion]

Yes, but see, they haven’t done that.

And we aren't at war. See how simple that is? They threaten, we threaten, and it goes on like that until they actually start some shit. I love the America haters pretending like we're just going to go fuck up Iran without provocation or something. It's so silly.

Well a major war is the only way the can hope to avoid a pounding in the next election.

[Thermodolia]

I’m no pacifist yet I realize that KSA is a real problem, one that’s bigger than Iran. Iran might scream “death to America” but the KSA actually finds it

Is KSA currently threatening to attack US assets?

They have in the past. AQ got a lot of funding from those bastards

[Thermodolia]

For the life of me, I’ve never been able to understand why the US has such a compelling interest in a desert on the other side of the world that we already invaded two countries.
I certainly don’t see any reason to invade a third.

If they attack us like they've been threatening, that seems like reason enough.

They’ve threatened us for the last 30+ years. They aren’t going to do shit. It’s a move to keep themselves in power because the idea is that they can focus anger at a foreign target instead of themselves

[Zhivotnoye]

The Iranian people are largely disapproving of their government and have always been. Those who overthrew Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi were a weak minority then and still are a weak minority to this day. I believe pressing the Iranian people into action will be much more effective and much less destabilizing for the country - Iranians know their country and government better, and with foreign backing can easily overthrow their unloved government. They may very well be able to do so legally and without violence, which is ultimately the preferred outcome and certainly not something an invading army can accomplish. If they succeed they may very well be able to return to the prosperous times they enjoyed under the reign of the Pahlavi Dynasty or perhaps even greater.

I truely wonder where you get this nonsense from.

[Thermodolia]

And we aren't at war. See how simple that is? They threaten, we threaten, and it goes on like that until they actually start some shit. I love the America haters pretending like we're just going to go fuck up Iran without provocation or something. It's so silly.

Well a major war is the only way the can hope to avoid a pounding in the next election.

The backslash against Trump would be massive if he tried that. 20,000 Americans are projected to die in the first months of the war, in that same time frame we are expected to lose an entire carrier group.

The protests this thing would cause would make Vietnam protests look like a fucking picnic

[Aclion]

Well a major war is the only way the can hope to avoid a pounding in the next election.

The backslash against Trump would be massive if he tried that. 20,000 Americans are projected to die in the first months of the war, in that same time frame we are expected to lose an entire carrier group.

The protests this thing would cause would make Vietnam protests look like a fucking picnic

No I mean a major war is the only way the democrats can avoid a pounding.

[Nakena]

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Thats a nice collection of dated anti-imperialist arguments from the 2000s. Truly a rarity those days.

I hope you didn had to undust it just because Iran is in Team Russia.

And no, I am not a fan or supporter of interventionism and especially not our greatest ally. ;)

[Thermodolia]

The backslash against Trump would be massive if he tried that. 20,000 Americans are projected to die in the first months of the war, in that same time frame we are expected to lose an entire carrier group.

The protests this thing would cause would make Vietnam protests look like a fucking picnic

No I mean a major war is the only way the democrats can avoid a pounding.

Um no. The democrats aren’t really going to get pounded if 2018 is anything to go by

[The Montana Enclave]

Iran does a lot of shit, but Saudi Arabia does the exact same thing in spades. Theocratic states run mostly by extremists who believe America is the greatest threat to their exact version of Islam, and who fund terrorist groups around the world.

The 2 greatest US allies in the Middle East.
1. Israel, the only true democracy in the Middle East
2. Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is a different Islam than Iran (I forgot whether it was sunni or shia and don't want to offend the muslims almos certain to weigh in) And we used to get a lot of our oil from them until Trump came along.

1. Fuck Israel, one minor reason being is for being a democracy
2. Saudi Arabia is straight up Wahhabi Sunni, funding Salafi jihadist groups such as Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (Al Qaeda in Syria, formerly al-Nusra) and (formerly) the Islamic State (Possibly still are, just keeping it under wraps). Better off not having any of SA's blood oil.

[Zhivotnoye]

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Thats a nice collection of dated anti-imperialist arguments from the 2000s. Truly a rarity those days.

I hope you didn had to undust it just because Iran is in Team Russia.

And no, I am not a fan or supporter of interventionism and especially not our greatest ally.

Maybe it's time to look into a mirror then, as after all, hypocrisy is by far the most pathetic self-lie that exists to date.

[Badb Catha]

The Iranian people are largely disapproving of their government and have always been. Those who overthrew Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi were a weak minority then and still are a weak minority to this day. I believe pressing the Iranian people into action will be much more effective and much less destabilizing for the country - Iranians know their country and government better, and with foreign backing can easily overthrow their unloved government. They may very well be able to do so legally and without violence, which is ultimately the preferred outcome and certainly not something an invading army can accomplish. If they succeed they may very well be able to return to the prosperous times they enjoyed under the reign of the Pahlavi Dynasty or perhaps even greater.

I truely wonder where you get this nonsense from.

I don't get it from anywhere; nothing I said was untrue.

[Nakena]

I truely wonder where you get this nonsense from.

I don't get it from anywhere; nothing I said was untrue.

I think he mistakes us for neocons.

[Badb Catha]

I don't get it from anywhere; nothing I said was untrue.

I think he mistakes us for neocons.

I assume because we do not condemn the Pahlavi Dynasty as unrepentantly evil? I cannot abide by such an untruth.

[Sidesh0w B0b]

The Dalai Lama: If somebody is shooting at you, it makes sense to shoot back
Le ebin western "pacifists": Umm sweetie I follow buddha's teachings and if the Iranians want to blow you up with nuclear bombs you should just let them , read the bible

There are other ways to stop Iran from gaining nuclear weapons than killing 20,000 Americans and wiping out an entire fleet

You got that right. Hopefully there's still some sane supervision down at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

[Scomagia]

And we aren't at war. See how simple that is? They threaten, we threaten, and it goes on like that until they actually start some shit. I love the America haters pretending like we're just going to go fuck up Iran without provocation or something. It's so silly.

To be fair, America’s done that before.

And?

[Scomagia]

If they attack us like they've been threatening, that seems like reason enough.

They’ve threatened us for the last 30+ years. They aren’t going to do shit. It’s a move to keep themselves in power because the idea is that they can focus anger at a foreign target instead of themselves

And if they don't do shit, no war. Simple.

[Scomagia]

The backslash against Trump would be massive if he tried that. 20,000 Americans are projected to die in the first months of the war, in that same time frame we are expected to lose an entire carrier group.

The protests this thing would cause would make Vietnam protests look like a fucking picnic

No I mean a major war is the only way the democrats can avoid a pounding.

It's nonsense either way.

[Kowani]

To be fair, America’s done that before.

And?

It’s not entirely unreasonable to believe that America may possibly intervene even if unprovoked.

[Zhivotnoye]

I truely wonder where you get this nonsense from.

I don't get it from anywhere; nothing I said was untrue.

*source: dude trust me*